Not as contentious as you make out... Grigg's going to be a star.
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How does a player like Joel Selwood go number 6 in a draft?
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Not as contentious as you make out... Grigg's going to be a star.
people on Bigfooty didn't rate selwood in the top couple because they had no 2006 form to go on. The majority of mock drafts a created on the back of the u18 champs games that are televised, players that dont play them generally drop down the order. Boak also missed the kardinia park game and was largely snubed in mocks. I have no doubt that Joel slipped to 7 because of the reports on his knee, the various club doctors were reportedly divided on his ability to play a full career and maintain a training load. If he gets to 23 and has to rely on cortisone injections to get through half a training session a week then the doctors who erred will be justified.
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But Geelong will be justified in their selection if Sellwood continues in the same form until he is 23 or 24.
Geelong would have scored a win !
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It appears that since 2004, the true number 1 of the draft has been taken in the 5 to 7 mark in every draft.
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DarwinRoo
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When his body fills out he will be. I dont know where you got that from.
DarwinRoo
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Its not like Hansen was some bloke we plucked out of the SANFL that no one had heard about. We picked the best available KP Defender in the draft.
Good luck for Geelong for picking Selwood but I don't regret picking Hansen for a second.
You are full of it.
He is a good player, don't get me wrong but I could slot into the Geelong midfield, get the 4th worst opposition midfielder and look pretty good as 3 players try and tackle Ablett.
Stick him in say Melbourne and I think he would be a very good player but wouldn't be half the player he is now.
It is the West Coast factor... See Kerr, Fletcher, Embley when Cousins and Judd were there. Made 2 successive grand finals. See Eagles without those two... second last.
Such ignorance.
I dont think you can really say leuenberger 'slipped', but yeah i get your point.
We stopped a long time before we picked jimmy sellar and apparently it was Grigg we were interested in, so i have always followed him a bit and he doesnt really appear anything special. Hes obviously better than Hislop but hasnt shown any more than riewoldt and given his position probably never will.
The thing about those players is they make up for their lack of athleticsm/kicking skills by being consistant ball magnets. If Selwood can average in the high 20s in posessions whilst being heavilly tagged, year in, year out, then yeah, he'll be elite.
He is certainly up there isn't he. You could sit and marvel at his genius the entire game. I have to laugh when I see BF polls rating him below Hird & Voss et al. No disrespect to those great players, but Diesel was on another level.
TheGreatBarryB
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I can't remember exactly but at the time of the draft I remember them mentioning something about his knees that made some clubs think he may have problems in a few years.
His knees look ok to me. An absolute gun player. The way he put his body on the line in the GF when Hodge was coming the other way was brilliant stuff.
Having said that I don't clubs made that big a mistake. The other players taken above him were all highly rated. The top 4 was pretty well picked by everyone.
What's irritates me is that was the first year where they changed the priority pick rule for teams winning less than 5 games having the first couple of picks in the draft.
Carlton would have picked Gibbs and Leuenberger at 1 & 3 and we would have picked Gumbleton and Selwood at 2 & 4. Think Sheeds even mentioned it at the time. Oh well.....
His knees look ok to me. An absolute gun player. The way he put his body on the line in the GF when Hodge was coming the other way was brilliant stuff.
Having said that I don't clubs made that big a mistake. The other players taken above him were all highly rated. The top 4 was pretty well picked by everyone.
What's irritates me is that was the first year where they changed the priority pick rule for teams winning less than 5 games having the first couple of picks in the draft.
Carlton would have picked Gibbs and Leuenberger at 1 & 3 and we would have picked Gumbleton and Selwood at 2 & 4. Think Sheeds even mentioned it at the time. Oh well.....
That must be why we hear so much about him, hey?
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hmmm, where to start. I know this is getting off topic but this deserves a response.
Twice rejected by Carlton.
Two seasons at Geelong, B&F in the second.
Went to Sydney, spoon fed Gerard Healey a number of B&Fs and a Brownlow, won his own Brownlow.
Went to Carlton another Brownlow, Norm Smith, named in the AFL team of the century and the Victorian team of the century.
Carey, Ablett, Williams the best I've seen then next rung down Dunstall, Locket, Voss, Hird etc etc.
I've said on BF a few times, players these days get 30+ touches and you don't notice them, Williams got 30+ and the team he was playing generally got smashed. If he never got injured or suspended he'd have won the Brownlow nearly every year he played, he was that damn good.
When the Swans were rolling in the mid to late 80s and kicking 30 goals week after week it was him pumping it out to the runners from out of nowhere off the bottom of packs.
We don't hear about him because he wasn't spectacular and doesn't break the law off the field.
When the Swans were on the tv every other Sunday and I was on the couch nursing a hangover I'd sit there with pen and paper taking his stats. They'd go for the halftime break and I'd add them up, he'd regularly have 20-25 by the half. And no cheapies either. Amazing.
by the end of this season Joel Selwood will be the best player in the competition.
LennyLeonard
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How old are you?
