Rumour GFC 2023 Player Trading, Drafting FA, Rumours and Wish lists Pt II

[cats_09]

Yep, this is making an appearance here also, and probably getting more useful as the season draws to a close and this discussion ramps up

 

[Pure_Ownage]

There’s no benefit to us in having him walk to the ND for free.

The club might see that differently.
If they dont rate the mid range of this draft (and i suspect they dont) then giving up a pick (25) that they think will bust and letting him go to the draft is at worst a nil all draw. They also might think that by holding out port will get desperate and offer more.

The other point is they may well think that if he has to go through the draft he will back out and sign (and then go wherever as FA next year). Remember hawks probably want to play him fwd which will ruin him and NM are so bad if he goes there he might end up the way of polec in 2 years (i think sav is good but hes the kind of player that needs a good side around him). He obviously doesnt prefer to stay but he might decide to do it if thats the alternative.
I doubt the club is averse to keeping him for 12 months (we will be light on for depth if he goes now) and then he goes for band 1 or 2 compo in a better draft next year (when we will have more need for picks than we do this year).

Ultimately a deal probably gets done but i also wont be surprised if port doesnt up the offer that mackie is prepared to let him go to the draft. Unfortunately not all draft pools are equal and this one isnt.

 

[dazbroncos]

Except that we've continually been regenerating our list over the past decade, and that hitting the trade table isn't the only means of doing just that.

Besides, not bringing in 3 or 4 players via trade isn't a sign of sitting on our hands. There's been noise all year around players of interest, approaches that have been made it - if a player decides to stay at their current club or prefers a team other than Geelong, so be it but that doesn't mean we're sitting on our hands

Then there's consideration of the players freely available - just because someone is looking for a new home doesn't mean they're the best fit for the club, so bringing them in as a means of being seen to do something isn't necessarily the smartest option

And while we may lack the top end draft picks that North has, we will still have sufficient picks to cover the open spots on the list - and as we've seen over the years, those later picks tend to go pretty well for us

And look at the absolute shit show of mismanagement and near merger they have gone tru to get it.
Id take 4 Flags in 12 years after the 44 year drought and as it appears to be, gearing up for another tilt in 24 than having been basically irrelevant for 2 decades and abhorrently poor in the last 5 years just so I can have 5 x Rd1 picks in 2023 draft.

Ill take CS's 71% winning record since 2011 over the 5 Rd picks.

And its not like we are in pick wilderness. OH, Bowes, Pick7(Clark) , and Bruhn all arrived last year. Plus in getting all of that, we still kept our RD 1 this year.

Id say, while yes its nice to have threads saying "Welcome to Geelong player X" id much rather them be quality based and not so quanity based or there for the **** of it... and with 1 or 2 exceptions this year our needs wouldn't be met by any of them.

GO Catters

 

[Sire of Claude]

With only picks 8 and 81 we should and I believe will take anything we can get for Sav.

 

[BORIS332]

The club might see that differently.
If they dont rate the mid range of this draft (and i suspect they dont) then giving up a pick (25) that they think will bust and letting him go to the draft is at worst a nil all draw. They also might think that by holding out port will get desperate and offer more.

The other point is they may well think that if he has to go through the draft he will back out and sign (and then go wherever as FA next year). Remember hawks probably want to play him fwd which will ruin him and NM are so bad if he goes there he might end up the way of polec in 2 years (i think sav is good but hes the kind of player that needs a good side around him). He obviously doesnt prefer to stay but he might decide to do it if thats the alternative.
I doubt the club is averse to keeping him for 12 months (we will be light on for depth if he goes now) and then he goes for band 1 or 2 compo in a better draft next year (when we will have more need for picks than we do this year).

Ultimately a deal probably gets done but i also wont be surprised if port doesnt up the offer that mackie is prepared to let him go to the draft. Unfortunately not all draft pools are equal and this one isnt.

I suspect there is a pretty wide gap between our $$ offer and Port’s. If that’s the case, I can’t imagine he’d be very happy if he was stuck at GFC in 2024.

 

[year of the cat]

With only picks 8 and 81 we should and I believe will take anything we can get for Sav.

We won’t take “anything” and nor we should. Pick 25 will form the major part of the deal with some additional sweetener. That’s reasonable compo for him. Gets us back into the middle part of the draft where hopefully we can pick up a good kid.

 

[moond0g]

The club might see that differently.
If they dont rate the mid range of this draft (and i suspect they dont) then giving up a pick (25) that they think will bust and letting him go to the draft is at worst a nil all draw. They also might think that by holding out port will get desperate and offer more.

