How does a player like Joel Selwood go number 6 in a draft?

[Selective Retention]

I hate Carlton as much as the next man but I would suggest at this stage he has shown at least as much as Cooney, Goddard, Fraser, Hodge, Deledio and Kruezer have in their first season or 2.

Agreed. I think Gibbs was the safe pick and he has been good to very good as an AFL rookie, Selwood is just exceptional.

The other teams between picks 2-6 are the ones that would be really kicking themselves.

 

[DarwinRoo]

Is Selwood a KP Defender that North needed?

 

[Schulzenfest]

Nothing wrong with Travis Boak. Not as good as Selwood but better than anyone else we could've had. If a team picked the second best player still available at every pick, I'm sure it would end up being a good draft.

 

[Selective Retention]

He is not overly quick and disposes by hand rather than foot. Is one dimensional in the sense that he is naturally an inside midfielder.
That's my theory.

Someone else earlier in the thread questioned whether he was capable of becoming an elite mid or not because he has no obvious standout attribute - aka the Dermie standpoint.

If Selwood isn't capable of becoming an elite midfielder the people have a pretty strict viewpoint of elite. Would they classify Bartel, S.Black, West, even Voss as elite?

 

[Selective Retention]

Is Selwood a KP Defender that North needed?

Is Hansen even a key defender? Last I heard North were trying him out on the wing.

 

[#1 Dogs Fan]

H2F Firstly He went pick 7 for starters.

Secondly the answer to your question in bold is pretty simple really.
6 other players got picked ahead of him which is probably the reason why he went number 7.

Not rocket science H2F just common sense

 

[Parallel Andy]

Someone else earlier in the thread questioned whether he was capable of becoming an elite mid or not because he has no obvious standout attribute - aka the Dermie standpoint.

If Selwood isn't capable of becoming an elite midfielder the people have a pretty strict viewpoint of elite. Would they classify Bartel, S.Black, West, even Voss as elite?

A little defensive?
The thread posed the question, why he was picked so late and I gave my reasoning. I never suggested that he will or will not become elite.

He does have standout attributes. His quick handballing and ability to get the ball cleanly out of a pack. He is pretty much already near elite level.

Did Dermie say something about him? Did you listen?
Dermie was a great player, but a crappy and bias analyser of the game.

I see Selwood's selection in a similar way that I see Sidebottom's.
Selwood was my second choice behind Luenberger in the draft.

When I looked through all the footage, stats and game reviews of the kids from the 2008 draft my first choice was Sidebottom, then Ziebell.

I think people will question the late drafting of Sidebottom and Ziebell in much the same way that they are with Selwood.

 

[Pykie]

I played footy for 15 odd years and unless I am totally full of it I never played with a guy that I couldn't see his talent within a couple of games.

If they really watch these guys all year and then not really know this stuff then I want a job.

How can recruiters dissmiss stars based on risk, are they stupid or something? Sure some risks don't work out but the biggest risk is not taking guys because of things like junior injuries, possible attitude etc.

His talent was identified.

He was an underage AA at u/18 level, widely regarded as one of the top prospects even over a year out fron his draft.

His knees may have had a small part in the decisions, but most of all its greed.

Clubs cant help themselves.

They get too caught up in upsides, and "ceilings" of what potential draftees could become, that they often just disregard what alot of the kids already bring to the table.

I think you will find there will be 1 or 2 very similar to Selwood in this draft, taken slightly apart and in a similar position.

 

[Selective Retention]

A little defensive?
The thread posed the question, why he was picked so late and I gave my reasoning. I never suggested that he will or will not become elite.

He does have standout attributes. His quick handballing and ability to get the ball cleanly out of a pack. He is pretty much already near elite level.

Did Dermie say something about him? Did you listen?
Dermie was a great player, but a crappy and bias analyser of the game.

I see Selwood's selection in a similar way that I see Sidebottom's.
Selwood was my second choice behind Luenberger in the draft.

When I looked through all the footage, stats and game reviews of the kids from the 2008 draft my first choice was Sidebottom, then Ziebell.

I think people will question the late drafting of Sidebottom and Ziebell in much the same way that they are with Selwood.

I should have quoted both posts. It was more a general overview than directed at you.

