Rumour GFC 2025 Player Trading, Drafting FA, Rumours and Wish lists Pt 2

[Turbocat]

No, it doesn't - but that said, I'm a strong believer that Free Agency compo is allocated very wrongly, in that it massively disadvantages clubs who have the pick directly after the FA loser team. If, for example, West Coast gets p2 for Oscar Allen, then the major loser out of that is Richmond - a club that wasn't even involved in the trade.

I think FA compo is necessary to stop teams from being 'stuck' at the bottom for years and years, but it's done so badly atm.

I am not convinced on it. It distorts the intent to the point clubs use it to ramp up their draft hand. Bottom clubs are less likely to match simply because they get the early pick ..whether they need the player or not.

 

[iameviljez]

Every now and then we hear stories of players that have been pressured to go but its not clear or out in the open. But I would suspect if one looked they have been given big go or spend a lot of time on your min contract in the vfl type ultimatums.

That's a bit different to trading without consent, though. For a start, it allows the player the option to stay, plus leverage in who they choose to go to.

The closest I can think of is Adam Treloar - but, IIRC, Collingwood tried to push him out to the Gold Coast on the assumption that he wanted to move with his partner to Queensland (!!!). They pushed him out as hard as they could, but at the end, it was only at the last minute that he agreed to a move to the Dogs, on something a lot closer to his terms.

 

[iameviljez]

I am not convinced on it. It distorts the intent to the point clubs use it to ramp up their draft hand. Bottom clubs are less likely to match simply because they get the early pick ..whether they need the player or not.

Completely agree with you on that bit.

IMO, Free Agency compo should come directly from the buying club draft hand, into the selling club draft hand, so it's a zero-sum game for everyone else, or at least a lot closer to a zero-sum. So, for Tom de Koning, for example, the AFL could use the points system to decree that St Kilda gives over its first round pick, and there's this or that pick slide to make up any difference.

 

[patience]

What would people hand over in a trade to get RoMa in right now?

I wish live trading were a thing... just for this very occasion.

A Kingdom.

 

[Turbocat]

That's a bit different to trading without consent, though. For a start, it allows the player the option to stay, plus leverage in who they choose to go to.

The closest I can think of is Adam Treloar - but, IIRC, Collingwood tried to push him out to the Gold Coast on the assumption that he wanted to move with his partner to Queensland (!!!). They pushed him out as hard as they could, but at the end, it was only at the last minute that he agreed to a move to the Dogs, on something a lot closer to his terms.

Maybe but that a fine distinction

The trouble is we need to hear players talk years later to find out the truth ..Treloar one brings in anotehr consideration that of sal dump.

Just scratching my grey cells trying to think of example in the post draft era …obviously thats why recently its almost a player pick now as most times a player just sits fat . Probably since FA player power has exploded...

but two trades in our history I would think might have involved strongly compelled movement … but its only supposition.

I think both involved sal dumps at their clubs of some sort. We got Finn in the Burns trade and he never played a game. i dont think we wanted him but we had to take him. In the 92 trade … Pickering, Steele and Tudor for P123 ..? Did all three players want to go.Maybe they did buts its unusual.

 

[iameviljez]

Maybe but that a fine distinction

Absolutely, it is a fine distinction, but it's an important one. Treloar could have stayed, so he did hold leverage which pushed Collingwood to eat the shit sandwich, as it were - so Treloar got to stay in Melbourne and, effectively, pick his club.

 

[dangerwood]

Marshall is a better player than Ryan.

Look, I’m not going to argue about this - I’ve already posted enough on your Board.

You guys want Marshall. Which means you rate him.
He is contracted for another 2 years and has already been paid a large part of those 2 years. So would have a very desirable deal. A deal that also suits us and he is a desired player.

Even Geelong fanatic Cleary is saying it’s going to take more than you have. Let’s see what happens. We already said no to Marshall next year when he asked to leave.

I'd love Marshall on our list tonight! I wonder what Geelong supporters would be willing to trade if we could bring him in today.

I'm not sure what we have to offer outside our first pick. Can we pay half TDKs salary?

 

[iameviljez]

I think both involved sal dumps at their clubs of some sort. We got Finn in the Burns trade and he never played a game. i dont think we wanted him but we had to take him.

Lochlan Veale is the one that really does come to mind when you say that

 

[cats_09]

I'd love Marshall on our list tonight! I wonder what Geelong supporters would be willing to trade if we could bring him in today.

I'm not sure what we have to offer outside our first pick. Can we pay half TDKs salary?

Nothing more than I'd offer come October

 

[DanA]

I'd love Marshall on our list tonight! I wonder what Geelong supporters would be willing to trade if we could bring him in today.