The other point is they may well think that if he has to go through the draft he will back out and sign (and then go wherever as FA next year). Remember hawks probably want to play him fwd which will ruin him and NM are so bad if he goes there he might end up the way of polec in 2 years (i think sav is good but hes the kind of player that needs a good side around him). He obviously doesnt prefer to stay but he might decide to do it if thats the alternative.
I doubt the club is averse to keeping him for 12 months (we will be light on for depth if he goes now) and then he goes for band 1 or 2 compo in a better draft next year (when we will have more need for picks than we do this year).

Ultimately a deal probably gets done but i also wont be surprised if port doesnt up the offer that mackie is prepared to let him go to the draft. Unfortunately not all draft pools are equal and this one isnt.

There’s no way he stays. People say this, but how many instances of this actually happening are there?

 

[cats_09]

And look at the absolute s**t show of mismanagement and near merger they have gone tru to get it.
Id take 4 Flags in 12 years after the 44 year drought and as it appears to be, gearing up for another tilt in 24 than having been basically irrelevant for 2 decades and abhorrently poor in the last 5 years just so I can have 5 x Rd1 picks in 2023 draft.

Ill take CS's 71% winning record since 2011 over the 5 Rd picks.

And its not like we are in pick wilderness. OH, Bowes, Pick7(Clark) , and Bruhn all arrived last year. Plus in getting all of that, we still kept our RD 1 this year.

Id say, while yes its nice to have threads saying "Welcome to Geelong player X" id much rather them be quality based and not so quanity based or there for the * of it... and with 1 or 2 exceptions this year our needs wouldn't be met by any of them.

GO Catters

The other thing that's seems too be often overlooked in terms of personnel changes/additions for next season is those that come from within the club and already on our list:

• Jhye Clark, 1 game this past season
• Toby Conway, 1 game
• Cam Guthrie, 6 games
• Jack Henry, 11 games

Then add in another year of development and pre-season for Dempsey, Knevitt and maybe even a refreshed Parfitt

Suddenly we're looking at a number of players already on our list who didn't play a significant role in 2023, but have the chance to do so in 2024

 

[Pure_Ownage]

I suspect there is a pretty wide gap between our $$ offer and Port’s. If that’s the case, I can’t imagine he’d be very happy if he was stuck at GFC in 2024.

I dont think he would be happy but i dont think any of it affects the case from the club's side.
(I assume probably have say 3 x500 on table atm and port have offered 5 x 700 or similar).
But the reality is if he stays on a 1 year deal (at say 4-500k he probably still gets a 5 x 700 offer next year (particularly when hes FA and the other club doesnt have to give a pick) when you look at the dearth of kpds and deals guys like doedee and mckay are getting. His manager probably just doesnt want him to risk it in case he gets injured or has a major form drop and clubs pull out (although doedee got injured and still got his deal). But for our club it has to be of benefit to us we cant just trade him out of charity.

 

[Pure_Ownage]

With only picks 8 and 81 we should and I believe will take anything we can get for Sav.

Its been said about a million times but there will be like 55 picks in the draft max. If we didnt trade sav or he went to the draft we would still have say 8 53 54 and 55 and it sounds like the club doesnt see much difference in the pool between say pick 25 and 53 this year.

 

[Pure_Ownage]

There’s no way he stays. People say this, but how many instances of this actually happening are there?

In a normal case yes but this year is different.
The afl has distorted the market by giving north endless compo picks so their p17 and 18 arent worth much to them and there is a lack of kpd around (look at them listing someone like pink) so i cant imagine in a draft with poor depth that he gets past them at 18.
Would sav stay to avoid that? (and go to port in 12 months when hes UFA). I probably would but only he knows what he would do.

 

[gogeelongcats]

The club might see that differently.
If they dont rate the mid range of this draft (and i suspect they dont) then giving up a pick (25) that they think will bust and letting him go to the draft is at worst a nil all draw. They also might think that by holding out port will get desperate and offer more.

The other point is they may well think that if he has to go through the draft he will back out and sign (and then go wherever as FA next year). Remember hawks probably want to play him fwd which will ruin him and NM are so bad if he goes there he might end up the way of polec in 2 years (i think sav is good but hes the kind of player that needs a good side around him). He obviously doesnt prefer to stay but he might decide to do it if thats the alternative.
I doubt the club is averse to keeping him for 12 months (we will be light on for depth if he goes now) and then he goes for band 1 or 2 compo in a better draft next year (when we will have more need for picks than we do this year).

Ultimateleelong walk y a deal probably gets done but i also wont be surprised if port doesnt up the offer that mackie is prepared to let him go to the draft. Unfortunately not all draft pools are equal and this one isnt.

Geelong walk to their own beat. They only want a fair deal on how they see his value which is much more than most posters. The coach has always said that he wanted so he may fight to keep him or get what he is worth.

