Vic How would you rate Daniel Andrews' performance as Victorian Premier? - Part 5

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Continued From Part 4:

Vic - How would you rate Daniel Andrews' performance as Victorian Premier? - Part 4

This thread is Continued in Part 5: https://www.bigfooty.com/forum/threads/how-would-you-rate-daniel-andrews-performance-as-victorian-premier-part-5.1282789/

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[GreyWind]

Under the new changed definition sure. The definition for the past how ever many years, at least since I've been born, Vaccine = Immunisation, and unless they've changed the meaning of Immune, these shots aren't making you immune from anything, simply lessening the effects of the infection.

But we're arguing minor details, we agree comorbidities are very important, and it's clear, even with the vaccine, people are dying from covid.

There are already vaccinations that require boosters, flu, diphtheria, tetanus and pertussis being the main ones. It's not a new thing which is why I presume the definition has changed as it was outdated.

We are arguing minor details because you don't understand them. More people would be dying without the vaccinations or having long term side effects from catching Covid-19.

 

[MightyTiger]

There are already vaccinations that require boosters, flu, diphtheria, tetanus and pertussis being the main ones. It's not a new thing which is why I presume the definition has changed as it was outdated.

We are arguing minor details because you don't understand them. More people would be dying without the vaccinations or having long term side effects from catching Covid-19.

Tetanus | The Australian Immunisation Handbook

Information about tetanus disease, vaccines and recommendations for vaccination from the Australian Immunisation Handbook

immunisationhandbook.health.gov.au

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Tetanus-containing vaccine is recommended in a 5-dose schedule at 2, 4, 6 and 18 months, and 4 years of age.

Infants and children receive tetanus toxoid in combination with diphtheria toxoid and acellular pertussis, as DTPa (diphtheria-tetanus-acellular pertussis)-containing vaccines.

Infants can have their 1st dose of tetanus-containing vaccine as early as 6 weeks of age. This can reduce the risk of illness or death from pertussis. See Table. Minimum acceptable age for the 1st dose of scheduled vaccines in infants in special circumstances in Catch-up vaccination.

If the 1st dose of tetanus-containing vaccine is given at the age of 6 weeks, infants should still receive their next scheduled doses at 4 months and 6 months of age (see Pertussis).

Multiple doses of tetanus-containing vaccine during childhood are needed to provide a protective level of immunity.1

The vaccines usually received at each schedule point are:

• 2, 4 and 6 months of age — DTPa-hepB-IPV-Hib (diphtheria-tetanus-acellular pertussis, hepatitis B, inactivated poliovirus, Haemophilus influenzae type b)
• 18 months of age — DTPa
• 4 years of age — DTPa-IPV

A booster dose of tetanus-containing vaccine is recommended for adolescents, using the reduced antigen dTpa vaccine. The optimal age for administering this dose is 11–13 years.

Adolescents need a booster dose of tetanus-containing vaccine to extend the protective level of immunity to adulthood. The booster is also essential for maintaining immunity to diphtheria and pertussis into adulthood.

Explain how getting booster shots every 10 years or so for a vaccine that provides IMMUNITY is the same as what the covid one is please.

Maybe it is you who does not understand, or is misguided.

 

[Ice-Wolf]

The people are fighting back! Decentralised activism is working.

No no don't follow random links on the internet!

 

[Paul Kersey]

I picture you giving them this look.

Walked from Spring St to Southbank - a lot of police but no riff raff. Says a lot about these arseclowns when one day they are comparing themselves to fallen soldiers and the next day they have given up. I’d submit most of them give up at the first hurdle on most things life throws their way and that’s why they likely live the shit and bitter existence that I think most of them do.

 

[GreyWind]

Tetanus | The Australian Immunisation Handbook

Information about tetanus disease, vaccines and recommendations for vaccination from the Australian Immunisation Handbook

immunisationhandbook.health.gov.au

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Explain how getting booster shots every 10 years or so for a vaccine that provides IMMUNITY is the same as what the covid one is please.

Maybe it is you who does not understand, or is misguided.

Well if it provided immunity you wouldn't need a booster shot. It provides a high level of protection, roughly around 98% efficacy, which wanes over time though which is why we only need bosters after a decade or so.

The difference being pertussis, diphtheria and tetanus are all relatively stable and haven't mutated at a rapid pace compared to influenza or Covid-19. So the vaccines will have different levels of efficacy. Although that's changing with pertussis so it's an area to be aware of.

 

[mighty tiges]

There are already vaccinations that require boosters, flu, diphtheria, tetanus and pertussis being the main ones. It's not a new thing which is why I presume the definition has changed as it was outdated.

We are arguing minor details because you don't understand them. More people would be dying without the vaccinations or having long term side effects from catching Covid-19.

I still have my old vaccination booklet/record and the Triple Antigen required a booster. 3 shots at 3-5 months of age followed by a booster around 15-18 months of age. For Polio, I had about 5 doses as a baby to pre-school age and another oral dose when I was 14. Had a booster for Tetanus in my teens as well. As you say boosters are common practice.

Vaccines trigger an immune response to offer future protection against harmful diseases which is why the word immunisation is used. No vaccine is perfect (100% efficacy), however if a high percentage of the population is vaccinated then certain diseases can be effectively eliminated (eg: smallpox) while other diseases can at the very least be significantly controlled and severe sickness, hospitalisations and deaths dramatically reduced by 90%+ compared to an unvaccinated population.

 

[Ghost Patrol]

They are getting trolled hard. Will take a few days/weeks for them to regroup with secure comms.