Dermie's point was because he can't run fast or jump high or kick like Hodge he can't be elite which was more the tone of the earlier post than yours but you also touched on it with "He is not overly quick" and "disposes by hand rather than foot".

 

[Lach72]

He is not overly quick and disposes by hand rather than foot. Is one dimensional in the sense that he is naturally an inside midfielder.
That's my theory.

Wut?

 

[recon]

Is Selwood a KP Defender that North needed?

Drafting in the first round for need is not the way to go should always take best available.

 

[THE_GUN]

But if you compare that to the Top 20 from 2006, I think you can safely lock in Selwood, Gibbs, Leuenberger, Boak, Nathan J Brown, Everitt, Frawley, Jack Riewoldt as long term players, with the jury still out on Gumbleton, Hansen, Armitage & Mitch Brown.

I would be very confident that there will be more long term players from the Top 20 of the 2006 draft than from the Top 20 of the 2004 draft. Particularly when you consider that Meesen, Egan, Meyer, Thomson & Willits have already been either delisted or traded by their respective club & Tambling, Russell, Pattison & McQualter are just hanging in there on their respective club lists.

in three years time we could end up with the highlighted player either being delisted traded or just plain run of the mill players.

thus far the only players that have shown anything of that draft are gibbs,selwood,reiwoldt...........the rest are still just dreams like the day they were drafted.

 

[Rosella]

A little defensive?

Did Dermie say something about him? Did you listen?
Dermie was a great player, but a crappy and bias analyser of the game.

He's also unoriginal - he was repeating something Leigh Matthews said in the telecast.

 

[Silvagnis]

Drafting in the first round for need is not the way to go should always take best available.

Tell that to Hawthorn who picked KPP ahead of midfielders because they are harder to find.

I'd take Kreuzer ahead of Joel Selwood if they were in the same draft.

Wayne Hughes appeared to have a hard spot for Leuenberger when he was interviewed before the 2006 draft.

We picked Hampson with our next selection...

I reckon the Blues would have drafted Gibbs and Leuenberger if we had an early PP.

Leuenberger is a gun and will be a star.

Moves and rucks like Cox after seeing him in the NAB Cup. .

It's hard to predict how star juniors turn out.

No one rated Grigg on BigFooty because he was played as an outside player and linkman (according to footy man). Grigg has turned out to be a tougher player than Hislop who was rated by some as a young Andy McKay for his attack on the ball.

I wouldn't swap Grigg for Jack Riewoldt.

 

[Parallel Andy]

Wut?

Ummm...everyone knows that he is not overly quick and everyone knows that he is better suited as an inside midfielder. No shocks here!

 

[THE_GUN]

Tell that to Hawthorn who picked KPP ahead of midfielders because they are harder to find.

I'd take Kreuzer ahead of Joel Selwood if they were in the same draft.

Wayne Hughes appeared to have a hard spot for Leuenberger when he was interviewed before the 2006 draft.

We picked Hampson with our next selection...

I reckon the Blues would have drafted Gibbs and Leuenberger if we had an early PP.

Leuenberger is a gun and will be a star.

Moves and rucks like Cox after seeing him in the NAB Cup. .

It's hard to predict how star juniors turn out.

No one rated Grigg on BigFooty because he was played as an outside player and linkman (according to footy man). Grigg has turned out to be a tougher player than Hislop who was rated by some as a young Andy McKay for his attack on the ball.

I wouldn't swap Grigg for Jack Riewoldt.[/quote]
you have outdone yourself again.................

 

[fpm84]

I remember being at work the morning of the draft, and asking a friend to text me the name of who we got with our first pick.

All week it looked like we'd be getting Boak, who I didn't know too much about.

All the 'experts' said Selwood would be gone by pick 5 at the latest.

I couldn't help but giggle when I received a text message saying "pick 7 - Geelong - Joel Selwood."

 

[Butane]

I remember being at work the morning of the draft, and asking a friend to text me the name of who we got with our first pick.

All week it looked like we'd be getting Boak, who I didn't know too much about.

All the 'experts' said Selwood would be gone by pick 5 at the latest.

I couldn't help but giggle when I received a text message saying "pick 7 - Geelong - Joel Selwood."

