GOAT list

[I bleed Blue]

Not much love for Jonathon Brown for Brisbane?

Not much love for Jason Akermanis either.

He is a Brownlow medal winner. 4 time all-australian, he won there 2004 leading goal kicker.

If it wasn't for the stuff he is also remembered for off-field, and the circumstances how he left the club, I think he could very well be Brissys greatest ever.

 

[doug85]

This is only for the time that I've been watching.

ADELAIDE: Ricciuto
BRISBANE: Voss (Black unlucky)
CARLTON: Williams (Sticks unlucky)
COLLINGWOOD: Buckley
ESSENDON: Hird
FREMANTLE: Pavlich
GEELONG: Ablett Snr
HAWTHORN: Dunstall
MELBOURNE: Lyon
NORTH MELBOURNE: Carey
PORT ADELAIDE: Tredrea
RICHMOND: Richo
ST KILDA: Harvey
SYDNEY: Lockett
WEST COAST: Cousins or Cox
WESTERN BULLDOGS: Johnson

 

[GOAT LOVER]

When I first saw this thread, i got all warm and fuzzy as I thought someone started a thread for me..........

 

[TubbsFarquhar]

My 2 cents worth.

Adelaide: Ricciuto
Brisbane: Voss
Carlton: Silvagni
Collingwood: Coventry
Essendon: Reynolds
Fitzroy: Bunton
Fremantle: Pavlich
Geelong: Ablett
Gold Coast: Ablett Jnr.
Hawthorn: Matthews
Melbourne: Barassi
North Melbourne: Carey
Port Adelaide: Tredrea
Richmond: Hart
St Kilda: Lockett
Sydney: Skilton
West Coast: Cousins
Western Bulldogs: Whitten

 

[Donakebab]

Re Judd do you think he will be remembered as a Carlton player?

He'll be one of the rare few remembered equally for both clubs imo.

 

[Vdubs]

This is only for the time that I've been watching.

ADELAIDE: Ricciuto
BRISBANE: Voss (Black unlucky)
CARLTON: Williams (Sticks unlucky)
COLLINGWOOD: Buckley
ESSENDON: Hird
FREMANTLE: Pavlich
GEELONG: Ablett Jnr
HAWTHORN: Dunstall
MELBOURNE: Lyon
NORTH MELBOURNE: Carey
PORT ADELAIDE: Tredrea
RICHMOND: Richo
ST KILDA: Harvey
SYDNEY: Lockett
WEST COAST: Cousins or Cox
WESTERN BULLDOGS: Johnson

Did you mean junior? If you never saw senior, you could hardly recall Dunstall??

 

[MadMaxx]

Seems that Matthews, Whitten, Skilton, Carey are the only "universal" goat picks (with a few exceptions including those based on time viewed).

Interesting.

For reference, here are the AFL Legends:

12 initial "Legends" inducted 1996:
Ron Barassi
Haydn Bunton Senior
Roy Cazaly
John Coleman
Jack Dyer
Polly Farmer
Leigh Matthews
John Nicholls
Bob Pratt
Dick Reynolds
Bob Skilton
Ted Whitten

Ian Stewart (1997)
Gordon Coventry (1998)
Peter Hudson (1999)
Kevin Bartlett (2000)
Barrie Robran (2001)
Bill Hutchison (2003)
Jock McHale (2005)
Darrel Baldock (2006)
Norm Smith (2007)
Alex Jesaulenko (2008)
Kevin Murray (2010)

We can excuse the list somewhat, as it seems you need to be old to get included. Matthews was the last to play in 1985, and KB the only other from the 80's (Perhaps Jezza?).

 

[Air_Chester]

I hate hate hate the "GOAT" acronym. I know it's unfortunately unavoidable, but still.

Might choose some tomorrow but the couple of things I wished to chime on were:

- Cousins the best Eagle. By a stretch, in my mind.

- Ted Whitten the best Bulldog. Doug Hawkins second.

- Lockett a good case for both St.Kilda and Sydney. I'd rank him as St.Kilda's for sure, and even though Goodes and Skilton gave longer great service to South/Sydney, Lockett had the social impact and public interest that helped the club off-field just as much as he did on-field. In fact, yeah, I'd put him for both teams.

