Gibbs requests trade to Adelaide

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deaneus

Ten four. Nothing has happened overnight.

 

[Croweater23]

Okay miscreants we're nearing 5,000 posts. Let's recap:

Things that actually happened this week:
Justin Reid said Bryce Gibbs has requesed a trade to us
http://www.news.com.au/sport/afl/br...a/news-story/e5a69588b610bcc20ac0f366aacbb9ad

Things that are speculative:
Everything else

Since this thread started last Monday at noon, it is growing at the rate of ~5000 posts / 6 days = 833 posts a day, or 33.3 pages a day.

I can't be assed reading that much.

So i suggest we implement a buddy system.

No, we don't all say we're moving to Western Sydney, move to Sydney at the last minute, crash a car, <injunction> and claim mental health issues*.

Instead, when something actually happens - God forbid - we each tag two other posters, to let everyone know. Then we can go about our lives like normal peop... oh right, we're not normal. Carry on.





* may actually be true, what would i know? It's for comedic effect.

Poor

 

[Crowbots are dead]

I agree with that assessment. I don't mind keeping 13 and Lyons. Gibbs isn't a big upgrade on Lyons, just marginally better and significantly older.

No. Significantly better. I wonder if some posters have never watched Gibbs play. Would easily be second best player after Sloane

 

[Crowbots are dead]

On trade radio this week, when they talked to the GWS guy on how the marchbank trade was going he said that they were waiting for Carlton who were busy with the Gibbs trade first. Kinda doesn't sit well with the rucci story now does it!

 

[Stiffy_18]

Well it really depends on who you define as an A grader.

Collingwood - Pendlebury, Treloar, Sidebottom (and Swan if we're counting A grade midfield lists heading into the 2016 season).
GC - Ablett, Prestia, O'Meara
Hawthorn - Mitchell, Hodge, Lewis

Like I think you could argue a few of these guys aren't genuine A graders, O'Meara probably hasn't shown enough for long enough and Lewis is on the decline but they are or have been A grade talent. You've then got teams that either have a couple of top 10-15 midfielders (Geelong for example) or those with a number of high B+ grade ones like Freo who have Mundy/Barlow/Bennell (who is A grade talent imo) behind Fyfe and Neale.

Seems like a number of the above have missed out on a fair chunk of footy this season due to injuries.

Well if you include JOM then you truly are clutching at straws. If he is an A grader then so is Brad Crouch. They might have the A grade talent but they certainly have to reached the A grade status.

The Hawks trio you mentioned are on their last legs. Other than Lewis who will probably end up at Melbourne Mitchell has one year left at West Coast and Hodge one at Hawthorn.

In terms of Freo, if you are including Barlow then you might as well include Thompson for us. They are both coocked. Freo have one genuine A grader in Fyfe who just might be the best player in the comp. Mundy is on his last legs and Neale is not exactly an A grader. Bennell has the A grade talent but let's wait and see on that one.

Again from the top 8 sides who were clearly better than the bottom 10 sides this year, only Sydney and GWS have 3 or more genuine A graders in their midfield. The rest have 1 or 2 and a deep and even midfield with some very good players in there that are not A graders.

We have 1 A grader in Sloane, Gibbs at his best can be one, and a bunch of players on the list who have a genuine A grade talent but are yet to reach that status. This at least 3 A graders talk is funny. Just a couple of weeks ago Bickley was saying Gibbs is a B grader but now that we are trying to get him he is an A grader. Our captain is just trying to be controversial

 

[beartoo]

Seems like a pretty attractive offer imo.
Werent there rumours brisbane were into CEY before? I know he is contracted but he might be tempted given he would have so much opportunity up there, whereas that door is very much closing here.

CEY has said he wants to remain with the Crows and that he expects to be playing seniors next year. He is contracted, so can't be forced to move.

 

[spexau]

On trade radio this week, when they talked to the GWS guy on how the marchbank trade was going he said that they were waiting for Carlton who were busy with the Gibbs trade first. Kinda doesn't sit well with the rucci story now does it!

Not at all surprising is it haha

 

[TheRoo32]

I'm very confident we have pick 13 alone on the table. It is up to Carlton now to take it or leave it.

Confident they will take it.

 

[Tex Danger]

CEY has said he wants to remain with the Crows and that he expects to be playing seniors next year. He is contracted, so can't be forced to move.

If we were to add Rocky as an in to Gibbs (already known target when CEY made that statement) then this may change his views as he would definitely be 1 peg further back, especially if Lyons also ends up staying.

IMO opinion at this point the club has said to players like CEY that they have the inside running over THommo if they take their chance, which is why he is backing himself in to stay. But if Rocky was an unanticipated in based on the time of that decision I could see the club and him having an open discussion

 

[Crowked]

No. Significantly better. I wonder if some posters have never watched Gibbs play. Would easily be second best player after Sloane

Agree to disagree.

IMO Gibbs has been one of the most under achieving #1 picks ever. Hasn't ever reached the potential everyone thought he had and wont now. I've seen him play plenty. Not even the Carlton coaches rate him that highly going on his career B&F ratings. He might be our second best mid if he comes, but that shows just how shallow our midfield depth is. IMO Brad Crouch will be better and Matt might be too. Neither have hit their ceiling. Gibbs has. Lyons isn't a star and never will be, but he's honest and performs pretty well consistently. He's behind Gibbs no doubt, but IMO not that far off.

 

[adelaidecrows]

Very quiet on the rumour front this weekend.