I have just looked up some stats on the "Diesel"
Here are his top 10 games since 87 (couldn't find stats from 84 - 86)
You could probably fit another 5 from the 84 - 86 period
- 53 disps (25 kicks 28 hballs), 5 marks and 6 goals in Rd 19 50-pt win over St Kilda at the SCG (13 Aug 1989)
- 45 disps (18 kicks 27 hballs), 9 marks and 2 goals in Rd 5 45-pt win over St Kilda at Waverley Park (25 Apr 1993)
- 43 disps (22 kicks 21 hballs), 4 tackles and 2 goals in Rd 1 5-pt win over Carlton at Princes Park (31 Mar 1990)
- 42 disps (25 kicks 17 hballs), 3 marks and a goal in Rd 9 1-pt loss to Essendon at Waverley Park (21 May 1994)
- 39 disps (14 kicks 25 hballs), 7 marks, 4 tackles and 4 goals in Rd 20 63-pt win over Fitzroy at the SCG (14 Aug 1988)
- 38 disps (18 kicks 20 hballs), 7 marks and 4 goals in Rd 2 108-pt win over the Western Bulldogs at the SCG (5 Apr 1987)
- 37 disps (22 kicks 15 hballs), 6 marks and 5 goals in Rd 8 77-pt win over Fitzroy at Princes Park (11 May 1991)
- 36 disps (19 kicks 17 hballs), 11 marks, 4 tackles and 4 goals in Rd 10 90-pt loss to Essendon at the SCG (3 Jun 1990)
- 35 disps (25 kicks 10 hballs), 6 marks and 4 goals in Rd 2 62-pt loss to the Western Bulldogs at the SCG (8 Apr 1990)
- 31 Disposals, 5 goals in the 1995 grand final v Geelong
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Everyone is gonna pick the big guy first, obviously Gibbs was standout regardless.
I was under the impression Geelong would have gone Boak had Port not anyway, being a local boy as well...
My only querry with Selwood and a reason why I would be unhappy about Port not picking him would be if he was already built pre-draft? Or did that just come quickly like all the other Geelong players in recent years?
As a player, that the Power would need, I'd say Selwood, we have enough of the silky skilled players IMHO.
I was under the impression Geelong would have gone Boak had Port not anyway, being a local boy as well...
My only querry with Selwood and a reason why I would be unhappy about Port not picking him would be if he was already built pre-draft? Or did that just come quickly like all the other Geelong players in recent years?
As a player, that the Power would need, I'd say Selwood, we have enough of the silky skilled players IMHO.
Hey thats exactly what I used to do, except the hangover was long gone replaced by numerous empty long necks.
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I wanted Essendon to pick up Boak or Selwood, I really rated Selwood.
You can rip him but Boak was rated highly at the cats (Mick Turner coached him) and they were going to pick him if he was available. Selwood was rated very highly early in the year but as the doubts about his knees (recovery etc) were around the less people looked at him. Bit Like Juddy Two shoulder recos and he dropped to #3. Still the standout in that draft which includes Bartel, Hodge, Ball etc. (Jnr excluded as he was F/S)
The same way buddy fell to no 5. It's a bit of a lottery.
I think you've mistaken Leuenberger for the overrated Cameron Wood.
Trading pick 14 for Wood was a laugh.
Check Leuenberger's stats against Lade, Brogan and Jolly in 2008 before you post that he can't get near the ball.
http://stats.rleague.com/afl/stats/games/2008/161920080405.html
http://stats.rleague.com/afl/stats/games/2008/131920080412.html
You need strength to hold your own against ruckman.
Leuenberger would be your second ruckman.
This despite the difference in age,weight and experience - in a game versus Port in 2008 Leuenberger took on Lade AND Brogan due to a Charman injury an held up pretty well considering the above differences and was very good during the Lion's winning 4th quarter comeback from 35 points down - plenty of wraps from Healy and Dunstall at the time.
He has added a considerable number of kilograms to the frame since then and make no mistake Collingwood would love to have him for 2009.
BTW....most people realise draft selection order often depends on how things unfold - if the first three picks had been Leuenberger,Gibbs and Gumbleton then Joel Selwood may very well have joined brother Troy at Brisbane - when Leuey was still there at pick 4 he was considered best available.
You can't be serious. Diesel was as good a player to watch live as anyone I've seen. Certainly not for his physical capabilities, but the dominance of his game was no less mesmerizing than an Ablett or Carey.
Sometimes when Diesel played it was almost like he was a chess player and his teamates were his pieces. He would direct them to position at stoppages or as he was running downfield and basically manufacture goals with his ability to see how the play would unfold.
His vision and awareness was easily the best I've seen in a player, regularly spotting up the best positioned player from deep within a pack. He won plenty of contested footy and racked up a ton of clearances and possessions. With his vision and equisite skills this created a nightmare for the opposition.
If you never got to really watch Diesel in action it's a genuine pity and i don't mean that condescendingly. Like Ablett, he regularly did things no other player could; certanily not as spectacularly as Ablett, but it would leave you just shaking your head at his genius just the same.
He also remains the only player to have won dual AFLPA MVP's and dual Brownlow Medals.
It will be a while before the Gumbleton selection plays out and I can see why Essendon would have taken him with 2 aging KPP forwards.
But Selwood would be exactly what Essendon need, a player to add substance to that midfield. Which well, lacks a bit.
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