 

[Cerpin Taxt]

I'll agree that Cousins was the best Eagle. We all know the story, but gee he'd be up for some higher honours if things hadn't derailed. Almost two full seasons out of the game, and then two at the Tigers. If he could've played out those four years at the Eagles he'd be spoken of in the same breath as Voss, Buckley, Hird, and Riccuito,

Judd's peak was obviously the highest, but I think he's probably fallen two seasons short in being allowed that title.

Matera was purely magical, but went through patches of inconsistency within and between seasons. He's my #2.

Jakovich was never the same after the knee reconstruction. He played out his career as an above average player, but not a whole lot more.

For those mentioning Kemp; it's worth acknowledging, but then I'd think Guy McKenna would also come into reckoning.

If Cox can play on with 2011 form for a couple for years, he'll be right up there. I think 2012 will be his last AA type year though.

 

[demonfan9]

Lockett a good case for both St.Kilda and Sydney. I'd rank him as St.Kilda's for sure, and even though Goodes and Skilton gave longer great service to South/Sydney, Lockett had the social impact and public interest that helped the club off-field just as much as he did on-field. In fact, yeah, I'd put him for both teams.

I'd say Lockett would be the closest anyone has ever got to topping the list at both clubs. You could not argue his selection as St Kilda's #1 (though they've had some legends as well). But reckon he would just fall short for Sydney/South Melbourne, purely because he only played 5 full seasons. While his impact was tremendous, he didn't have the longevity of other legendary Swans like Pratt and Skilton.

Is there anyone else in history who would come as close as Plugger?

Perhaps Judd at the end of his career will be considered top of Carlton's, but he probably won't have the longevity at West Coast to match Cousins or Jakovich.

 

[LeverPuller]

Adelaide: Ricciuto (Mcleod)
Brisbane: Voss (Black)
Carlton: Williams (Judd, Bradley)
Collingwood: Coventry (Buckley)
Essendon: Coleman (Hird)
Fitzroy: Bunton (Roos)
Geelong: Ablett Snr
Gold Coast: Ablett Jnr
Hawthorn: Dunstall
Melbourne: Flower (Barassi)
North Melbourne: Carey
Port Adelaide: Tredrea
Richmond: Dyer
St Kilda: Lockett
Sydney/South: Skilton (Lockett)
West Coast: Cousins (Judd)
Western Bulldogs/Footscray: Whitten

 

[doug85]

Did you mean junior? If you never saw senior, you could hardly recall Dunstall??

I recall Dunstall and Ablett Snr.

I've reassessed my view based on the fact that jnr only played 9 seasons for the cats, of which 4 were outstanding as opposed to about 10 from snr.

 

[Smokeyr67]

Just for an example, how many of you watched Coventry play, or are you just plucking names from your clacker?

 

[doug85]

Just for an example, how many of you watched Coventry play, or are you just plucking names from your clacker?

I used to watch the Coventry brothers play every week.

 

[damochandler]

what about barker for st kilda.

matthews was hawthorns best no doubt
you could've picked a few for essendon

 

[who_let_the_dogs_out]

From 1980 onwards:

Adelaide: Mark Ricciuto
Brisbane: Michael Voss / Jason Akermanis
Carlton: Greg Williams
Collingwood: Nathan Buckley/Peter Daicos
Essendon: James Hird / Matthew Lloyd - Had his haters, but at his best he was unstoppable
Geelong: Gary Ablett Snr
Hawthorn: Lance Franklin / Jason Dunstall
Melbourne: Jim Stynes / Robert Flower
North Melbourne: Wayne Carey
Port Adelaide: Warren Tredrea - Was always underrated
Richmond: Matthew Richardson
St Kilda: Tony Lockett/Harvey
Sydney: Paul Kelly / Adam Godes
West Coast: Pater Matera
Western Bulldogs/Footscray: Doug Hawkins / Chris Grant

 

[a dude]

lol @ craig bradley

 

[prattsta]

Simple weight of numbers would sway me on Cousins over Judd for WC. 12 seasons versus 6 seasons. That has to count for something...

 

[doug85]

Simple weight of numbers would sway me on Cousins over Judd for WC. 12 seasons versus 6 seasons. That has to count for something...

This is the argument that swayed my opinion on Ablett Jnr V Snr for Geelongs greatest player.