I'm not sure what we have to offer outside our first pick. Can we pay half TDKs salary?

There's not a lot of examples of 1st team quality ruck men moving in a trade. The best I can think of are

• Luke Jackson: Went for roughly 2300 points
• Brodie Grundy (Melb): Went for 703 points
• Brodie Grundy (Syd) Went for roughly 520 points

I think you can say Grundy is an equivalent value player on the field but on a much worse contract and maybe a bit of an attitude discount. I also think it's reasonable to say Luke Jackson with his potential is far more valuable. He was 21, a former no.3 pick, a premiership player, and firmly in the 22 under 22 team.

Based on the above, I think Marshall is worth somewhere between 900 and 1500 points with my best guess being 1250 points. I'm guessing if St Kilda come to the trade table they'd argue for more like 1400 points.

Option 1:

• Geelong: 1st + 2nd
• St Kilda: 4th

Option 2:

• Geelong 1st + future 2nd

Both these options fall around that 1250 point mark. Two Geelong 1st picks is likely worth around 1800 points depending how we finish which I think is too high. And of course, irrespective of what Geelong/Marshall want, St Kilda have to want to consider a trade for it to be a chance of happening.

 

[Gee Class Loco]

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is off to Freo on a 2 year deal in 2026.

 

[Gee Class Loco]

There's not a lot of examples of 1st team quality ruck men moving in a trade. The best I can think of are

• Luke Jackson: Went for roughly 2300 points
• Brodie Grundy (Melb): Went for 703 points
• Brodie Grundy (Syd) Went for roughly 520 points

I think you can say Grundy is an equivalent value player on the field but on a much worse contract and maybe a bit of an attitude discount. I also think it's reasonable to say Luke Jackson with his potential is far more valuable. He was 21, a former no.3 pick, a premiership player, and firmly in the 22 under 22 team.

Based on the above, I think Marshall is worth somewhere between 900 and 1500 points with my best guess being 1250 points. I'm guessing if St Kilda come to the trade table they'd argue for more like 1400 points.

Option 1:

• Geelong: 1st + 2nd
• St Kilda: 4th

Option 2:

• Geelong 1st + future 2nd

Both these options fall around that 1250 point mark. Two Geelong 1st picks is likely worth around 1800 points depending how we finish which I think is too high. And of course, irrespective of what Geelong/Marshall want, St Kilda have to want to consider a trade for it to be a chance of happening.

Giving up this years 1st rounder for a 30yo ruckman?? Yeah nah.
Nah that handcuff's us going forward when we have bigger and better fish to fry in '26 and '27.
Been told we are happy to talk but handcuff's wont be part of it.
In saying that i'm hearing the club are more than happy with the 3 ruckman we have on our list (Chilli, Mitch and Molier) and how they are all tracking.
The club is in a precarious position
Danger Stewart Jezza are in the last quality years of their careers. More so Stewart & Danger.
Do you go all in and give up good draft capital on a year, maybe 2?
Or you play it smart and back in your drafting, list management and internal coaching to get the same result?
Interesting month ahead.

 

[cats_09]

There's not a lot of examples of 1st team quality ruck men moving in a trade. The best I can think of are

• Luke Jackson: Went for roughly 2300 points
• Brodie Grundy (Melb): Went for 703 points
• Brodie Grundy (Syd) Went for roughly 520 points

I think you can say Grundy is an equivalent value player on the field but on a much worse contract and maybe a bit of an attitude discount. I also think it's reasonable to say Luke Jackson with his potential is far more valuable. He was 21, a former no.3 pick, a premiership player, and firmly in the 22 under 22 team.

Based on the above, I think Marshall is worth somewhere between 900 and 1500 points with my best guess being 1250 points. I'm guessing if St Kilda come to the trade table they'd argue for more like 1400 points.

Option 1:

• Geelong: 1st + 2nd
• St Kilda: 4th

Option 2:

• Geelong 1st + future 2nd

Both these options fall around that 1250 point mark. Two Geelong 1st picks is likely worth around 1800 points depending how we finish which I think is too high. And of course, irrespective of what Geelong/Marshall want, St Kilda have to want to consider a trade for it to be a chance of happening.

I wouldn't be including a second round pick in any capacity for Marshall

I get that we'll likely need to use our first in a trade for Marshall, but if say Merrett was interested in a move down the highway then I'd ensure that first round pick is headed to Essendon instead

In terms of any additional picks, I'd look more at a future 3rd with either a 2025 3rd or 4th coming back - we've got 2 x NGA players in this years draft with Mellor a potential to have a bid placed on him, so I'd be happy to try saving our 2nd & 3rd round picks for this years draft for that type of situation

 

[FootyLad0]

I can’t imagine any team rejecting a first round pick in favor of keeping a VFL listed ruck…

That is just stupid

Consider the team and list manager involved...

