god help us

[magpie_joffa]

When i go to bed tonight i will say a simple prayer and it will go along the lines as this,

God help the refugees
and the working class
and the poor
and the needy, and our sick
and the unfortunate

God help us all.

We had our chance and we blew it, we had a chance to install a caring government to govern for all classes of people and not just the rich...we blew it and let me give you all a tip, an uncaring society is like cancer it will get worse before it gets better.

What have we all become ?

god help us.

 

[CJ]

 

[Fred]

I presume the "we" you refer to is the minority "we".

The majority "we" see things differently. That's democracy.

 

[nit-picker]

joffa should be used to the losin feelin.

we probably means all the losers......... magpie supporters

 

[Chilli Afterglow]

Originally posted by magpie_joffa

<snip>
We had our chance and we blew it, we had a chance to install a caring government to govern for all classes of people and not just the rich

<snip>

Do you really think that Labor would care for all classes? I personally don't think so!

I think they would have perpetuated their eat the rich line in favour of the little working class battler. It is just that their idea of rich is misguided. When Labor think "rich", they are not just referring to your average Toorak/Brighton type elite. Their idea of rich also happens to include the bulk of middle Australia as well.

Take the previous election for example. Labor's offering to ease the tax plight was to screw the rich and cut some slack to the poor. By there scheme, someone on $35,000 per year would get the best breaks while someone on $70,000 would get basically nothing.

Thing is that middle Australia are either the ones on $70,000 pa or the ones who are aspiring to get to that point. The majority of people who have come out of University and are working professionally would fit into this group.

Middle Australia does cover a significant portion of the Australian population but is one group that Labor has failed to win over, mainly because it has been lumped in with the rich with Beazley's thoughless mantra.

Ironic really, that by his own definition, Beazely is rich and the very embodiement of what he is arguing against. Do you think if he was PM that he would downgrade his salary to $35,000? Methinks not!

 

[Frodo]

Originally posted by magpie_joffa
When i go to bed tonight i will say a simple prayer and it will go along the lines as this,

God help the refugees [who should apply to migrate to Australia like everone else]
and the working class [ who may have to get a job or do a fair days work for a fair days pay, unlike what the ACTU stands for]
and the poor [define poor. Like in India maybe...we haven't got any poor]
and the needy, and our sick [needy and greedy. More has been spent on health by Liberals than ever by Labour]
and the unfortunate[ ie YOU. Such irrationality, blind faith and closed ears is rarely seen]

God help me. I lost. But then again I'm a Pies supporter. I'm used to it.

We had our chance and we took it, we had a chance to ikeep a caring government to govern for all classes of people and not just the rich...we took it and let me give you all a tip, a socialist society is like cancer it will get worse and worse and worse until like USSR it breaks free of the curse. Rich become poor and the poor poorer. The nation crumbles as ideology becomes more important than food or life.

What have we all become ? Rational Humans who voted for the best party. The party who has made Australia strong and not the party of Lies, poll-pushing, negativity and hate.

god help me. Without hate what am I?

 

[mantis]

Re: Re: god help us

Originally posted by Chilli Afterglow

Take the previous election for example. Labor's offering to ease the tax plight was to screw the rich and cut some slack to the poor. By there scheme, someone on $35,000 per year would get the best breaks while someone on $70,000 would get basically nothing.

Thing is that middle Australia are either the ones on $70,000 pa or the ones who are aspiring to get to that point. The majority of people who have come out of University and are working professionally would fit into this group.

Oh yes by all means, let's look after those poor bastards on $70,000 a year, screw the poor buggers on $25,00 to $35,000 a year, after all they are only the meaningless workers, who didn't have the opportunities to go to Private Schools & Universities, someones got to serve these "middleAustralians" their meals in Restaurants, wash their dishes & clean their toilets, so why not make them pay even more so the "middle classes" can dine out more, buy better cars & build holiday homes.

 

[Chilli Afterglow]

You know what Mantis, even middle Australia get a vote too. And this vote is possibly more crucial than either the upper or working classes.