Why were you laughing at the time? You could have picked the dud that everyone else knew wasn't an actual top 10 pick and that's why he was sliding. Hell, you didn't even know who Travis Boak was at the time. I can't remember to many people putting Selwood in their top 5 at the time either due to him only playing only 2 or 3 games in the 12 months prior to the draft.

Sorry to rip you but you deserved it and I'm bored.

 

[fpm84]

Why were you laughing at the time? You could have picked the dud that everyone else knew wasn't an actual top 10 pick and that's why he was sliding. Hell, you didn't even know who Travis Boak was at the time. I can't remember to many people putting Selwood in their top 5 at the time either due to him only playing only 2 or 3 games in the 12 months prior to the draft.

Sorry to rip you but you deserved it and I'm bored.

More than 90% of the phantom drafts released had Selwood in the top 5. I just checked Matt Burgan's and he had Selwood going to Brisbane at pick 4 and Boak falling through to us. You'd be hard pressed to find ANYBODY who thought Selwood would still be there by pick 7 - and it had been well documented that his supposedly degenerative knee would still allow him to do a full pre-season and start 2007 in the seniors, which he basically did with us.

FYI - of course I knew who Boak was, everybody down Geelong way did as he was a Torquay boy. But try and find somebody who rated him higher than Selwood at the time, apart from Port Adelaide's drafting team. I think Boak's a very, very good player but I am still amazed that we got Joel at 7.

 

[Ruse]

It was widely rumored that brisbane would be picking up selwood back then but leuenberger slipped so we got him instead. I was happy we picked up leuenberger who many were predicting would be #1. Brisbane seem to have a pattern of picking up sliders on draft day with the berger, mitch clark and daniel rich, Henderson, etc. all were predicted to be top 3 but slipped down to us for some reason. We've done okay with that system but I wish we picked up a couple more blue chip mids instead of our overstocking in kpp depth.

 

[fpm84]

It was widely rumored that brisbane would be picking up selwood back then but leuenberger slipped so we got him instead. I was happy we picked up leuenberger who many were predicting would be #1. Brisbane seem to have a pattern of picking up sliders on draft day with the berger, mitch clark and daniel rich, cam wood, etc. all were predicted to be top 3 but slipped down to us for some reason. We've done okay with that system but I wish we picked up a couple more blue chip mids instead of our overstocking in kpp depth.

It had a great effect on us in that it meant we got Selwood, but I don't think Brisbane will ever regret picking up Leuenberger instead. He looks like being a top shelf player.

 

[Herne Hill Hammer]

You are full of it.

He is a good player, don't get me wrong but I could slot into the Geelong midfield, get the 4th worst opposition midfielder and look pretty good as 3 players try and tackle Ablett.

Stick him in say Melbourne and I think he would be a very good player but wouldn't be half the player he is now.

It is the West Coast factor... See Kerr, Fletcher, Embley when Cousins and Judd were there. Made 2 successive grand finals. See Eagles without those two... second last.

He would be their best player and Captain.

 

[Herne Hill Hammer]

I should have quoted both posts. It was more a general overview than directed at you.

Dermie's point was because he can't run fast or jump high or kick like Hodge he can't be elite which was more the tone of the earlier post than yours but you also touched on it with "He is not overly quick" and "disposes by hand rather than foot".

Hmmm, sounds very much like a 'Diesel' Williams to me. Let's hope so and that he sticks around Geelong a lot longer than 'Diesel' did. (in the top 3 best I've ever seen)

 

[Spitz]

in three years time we could end up with the highlighted player either being delisted traded or just plain run of the mill players.

thus far the only players that have shown anything of that draft are gibbs,selwood,reiwoldt...........the rest are still just dreams like the day they were drafted.

Bias much?

Riewoldt is a glorified FP/HFF, playing on bit-part backman, wait till he has to contend with a decent CHB or FB.

He kicked 18 goals last season.

Matt Campbell and Lindsay Thomas were both taken in that draft (Rookie, and #53), and kicked 32 goals each last season, I would say that more than qualifies for showing "anything"


I think the only dreams going on around here are yours, of the wet variety.

 

[thebiff]

What a ridiculous post, you could say that for 100's of players over the years.