 

[Footy Smarts]

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intention might change things in terms of what we're willing to give up for Marshall.

The future 1st becomes much less valuable to us if it'll just encourage Port to force a trade for Butters rather than accept the compo.

 

[foxdog50]

Jed Bews is off to Freo on a 2 year deal in 2026.

You 100% on this

 

[OzeSparky]

Jed Bews is off to Freo on a 2 year deal in 2026.

Good on Jed if this is true.

 

[CatTricks]

Zac Dawson

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is nominating for the draft in the event to get to STK

 

[Gee Class Loco]

You 100% on this

90% his Mrs is happy... as she's from WA.

 

[Lana]

I’m 90% sure it’s a bust. Would be gladly surprised if he turns it around.

Best way to think of him now is as if he is a cat B rookie from another country that needs to be built up from scratch

There's not a lot of examples of 1st team quality ruck men moving in a trade. The best I can think of are

• Luke Jackson: Went for roughly 2300 points
• Brodie Grundy (Melb): Went for 703 points
• Brodie Grundy (Syd) Went for roughly 520 points

I think you can say Grundy is an equivalent value player on the field but on a much worse contract and maybe a bit of an attitude discount. I also think it's reasonable to say Luke Jackson with his potential is far more valuable. He was 21, a former no.3 pick, a premiership player, and firmly in the 22 under 22 team.

Based on the above, I think Marshall is worth somewhere between 900 and 1500 points with my best guess being 1250 points. I'm guessing if St Kilda come to the trade table they'd argue for more like 1400 points.

Option 1:

• Geelong: 1st + 2nd
• St Kilda: 4th

Option 2:

• Geelong 1st + future 2nd

Both these options fall around that 1250 point mark. Two Geelong 1st picks is likely worth around 1800 points depending how we finish which I think is too high. And of course, irrespective of what Geelong/Marshall want, St Kilda have to want to consider a trade for it to be a chance of happening.

The player valuation fluctuates very quickly and can't be generalised, it is more governed by the resources avaible to the clubs and their relative bargening positions than any concept of fair value.

 

[Pure_Ownage]

Jed Bews is off to Freo on a 2 year deal in 2026.

They actually need a small defender. Good for him will wish him well but time for us to move on.

 

[Pure_Ownage]

Giving up this years 1st rounder for a 30yo ruckman?? Yeah nah.
Nah that handcuff's us going forward when we have bigger and better fish to fry in '26 and '27.
Been told we are happy to talk but handcuff's wont be part of it.
In saying that i'm hearing the club are more than happy with the 3 ruckman we have on our list (Chilli, Mitch and Molier) and how they are all tracking.
The club is in a precarious position
Danger Stewart Jezza are in the last quality years of their careers. More so Stewart & Danger.
Do you go all in and give up good draft capital on a year, maybe 2?
Or you play it smart and back in your drafting, list management and internal coaching to get the same result?
Interesting month ahead.

Chilli is cooked and Mitch and molier are miles off afl ready. We will trade for a ruck unless we are stupid and Marshall will cost r1.

 

[Kobe Gryant]

Giving up this years 1st rounder for a 30yo ruckman?? Yeah nah.
Nah that handcuff's us going forward when we have bigger and better fish to fry in '26 and '27.
Been told we are happy to talk but handcuff's wont be part of it.
In saying that i'm hearing the club are more than happy with the 3 ruckman we have on our list (Chilli, Mitch and Molier) and how they are all tracking.
The club is in a precarious position
Danger Stewart Jezza are in the last quality years of their careers. More so Stewart & Danger.
Do you go all in and give up good draft capital on a year, maybe 2?
Or you play it smart and back in your drafting, list management and internal coaching to get the same result?
Interesting month ahead.

One of those names is close to having his foot amputated. The next is a 6'8 20yo who is 85kgs soaking wet, while the last is a 19yo key forward.

Not exactly inspiring confidence there, and with no Rowell, Cadman, or Reid, the mysterious unamed big fish is doing a hell of a lot of lifting.

It's Butters or bust. You'd want to be really confident of getting him, or we're hanging out for nothing.

 

[D BRIDGE]

Giving up this years 1st rounder for a 30yo ruckman?? Yeah nah.
Nah that handcuff's us going forward when we have bigger and better fish to fry in '26 and '27.
Been told we are happy to talk but handcuff's wont be part of it.

If Mackie can get Marshall the same way we got Ollie Henry, it'll be statue time.

 

[Pure_Ownage]

If Mackie can get Marshall the same way we got Ollie Henry, it'll be statue time.

We traded pick 25 for Henry and our r1 wont be far off 25 this year anyway.