 

[1970crow]

Our alleged offering structure doesn't make sense. I believe that it is commonly accepted that our current offer is 13 alone. However, why would we start with a better offer of 13+Lyons and then downgrade it? This would be against all bidding strategies which are to start low and increase. Something must be wrong somewhere in these reports.

The issue is that we've got nothing else at the moment. If we were offering up whatever we'd get for Lyons then we'd have given him 2 days to sign the contract we've tabled and his exit from the club would be common knowledge. But we're obviously still negotiating to some extent. This leaves whatever we'd get for contracted players who want out or maybe Dear. It's hard to know what we might be getting in to add to 13 and our 3rd would presumably be off the table unless we have no interest in young Jarman.

 

[dogs105]

deaneus - very quiet on the rumour front this weekend.

 

[Tex200]

Agree to disagree.

IMO Gibbs has been one of the most under achieving #1 picks ever. Hasn't ever reached the potential everyone thought he had and wont now. I've seen him play plenty. Not even the Carlton coaches rate him that highly going on his career B&F ratings. He might be our second best mid if he comes, but that shows just how shallow our midfield depth is. IMO Brad Crouch will be better and Matt might be too. Neither have hit their ceiling. Gibbs has. Lyons isn't a star and never will be, but he's honest and performs pretty well consistently. He's behind Gibbs no doubt, but IMO not that far off.

Not sure how you can argue that his B&F results are no good. He's been there 10 years and finished top 5 in 7 of those years. Outstanding record I would have thought.

In terms of outside awards it is a little harder playing in a consistently poor side. It's generally the case that the better, winning, sides supply most of the AA and get most Brownlow votes.

That's not to say he hasn't struggled with consistency - he has. But I think that's improving and I think, after being messed around earlier in his career with his role, we are now seeing him in his most natural position at the coalface.

Lets make no mistake about this, when he's on he's a beast, you only have to look at his game v Geelong this year when he took DangerWood to the cleaners. He also almost single handedly dragged Carlton over the line v Sydney with an epic midfield display. By that I'm talking contested poss, clearances, tackles - tough inside play.

On his day he's one of the best, our challenge will be working to ensure that happens more often

 

[Pugsley]

It's ok, be happy

I am.

 

[1970crow]

Just to lighten the mood up b4 a hectic week .......but is this synonymous with Carlton / Adelaide trade discussions??

Poor little bird, Dog could let her catch him a couple of times.

 

[GreyCrow]

200 pages. Wowee.

North Melbourne will never catch this forum!

 

[Paladin]

Agree to disagree.

IMO Gibbs has been one of the most under achieving #1 picks ever. Hasn't ever reached the potential everyone thought he had and wont now. I've seen him play plenty. Not even the Carlton coaches rate him that highly going on his career B&F ratings. He might be our second best mid if he comes, but that shows just how shallow our midfield depth is. IMO Brad Crouch will be better and Matt might be too. Neither have hit their ceiling. Gibbs has. Lyons isn't a star and never will be, but he's honest and performs pretty well consistently. He's behind Gibbs no doubt, but IMO not that far off.

Wow uninformed opinion. How can you look at his b&f results and say he hasn't been rated. Fantastic and consistent record. In his prime and will be a star for us.

 

[Crowked]

Not sure how you can argue that his B&F results are no good. He's been there 10 years and finished top 5 in 7 of those years. Outstanding record I would have thought.

Lack of competition for top 5 results.

He was a number 1 pick. Touted A grader playing for a pretty poor team over his journey. Frankly a true A grader in that team would have 4-5 B&F's in that team.

 

[1970crow]

The suggestions of those players + #13 is simply media driven .......Trade radio is a lot of air time to talk about trades that aren't happening ....so they dig up scenarios to get caller feedback to fill air-time

Nothing in it

Not neccessarily. If Carlton are expecting overs because of his contract status, then they might just be reporting what they're demanding at the moment. It could be there opening position and there's an assumption that they're happy to keep him.

 

[Crowked]

Wow uninformed opinion. How can you look at his b&f results and say he hasn't been rated. Fantastic and consistent record. In his prime and will be a star for us.

Because its different to yours? The air must be thin up there.

 

[relapse]

I'm at a stage where I've stopped caring whether it happens or not.

Obviously there's pressure on SOS to be the next Adrian Dodoro. Some of the trade suggestions for Gibbs are as laughable as when Adrian Dodoro was asking for Wingard, Wines etc to be included in the Ryder trade.

As a supporter I am more than happy if Adelaide walks away. I agree that pick 13 is a little low, but if we can find a 2nd rounder to package with 13 and Carlton still refuse that then I'd walk away.

 

[Paladin]

Lack of competition for top 5 results.

He was a number 1 pick. Touted A grader playing for a pretty poor team over his journey. Frankly a true A grader in that team would have 4-5 B&F's in that team.

Judd, Murphy, Simpson yep no competition

 

[Paladin]

I'm at a stage where I've stopped caring whether it happens or not.

Obviously there's pressure on SOS to be the next Adrian Dodoro. Some of the trade suggestions for Gibbs are as laughable as when Adrian Dodoro was asking for Wingard, Wines etc to be included in the Ryder trade.

As a supporter I am more than happy if Adelaide walks away. I agree that pick 13 is a little low, but if we can find a 2nd rounder to package with 13 and Carlton still refuse that then I'd walk away.

For all we know SOS has agreed to 13 dependant on his GWS fetish trades.

 

[Tex200]

Lack of competition for top 5 results.

He was a number 1 pick. Touted A grader playing for a pretty poor team over his journey. Frankly a true A grader in that team would have 4-5 B&F's in that team.

Chis Judd x 3, Murphy, Cripps???

Come on....have a different opinion sure, but lets not twist facts