 

[calyam]

I'd say Lockett would be the closest anyone has ever got to topping the list at both clubs. You could not argue his selection as St Kilda's #1 (though they've had some legends as well). But reckon he would just fall short for Sydney/South Melbourne, purely because he only played 5 full seasons. While his impact was tremendous, he didn't have the longevity of other legendary Swans like Pratt and Skilton.

Is there anyone else in history who would come as close as Plugger?

Perhaps Judd at the end of his career will be considered top of Carlton's, but he probably won't have the longevity at West Coast to match Cousins or Jakovich.

Very few players have played enough with two teams to be considered. The first one that came to mind would be Bernie Quinlan with Fitzroy and Footscray - obviously a terrific player - although I'm not old enough to know whether he was regarded in the absolute elite during his time.

 

[wcesam]

GWS: Tom Scully

 

[walhawk]

Adelaide : Ricciutto
Brisbane : Voss
Carlton : Doull
Collingwood : B.Rose
Essendon : Coleman
Fitzroy : Bunton
Footscray : Whitten
Fremantle : Pavlich
Geelong : Ablett snr
Gold Coast : Ablett jr
GWS : NA
Hawthorn : Matthews
Melbourne : La Fontaine
North Melbourne : Carey
Port Adelaide : Tredrea
Richmond : Hart
St. Kilda : Baldock
Sydney (incl south) : Skilton
WCE : Cousins

Nailed.

 

[Taper]

Adelaide - Mark Ricciuto

Mark Ricciuto

Age

50

Ht

184cm

Wt

92kg

Pos.

Fwd

Career

Season

Last 5

D

21.1

5star

K

12.8

5star

HB

8.3

5star

M

4.4

4star

T

1.7

4star

G

0.9

4star

No current season stats available

D

16.2

4star

K

9.6

4star

HB

6.6

4star

M

2.8

3star

T

2.0

4star

G

0.2

3star

Brisbane - Michael Voss
Carlton - John Nicholls
Collingwood - Gordon Coventry
Essendon - Dick Reynolds
Fitzroy - Haydn Bunton
Fremantle - Matthew Pavlich

Matthew Pavlich

Age

43

Ht

192cm

Wt

99kg

Pos.

Fwd

Career

Season

Last 5

D

17.5

4star

K

11.3

4star

HB

6.3

4star

M

5.6

5star

T

2.6

4star

G

2.3

5star

No current season stats available

D

16.8

4star

K

12.8

5star

HB

4.0

3star

M

8.8

5star

T

1.2

3star

G

3.4

5star

Geelong - Graham Farmer
Gold Coast - Gary Ablett Jr
Greater Western Sydney - Toby Greene

4

Toby Greene

Age

32

Ht

182cm

Wt

85kg

Pos.

Fwd

Career

Season

Last 5

D

22.7

5star

K

12.5

5star

HB

10.2

5star

M

4.8

5star

T

3.0

5star

G

1.2

4star

D

17.5

4star

K

9.5

4star

HB

8.0

4star

M

4.8

4star

T

1.0

2star

G

2.3

5star

D

26.6

5star

K

12.4

5star

HB

14.2

5star

M

4.8

5star

T

3.6

5star

G

0.0

1star

Hawthorn - Leigh Matthews
Melbourne - Ron Barassi
North Melbourne - Wayne Carey
Port Adelaide - Warren Tredrea

Warren Tredrea

Age

46

Ht

194cm

Wt

96kg

Pos.

Fwd

Career

Season

Last 5

D

14.3

4star

K

10.1

4star

HB

4.2

3star

M

6.9

5star

T

1.4

3star

G

2.2

5star

No current season stats available

D

5.4

2star

K

2.8

1star

HB

2.6

3star

M

1.2

2star

T

0.6

3star

G

1.0

4star

Richmond - Jack Dyer
St Kilda - Tony Lockett

Tony Lockett

Age

59

Ht

191cm

Wt

108kg

Pos.

Fwd

Career

Season

Last 5

D

10.2

3star

K

8.4

3star

HB

1.8

2star

M

6.3

5star

T

0.5

3star

G

4.8

5star

No current season stats available

D

8.2

2star

K

5.6

3star

HB

2.6

3star

M

4.0

4star

T

0.0

1star

G

1.4

5star

Sydney - Bob Skilton
West Coast - Ben Cousins
Western Bulldogs - Ted Whitten