 

[Bevoman]

The club might see that differently.
If they dont rate the mid range of this draft (and i suspect they dont) then giving up a pick (25) that they think will bust and letting him go to the draft is at worst a nil all draw. They also might think that by holding out port will get desperate and offer more.

The other point is they may well think that if he has to go through the draft he will back out and sign (and then go wherever as FA next year). Remember hawks probably want to play him fwd which will ruin him and NM are so bad if he goes there he might end up the way of polec in 2 years (i think sav is good but hes the kind of player that needs a good side around him). He obviously doesnt prefer to stay but he might decide to do it if thats the alternative.
I doubt the club is averse to keeping him for 12 months (we will be light on for depth if he goes now) and then he goes for band 1 or 2 compo in a better draft next year (when we will have more need for picks than we do this year).

Ultimately a deal probably gets done but i also wont be surprised if port doesnt up the offer that mackie is prepared to let him go to the draft. Unfortunately not all draft pools are equal and this one isnt.

Sav has already lost money by not being traded last year (and playing for Geelong this year).
If his request is refused a second time, there is no way he stays at Geelong next year.
Where he will be traded or he will walk.

To counter the Hawks in the PSD, Port will avoid the pre-season and will try to select him in the main draft.
Where the danger to Port is North's plethora of teens picks; albeit North are still trying to trade up to Pick One.

With their annual handouts to North, the AFL is creating a super team that already has more players selected first round than any other club. And, may still end with this year's Pick One and Reid.

So, if Geelong ignores Port’s offer that most pundits consider fair, it takes the risk of contributing to the next super team.

 

[Shadow89]

Sav has already lost money by not being traded last year (and playing for Geelong this year).
If his request is refused a second time, there is no way he stays at Geelong next year.
Where he will be traded or he will walk.

To counter the Hawks in the PSD, Port will avoid the pre-season and will try to select him in the main draft.
Where the danger to Port is North's plethora of teens picks; albeit North are still trying to trade up to Pick One.

With their annual handouts to North, the AFL is creating a super team that already has more players selected first round than any other club. And, may still end with this year's Pick One and Reid.

So, if Geelong ignores Port’s offer that most pundits consider fair, it takes the risk of contributing to the next super team.

Both David King and Leigh Montagna seem to have a different view:

‘Desperate’ Port urged to ‘pay up’ as rival sits in box seat for better deal

‘Desperate’ Port urged to ‘pay up’ as rival sits in box seat for better deal

www.foxsports.com.au

'Get the deal done': David King urges Port Adelaide to do everything to secure Esava Ratugolea

Geelong is playing hardball with Ratugolea, rejecting an offer of pick 24 from Port Adelaide - and instead showing interest in the Power's Ollie…

www.theroar.com.au

 

[STPer18]

Both David King and Leigh Montagna seem to have a different view:

‘Desperate’ Port urged to ‘pay up’ as rival sits in box seat for better deal

‘Desperate’ Port urged to ‘pay up’ as rival sits in box seat for better deal

www.foxsports.com.au

'Get the deal done': David King urges Port Adelaide to do everything to secure Esava Ratugolea

Geelong is playing hardball with Ratugolea, rejecting an offer of pick 24 from Port Adelaide - and instead showing interest in the Power's Ollie…

www.theroar.com.au

“On Geelong’s side (they are arguing) ‘you’re offering around six years, $700,000 mark for a player who has got untapped potential in your eyes. Pay up if you want to get him off our hands’.”

I knew Hawthorn were splashing the cash but are Port going that hard too? Key defenders really are at an all-time premium.

 

[Mattlock]

Sav has already lost money by not being traded last year (and playing for Geelong this year).
If his request is refused a second time, there is no way he stays at Geelong next year.
Where he will be traded or he will walk.

To counter the Hawks in the PSD, Port will avoid the pre-season and will try to select him in the main draft.
Where the danger to Port is North's plethora of teens picks; albeit North are still trying to trade up to Pick One.

With their annual handouts to North, the AFL is creating a super team that already has more players selected first round than any other club. And, may still end with this year's Pick One and Reid.

So, if Geelong ignores Port’s offer that most pundits consider fair, it takes the risk of contributing to the next super team.

Haha fair?

When we get offered more and accept that, then all will be fair.

Go cats go.

 

[Hamingja]

The academy gravy train keeps rolling

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I would be interested in a good recruiters opinion, say Wells, about the most crucial years in a footballers development.

Like you look at that side and obviously the academy players stick out but the other thing that I would say is that Victoria and Western Australia are way under represented compared to history.

The thing that I would say to that is those were the two states that had the draconian lockdowns through COVID.

So would missing their u15/u16 year due to COVID be way worse than missing their u18 year through COVID like the previous couple of drafts? Is there still a lag effect from COVID or is the talent drain going to be a permanent issue moving forward.

