Vic How would you rate Daniel Andrews' performance as Victorian Premier? - Part 5

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Continued From Part 4:

Vic - How would you rate Daniel Andrews' performance as Victorian Premier? - Part 4

This thread is Continued in Part 5: https://www.bigfooty.com/forum/threads/how-would-you-rate-daniel-andrews-performance-as-victorian-premier-part-5.1282789/

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[Ghost Patrol]

Thinking there's more nazis than we are aware of.

Might set a trap.

 

[VineySMASH]

Victorians have had their head in the sand in relation to police corruption. Most Victorians aren’t political. They don’t realize what happens when you let police act without accountability. Now we see police brutality and a “nothing to see here” type of investigation into incidents. It’s pretty much bred out of the Andrews term of office. The police never investigated Andrews properly for red shirts fiasco and a range of other things. At this point the police are the forceful arm of Andrews. It’s sad because it’s pretty much ruined the state. Andrews has been an absolute disaster for Victoria.


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Haha you really think police brutality has only been an issue in Victoria since Dan Andrews? They're cleaner now than they've ever been.

They used to literally murder people they didn't like.

 

[Nikita Blue]

Really? Where?

What’s a matter of video recorded record is police smashing heads at the behest of the government.

If only you cared as much for sexual assault victims as you do for qAnon nutters.

 

[Maddhew]

Have you considered what might be different this year compared to last?

This is a fair point, provided you are consistent in not criticising NSW govt for not bring their outbreak under control.

 

[Theseventhhamster]

Are you talking about the video where someone approaches a police officer and the camera operator says "oh no he's back" and he gets tackled to the ground using a police approved technique, but paramedics werne't called because it was a minor injury?

It is quite funny watching Nazis and Fascists get treated with absolute kid gloves by the police over the past few days and still whinging. If you want to see police brutality, go and join in a (real) trade union march one day, you can learn all about kettling and batons.

Yep, cops are predominantly right wingers, in a lot of places dangerously so. They went soft on the nuffies for a bunch of protests until they started to get hit and finally cracked it. Really, really warms the heart seeing fascists fighting cops. We have **** all military in Aus when you rule out the smart ones and just count the grunts. Cops are all the fascists have to hang their hats on here and they've had the relationship ****ed now by their nuffiest cohort. Warms the ****ing heart.

 

[MightyTiger]

Ok so you said:


It is completely nonsensical for someone to change their opinion on an important issue like that because they don't like the way Dan Andrews talks. Anyhow, you proudly claim that it did so there we are



Deaths "After" having had their shot. Controlled relative to the rest of the population, there's no increased risk.

Anyhow it's a fairly simple concept to get your head around:

1. Vaccines reduce likelihood of you getting Covid
2. Vaccines reduce likelihood of you spreading Covid to other people
3. The benefits of vaccines outweigh the risks in all individuals for whom they are approved (as confirmed by the TGA)
4. By not taking the vaccine, you increase the risk of those around you contracting a disease which may kill them.

Yeah, given these 4 points it's fairly straightforward why vaccines are required to work in certain high-risk industries.

A 100% my view would be completely different, not enough to change my opinion as I don't take medical advice from a politician, but I don't think anyone would argue the way he and others have just shoved it into everyone's face and made people choose between a medical treatment and a normal life, it damn right would be looked at very differently.

We're gonna go in circles because you guys use stats to suit your talking point, so when people died with covid in there system, was it from covid or with covid? See how it works both ways, either the 800+ deaths in Vic are solely attributed to covid or they died from other means with covid in their system.

You can keep ignoring it all you like, but these vaccines were sold and shipped to the public with the view they would provide complete immunity as the other vaccines we have all had today. And the benefits do not outweigh anything at the moment because the science and publications aren't done yet, you can talk as much as you want but when all forms of discussion on all platforms have been silenced, including medical professionals, something is clearly wrong when you're only hearing one side of the debate. There has never been an instance in our time when it comes to medical treatment where there has not been allowed counter arguments. And given we have a lot of data coming out from highly vaccinated countries, and it isn't looking all that great, a civil discussion being had at this point in time is exactly what this world needs.