Lets say, two weeks.

Also fighting amongst themselves

 

[pazza]

As soon as their intentions were published, they were in trouble this mob.

Just wondering when things are back to relative normal, whether there will be a counter rally through Melbourne with a full police escort etc...

 

[MightyTiger]

Well if it provided immunity you wouldn't need a booster shot. It provides a high level of protection, roughly around 98% efficacy, which wanes over time though which is why we only need bosters after a decade or so.

The difference being pertussis, diphtheria and tetanus are all relatively stable and haven't mutated at a rapid pace compared to influenza or Covid-19. So the vaccines will have different levels of efficacy. Although that's changing with pertussis so it's an area to be aware of.

Can you show the data that it says it's 98% effective please.

And exactly, they are stable, have proven over time they work and provide immunity, no doubt the vaccine provided high level of immunisation to begin with for the alpha variant, against the delta variant it's more therapeutic then immunisation.

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[Paul Kersey]

They are getting trolled hard. Will take a few days/weeks for them to regroup with secure comms.

Lets say, two weeks.

Also fighting amongst themselves

It’s at self parody levels. Haha.

 

[Golden_6]

Any news on those 4000 ICU beds that were promised?

Without any knowledge of the situation, I’d say that the physical beds are available but the staffing needs could not be met for those beds which is a very difficult situation to fix.

We do have a significant amount of doctors and nurses (1000’s) currently tied up in the vaccine rollout. When we hit the double dose mark in November, it would be expected that the rollout could be reduced significantly and those personnel redirected to where they are needed.

 

[ExcitementMachine]

All nations park northcote mayhem

 

[Sttew]

Another fail this week from the Premier. Dan Andrews was asked at a press conference this week how many of the 4000 ICU beds that his Health minister announced in 2020 had been delivered, and this is what his response was:

"No. Hang on a minute, that is not what she announced"

Dan then went on to ask mockingly whether he and his government were expected to set up 4000 extra ICU beds in a converted warehouse or turn the Exhibition Building into an ICU unit, as if the proposition was entirely preposterous.

Yet another lie by Dan. Because this is exactly what he proposed. His minister said last year, "we are going to fund another 4000 intensive care beds taking us to a total of 4500". And Dan even released a statement confirming the $1.3 Billion funding to create the extra 4000 beds.

Clearly, not one new ICU bed was created.

As long as Dan keeps lying to us how can anyone believe anything he says. How can we believe his statements about ending lockdown?

I know this post will be met with derision by Danfans. Maybe, before you LOL it give us your take on the ICU beds.

 

[mighty tiges]

 

[Paul Kersey]

All nations park northcote mayhem

Crikey. Should use live rounds on them.

































Live rounds of vaccine.

 

[Ghost Patrol]

It’s at self parody levels. Haha.

Yes.

 

[GreyWind]

Can you show the data that it says it's 98% effective please.

And exactly, they are stable, have proven over time they work and provide immunity, no doubt the vaccine provided high level of immunisation to begin with for the alpha variant, against the delta variant it's more therapeutic then immunisation.

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I said roughly 98% and was talking about diphtheria, pertussis and tetanus. I was wrong there, it's only 80 to 90% effective.

In general, DTaP vaccines are 80% to 90% effective. Among kids who get all 5 doses of DTaP on schedule, effectiveness is very high within the year following the 5th dose – at least 9 out of 10 kids are fully protected.[\QUOTE]

Frequently Asked Questions about Whooping Cough (Pertussis) | CDC

Frequently Asked Questions about Pertussis

www.cdc.gov

 

[Nikita Blue]

They are getting trolled hard. Will take a few days/weeks for them to regroup with secure comms.

Lets say, two weeks.

Also fighting amongst themselves

What a charming erudite gentleman and why do they always film their rants in cars?

 

[Ghost Patrol]

What a charming erudite gentleman and why do they always film their rants in cars?

Haha, no idea. Don't they take selfies in cars because it's good light?

Reading the twitter thread, it looks like he was a pro wrestler, was possibly on a reality TV show

 

[MightyTiger]

I said roughly 98% and was talking about diphtheria, pertussis and tetanus. I was wrong there, it's only 80 to 90% effective.

Fair enough, appreciate you giving a link to the statement.

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[swingdog]

 

[mighty tiges]

Yes.

That thread is a scream. These anti-vaxxer nutters are so paranoid they even believe each other are members of their imaginary conspiracy theory against them . Some people have watched the Matrix one too many times .

Good to see these anti-vaxxer whackos are getting trolled too.

 

[mighty tiges]

These anti-vaxxers are such a bunch of clueless nuffers they probably confused Westgate with Westgarth lol.

 

[Ghost Patrol]

That thread is a scream. These anti-vaxxer nutters are so paranoid they even believe each other are members of their imaginary conspiracy theory against them . Some people have watched the Matrix one too many times .

Good to see these anti-vaxxer whackos are getting trolled too.

Twitter is hilarious today.

The lefty twitter trolls that Leigh Sales warned us about last week, have just thwarted another riot.

 

[Mr.X]

Also interesting SOE got extended by another month in the middle of the night, with a deal done supposedly with the greens and another party that slips my mind.

Can anyone, even those that are the stand with Dan crowd, explain how this isn't something that is done by a external panel with oversight? It's basically a group of men writing their own rules and implementing them. It's just truly bizarre how this is even possible.

It's how Andrews rolls.

Secret deals done in the middle of the night to further his agenda