 

[Pure_Ownage]

Sav has already lost money by not being traded last year (and playing for Geelong this year).
If his request is refused a second time, there is no way he stays at Geelong next year.
Where he will be traded or he will walk.

To counter the Hawks in the PSD, Port will avoid the pre-season and will try to select him in the main draft.
Where the danger to Port is North's plethora of teens picks; albeit North are still trying to trade up to Pick One.

With their annual handouts to North, the AFL is creating a super team that already has more players selected first round than any other club. And, may still end with this year's Pick One and Reid.

So, if Geelong ignores Port’s offer that most pundits consider fair, it takes the risk of contributing to the next super team.

I dont broadly disagree but geelong might not be bothered if he goes to NM. If geel thinks we are a contender (i dont think we are but the club might) they might think north wont play finals even with sav next year whereas port will, so they might not be willing to send him to a contender unless port pay more. Im not sure why port didnt trade their fr1 for sav and we send picks back, they could have used those for sweet and bzt and got everything done by now. Its almost like they assumed once the fr1 was gone that we would just take 25. Now they dont have their deals done and they will probably have to use 25 to try and get him in the draft anyway.

For me this has parallels with when we locked our r1 last year so coll couldnt get it for henry. Once that happened the deal probably was dead until hawthorn decided they wanted to ship mitchell out and liked one of our fringe guys (stephens). Whether a 3rd club comes in and saves this deal im not sure but i think theres a chance he ends up in the draft if that doesnt happen.

I doubt geelong hates port but p25 has less value in this draft pool than most drafts unfortunately which may be why mackie has taken the stance he has. The fact that we have no other deals to do this year that we need the sav pick for also influences it.

Whether sav chooses the risk of north (highly likely) or geel if no deal is done only he knows.

 

[tielgaz]

The other thing that's seems too be often overlooked in terms of personnel changes/additions for next season is those that come from within the club and already on our list:

• Jhye Clark, 1 game this past season
• Toby Conway, 1 game
• Cam Guthrie, 6 games
• Jack Henry, 11 games

Then add in another year of development and pre-season for Dempsey, Knevitt and maybe even a refreshed Parfitt

Suddenly we're looking at a number of players already on our list who didn't play a significant role in 2023, but have the chance to do so in 2024

And then add another year to an aging list……

 

[CatRiot]

The other thing that's seems too be often overlooked in terms of personnel changes/additions for next season is those that come from within the club and already on our list:

• Jhye Clark, 1 game this past season
• Toby Conway, 1 game
• Cam Guthrie, 6 games
• Jack Henry, 11 games

Then add in another year of development and pre-season for Dempsey, Knevitt and maybe even a refreshed Parfitt

Suddenly we're looking at a number of players already on our list who didn't play a significant role in 2023, but have the chance to do so in 2024

And then add another year to an aging list……

Plus we lost probably our best outside midfielder of the past 3 years in Isaac Smith.

 

[CatRiot]

Hang on, what does Port's 41 pick come into on the night after all those Suns picks get compressed? Down to 35 or something?

You'd probably get Haste at that pick... a few pundits have him going anywhere after pick 25, but most likely after 35...

Maybe we can squeeze 25+41 for Esava + 87

 

[year of the cat]

Hang on, what does Port's 41 pick come into on the night after all those Suns picks get compressed? Down to 35 or something?

You'd probably get Haste at that pick... a few pundits have him going anywhere after pick 25, but most likely after 35...

Maybe we can squeeze 25+41 for Esava + 87

Could be wrong but if we want Hastie it will need to be with 25.

 

[Pure_Ownage]

I knew Hawthorn were splashing the cash but are Port going that hard too? Key defenders really are at an all-time premium.

Thats band 2 money and close to band 1 (if he was a UFA which he would have been next year).

 

[Pure_Ownage]

Hang on, what does Port's 41 pick come into on the night after all those Suns picks get compressed? Down to 35 or something?

You'd probably get Haste at that pick... a few pundits have him going anywhere after pick 25, but most likely after 35...

Maybe we can squeeze 25+41 for Esava + 87

We potentially could be 87 will end up in the 50s anyway so getting it to 41 isnt much of an upgrade.

 

[Chinacats]

And then add another year to an aging list……

Yes Cornesy said it the other day. Hawkins, Touhy, Paddy, Guthrie, Duncan, blics, Cameron, Stewart…..etc all 30+ at the beginning of 2024 AFL year. Doubt all of that lot will be injury free and will likely dip in form….

 

[cats_09]

Plus we lost probably our best outside midfielder of the past 3 years in Isaac Smith.

I think you spelt Cam Guthrie wrong