Sorry mate, their has never been a point in time I can remember where humans make personal medical choices based upon the person next to them, I'll leave that choice in the hands of myself and my doctor.

Thoughts on why highly vaccinated countries are having all time covid outbreaks and hospitalisations?

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[mcnulty]

I give zero fu**s about your opinion

I’m glad. You’ve been spectacularly wrong about pretty much everything on this topic since day 1. It’s been amusing to me to watch your hapless flounderings. But what’s even funnier is watching you continuously double down on your idiocy, and now be reduced to base trolling.

Sad.

 

[MightyTiger]

60 minutes? Immediately discarded.

You wasted all that time only to post rubbish from mainstream media and hurl an insult at me?

Are you stupid? I literally posted in my initial post that it was a 60 minute piece that you intially quoted and insulted me. Go have a glass of warm milk and head to bed.

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[GreyWind]

No idea, I know Victoria’s was f’ed before these outbreaks but that’s pretty consistent over the last 22 years. It’s why they need to train Firefighters to become medical responders instead of investing in more ambulances or paramedics.

Are you saying that they need to train firefighters to respond or that they have?

 

[VineySMASH]

This is a fair point, provided you are consistent in not criticising NSW govt for not bring their outbreak under control.

I think where Gladys ****ed up is hubris. When those first cases of Delta hit Sydney, she was too soft. It wasn't until it reached the West/Southwest that she got serious about it.

At this point, she's doing the right thing for the most part - but in a far less accountable way than Dan and Brett down in VIC. I mean she literally just said "I'm not doing press conferences anymore unless I feel like it" a couple weeks back. Its really poor leadership.

You might not like Dan, though obviously the vast majority of Victorians very much do like him, but at a bare minimum I would like to think most people in Victoria appreciate that he fronts up to answer every question every single day.

 

[Deliverance]

Like what? More freedom? Less freedom?

People need to check themselves, because while lockdown is hard, it is very, very temporary.

My grandfather had to go and fight in trenches in Northern Africa for this country - he didn't get much of a say in it, it was the thing that had to be done. And I'm not minimalising that lockdown is tough, by comparison it is an infinitely more palatable way to help your country than going to war.

When you're 18 months in to an elimination strategy and a more contagious variant comes along, I'd think stronger restrictions would be the way to go for a circuit breaking lockdown. Along with tight border controls. I don't know, maybe pausing flights from Sydney, etc.

Did you think the way he played it was good? If yes, how so?

How was your grandfather forced to fight in Africa? Conscription?

 

[VineySMASH]

Yep, cops are predominantly right wingers, in a lot of places dangerously so. They went soft on the nuffies for a bunch of protests until they started to get hit and finally cracked it. Really, really warms the heart seeing fascists fighting cops. We have fu** all military in Aus when you rule out the smart ones and just count the grunts. Cops are all the fascists have to hang their hats on here and they've had the relationship f’ed now by their nuffiest cohort. Warms the ******* heart.

I think VicPol have made a concerted effort to stop hiring as many jackboot types in recent years, as it has become apparent how much they were getting infiltrated by the Qanon/Fash set.

I know when I used to counter protest the UPF the cops would spend most of the day protecting them from us, even high fiving them at times. I think now that the police understand just how scummy these dregs are they are realising that they aren't on the same team.

 

[adogsfan5]

Be careful about making idle threats to harm public representatives mate.

This isn't the US.

Wouldn’t hurt a fly. No threat here. Just don’t ever see him in public despite being 56% popular.

 

[Deliverance]

Lol, you’re the one saying Dans grand plan is so much better than Gladys before admitting neither could stop Delta. Yet still you’d have rather lived in multiple lockdowns over the last 15 months instead of being free?

I think you’re the one being dishonest, starting with the point about being from Sydney…

Alt account for Chrissy?