Why?

Your Doctor living in Brighton will always be likely to vote Liberal while your Factory Worker in Altona will always vote Labor, regardless of how much each of the parties **** up.

However it is the folk in the middle who are the ones most likely to swing and the ones most likely to force the change of government.

If Beazley didn't know this - which apparently he doesn't - then he really is way out of touch and not deserving to be PM.

Oh, and consider the 70 / 35 K scenario even further with the Labor's tax scheme in the 98 election.

Who would be better off:

A childless couple each earning $35K pa or a 3 child family on a single income of $70K pa. (This was highlighted to me at the time by a friend who fit into this scenario)

The math on this scenario is pretty easy - the rich is actually poorer than the poor.

 

[Dippers Donuts]

The simple fact is the govt. won because they pandered to the inherent bigotry (and borderline racism) in the Australian populace.

Why did the west produce such a swing to the coalition? Simple, all those pommy migrants who live there (frodo?); realise they have never had it so good, like the sunshine and the fresh air and think "good heavens - these boat people are right on our doorstep! We don't want these type of people in our country!"

Where did the collapsed one nation vote go? Thats right, to the coalition; because the coalitions policy on immigration/boat people is identical to paulines. Hey they thought, the coalition are like one nation now, we can vote for them again.

Embarassing Australia, embarassing.

 

[Frodo]

The other thing about hard core Labour supporters........bloody bad losers.....sooky, sooky.

But at least there are female Labour voters that have intelligence and wouldn't post the rubbish shown above, so all is not yet lost for Labour

 

[JUBJUB]

FRODO
Its LABOR not LABOUR

 

[Dippers Donuts]

Originally posted by JUBJUB
FRODO
Its LABOR not LABOUR

But that's the way the english spell it

 

[JUBJUB]

Originally posted by Dippers Donuts


But that's the way the english spell it

This isn't England

 

[Frodo]

Originally posted by Dippers Donuts
The simple fact is the govt. won because they 'pandered to the inherent bigotry (and borderline racism) in the Australian populace.

Why did the west produce such a swing to the coalition? Simple, all those pommy migrants who live there. We don't want these type of people in our country!"

One supposes that a person who mentions 'pommy migrants' and also says that Liberals won due to them 'pandering to the inherent bigotry (and borderline racism) in the Australian populace' must clearly by their own words have voted Liberal

Oh the tangled web we weave

 

[Dippers Donuts]

Originally posted by JUBJUB


This isn't England

quick! better tell frodo

 

[Dippers Donuts]

Originally posted by Frodo


One supposes that a person who mentions 'pommy migrants' and also says that Liberals won due to them 'pandering to the inherent bigotry (and borderline racism) in the Australian populace' must clearly by their own words have voted Liberal

Oh the tangled web we weave

Che?

I think you are tripping over your tongue there pal.

Not yet used to the west aussie sunshine perhaps...?

 

[Chilli Afterglow]

Please correct me if I am wrong, but did I once read that Frodo was part Aboriginal?

And Dipper, Frodo was merely pointing out that you were both lambasting the Liberal voting public for being borderline racists while in the same breath slagging of the the English migrants.

English migrants tend to be of the Anglo-Saxon race and your comments in singling them out entirely on this basis is nothing else but racist.

Methinks you are too smart for your own good!

 

[dees01]

I was waiting to see what Joffa had to say. I remember this time last year and in the early parts of this year he was bragging how the Coalition were going to be years in the opposition. Well how sweet it is to say once again that YOU ARE WRONG.
Actually I must Joffa you were quite reserved about the result whick I acknowledge.

 

[Frodo]

Originally posted by JUBJUB
FRODO
Its LABOR not LABOUR

Dear Jubjub and my racist friend Dipper.

The Oxford concise dictionary spells it Labour.

The American dictionary spells it Labor.

The Australian main dictionary, Macquarie,

has the following listing for Labor :-

You have searched for labor.

Sorry, no results were returned for your search. Please try again (don't forget to check your spelling).

try http://www.macquariedictionary.com.au/

If our socialist party had followed an American one it would be called the Democrats. In fact it followed and was aligned with the British Labour party. The decision by some radical to mis-spell a common word need not be repeated by others here in Australia. If we truly want a knowledge nation a good start would be to spell your own name properly!


ps I am an Australian citizen and have as many rights as the next Australian despite the racist bigotry in this thread.

 

[London Dave]

Spelling spelling spelling..
I recall asking a english prof about this many years ago, (might have been when the ALP changed the spelling) He said it didnt matter which spelling you used, as long as you were CONSISTENT with it.
Makes sense to moi!

 

[Frodo]

Originally posted by London Dave
Spelling spelling spelling..
I recall asking a english prof about this many years ago, (might have been when the ALP changed the spelling) He said it didnt matter which spelling you used, as long as you were CONSISTENT with it.
Makes sense to moi!

Fair enough Landon Dive, okay if I spell your name that way CONSISTANTLY ?

 

[Darky]

Originally posted by Chilli Afterglow
Your Doctor living in Brighton will always be likely to vote Liberal while your Factory Worker in Altona will always vote Labor, regardless of how much each of the parties **** up.

Not this western suburbs factory worker!

Having had many bad experiences with unions in my blue-collar jobs, I will never vote for a political party that supports these same unions (PTWU, NUW, CFMEU), and has unions carry out advertising on their behalf.

 

[London Dave]

serached for consistently
http://www.dictionary.com/cgi-bin/dict.pl?term=consistently

http://www.macnet.mq.edu.au:8008/anonymous164576999+1/-/macsummarize

searched for consistantly
http://www.dictionary.com/cgi-bin/dict.pl?term=consistantly

http://www.macnet.mq.edu.au:8008/anonymous148537797+1/-/macsummarize

your turn, Frodo!!!!

 

[Shinboners]

Re: Re: Re: god help us

Originally posted by mantis


Oh yes by all means, let's look after those poor bastards on $70,000 a year, screw the poor buggers on $25,00 to $35,000 a year, after all they are only the meaningless workers, who didn't have the opportunities to go to Private Schools & Universities, someones got to serve these "middleAustralians" their meals in Restaurants, wash their dishes & clean their toilets, so why not make them pay even more so the "middle classes" can dine out more, buy better cars & build holiday homes.

Um.....just like those middle class families with BOTH parents working so they can send their kids to private schools....y'know, private schools that employ teachers.....and not forgetting those cars which need to be made in Australian factories (oh yeah, there are workers there) and build holiday homes (yep, more employment there too). You can't have it both ways....first by supporting S11 and jobs going "overseas" and then in the next breath, slag of middle class Australia who do the spending that results in jobs for other Australians.

Any fair country depends on a large and vibrant middle class. The Australian middle class is shrinking. If we had it your way, we'd have everyone being equally poor. But at least by helping to create the opportunities to help people become "middle class", then maybe we'd have the chance to create the egalatarian society that we all crave.

$70,000 (2 parents on $35,000 each) doesn't go far if you've got a mortgage, a car to run, and kids to feed and send to school.

Oh, and as someone else has said, everyone gets a vote, and who can blame them if they vote for their own interests. I thought that was the essence of democracy.

 

[Frodo]

Originally posted by London Dave
serached for consistently
http://www.dictionary.com/cgi-bin/dict.pl?term=consistently

http://www.macnet.mq.edu.au:8008/anonymous164576999+1/-/macsummarize

searched for consistantly
http://www.dictionary.com/cgi-bin/dict.pl?term=consistantly

http://www.macnet.mq.edu.au:8008/anonymous148537797+1/-/macsummarize

your turn, Frodo!!!!

I'm making your point Dive, as long as I keep spelling it that way it's okay isn't it ?
as long as you were CONSISTENT with ityou said....and I am being consistant