 

[Ghost Patrol]

I think VicPol have made a concerted effort to stop hiring as many jackboot types in recent years, as it has become apparent how much they were getting infiltrated by the Qanon/Fash set.

I know when I used to counter protest the UPF the cops would spend most of the day protecting them from us, even high fiving them at times. I think now that the police understand just how scummy these dregs are they are realising that they aren't on the same team.

One of the original UPF guys was spotted storming the CFMEU.

 

[VineySMASH]

When you're 18 months in to an elimination strategy and a more contagious variant comes along, I'd think stronger restrictions would be the way to go for a circuit breaking lockdown. Along with tight border controls. I don't know, maybe pausing flights from Sydney, etc.

Did you think the way he played it was good? If yes, how so?

How was your grandfather forced to fight in Africa? Conscription?

The elimination strategy is gone, national cabinet announced and agreed that a long time ago.

You know what happened to men who refused to fight in WW2 in Australia? May as well have gone full hermit because you were a social pariah if you didn't sign up.

 

[Evolved1]

I’m glad. You’ve been spectacularly wrong about pretty much everything on this topic since day 1. It’s been amusing to me to watch your hapless flounderings. But what’s even funnier is watching you continuously double down on your idiocy, and now reduced to base trolling.

Sad.

Nonsense. My predictions have come true.

More than 12 months back, I predicted the US would be free of covid restrictions before Australia.

 

[VineySMASH]

One of the original UPF guys was spotted storming the CFMEU.

Yep. The whole thing about targetting the CFMEU was to try and get revenge for all the times the CFMEU stomped them out during the protests back in 2011-2014.

 

[Theseventhhamster]

I think VicPol have made a concerted effort to stop hiring as many jackboot types in recent years, as it has become apparent how much they were getting infiltrated by the Qanon/Fash set.

I know when I used to counter protest the UPF the cops would spend most of the day protecting them from us, even high fiving them at times. I think now that the police understand just how scummy these dregs are they are realising that they aren't on the same team.

Could also be that the IQ test to get in is now too high, job market being tight and all. Maybe they can infiltrate the PSOs lol

 

[Theseventhhamster]

Nonsense. My predictions have come true.

More than 12 months back, I predicted the US would be free of covid restrictions before Australia.

You predicted how badly Scomo and co would **** up the vaccine rollout? How'd you do that?

 

[adogsfan5]

If we can’t ease restrictions at 70%, we should change the name of this thread to “seriously, where are you gonna go?”

 

[BruceFromBalnarring]

If only you cared as much for sexual assault victims as you do for qAnon nutters.

If only you stood for something real other than the latest lame progressive narrative. Argue the sexual abuse stuff in the appropriate thread (and get smashed like all the others).

 

[VineySMASH]

Could also be that the IQ test to get in is now too high, job market being tight and all. Maybe they can infiltrate the PSOs lol

I don't know many cops, but I do know one who recently signed up - he has multiple bachelor degrees and an IQ of over 150. Said most of his cohort are uni grads.

So yeah, the standards have lifted quite substantially I think.

 

[RICHOLEGEND12]

Hold on.

So we get daily update deaths of people apparently dying from covid, did they die from covid or with covid?

See how you guys love to twist arguments to suit your narrow narrative.

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I'm not twisting a narrative mate. This is what atagi states themselves. Pretty clearly on their website as well. If anyone dies who has been vaccinated, there death is investigated (death from a health issue that is, not a car accident etc). So unless you're a full blown conspiracy nutter, your clearly spreading information.

To go another route, there has been 94,000 cases of covid in Australia for 1200 deaths. So even if you as you seem to imply, these deaths are rigged... Say 1199 of these deaths are rigged, over 99. 9% of the deaths are rigged. Well then the death rate for covid is 1 in 94,000 compared to 1 in 2.8 million per vaccine dose.

Also, who is you people?

 

[Evolved1]

So viruses have these different strains right.

Go on, kid. I don't bite.