Vic How would you rate Daniel Andrews' performance as Victorian Premier? - Part 7

[Saint]

The Parliament has responsibility for oversight on IBAC, and for any institution to be responsible and accountable to the people, somewhere it has to be responsible to the parliament. If not, then that institution is in charge and beyond accountability. Parliament is full of politicians - IMO the alternative is clearly worse.

Yes, but the argument for oversight to be in the hands of the opposition would only make it more political.

I think it goes without saying that if power over IBAC were in the hands of the opposition (any opposition) it would be used improperly for political purposes. The current LNP have nothing else to lose at the moment.

 

[The Punter]

Yes, but the argument for oversight to be in the hands of the opposition would only make it more political.

I think it goes without saying that if power over IBAC were in the hands of the opposition (any opposition) it would be used improperly for political purposes. The current LNP have nothing else to lose at the moment.

I believe I said earlier in this thread I wanted a non-government Chair. That we now have, at the expense of an enquiry into the allegations in Robert Redlich's letter.

"Non-government" and "opposition" are not exactly the same thing.

 

[Saint]

I believe I said earlier in this thread I wanted a non-government Chair. That we now have, at the expense of an enquiry into the allegations in Robert Redlich's letter.

"Non-government" and "opposition" are not exactly the same thing.

So you're happy that the Greens are now the chair, but in the same post, you were critical of the Greens for not having an enquiry?

Dunno, seems to me like you just want the Libs to be in charge, even thouhg very few people in the state do.

 

[Romeoh1]

Seriously, Andrews is the least of the problems with politics in Victoria. Am just happy to have an intelligent gov’t in charge. How lucky. The rest of them can take a hike.

 

[The Cryptkeeper]

Seriously, Andrews is the least of the problems with politics in Victoria. Am just happy to have an intelligent, gov’t in charge. How lucky. The rest of them can take a hike.

Yep, shit happens here. Stuff gets done. It's a great place to live.

And the critics can go on about Andrews' corruption as much as they like but that conveniently overlooks the fact that whomever they would replace him with is likely to be just as corrupt. They are all corrupt.

So give me the corrupt politician who does shit over the corrupt politician who doesn't. Every day of the week.

 

[HurleyHepsHird]

That last line from Broadbent, wtf is wrong with these people?

I'm just dumbfounded by how stupid they are. Why say that?

 

[Romeoh1]

Yep, s**t happens here. Stuff gets done. It's a great place to live.

And the critics can go on about Andrews' corruption as much as they like but that conveniently overlooks the fact that whomever they would replace him with is likely to be just as corrupt. They are all corrupt.

So give me the corrupt politician who does s**t over the corrupt politician who doesn't. Every day of the week.

Yep - but I don’t think he’s even corrupt. I presume he plays some things a bit fast and loose, and goes by the ‘beg for forgiveness, don‘t ask for permission’ school, doesn’t tolerate much dissent, let’s some things go through to the keeper- but I suspect he is cleaner than most pollies. And yes- he gets stuff done.

 

[kalex6251]

^^^

agree hes not without his baggage (the Vic Forest thing for one .... is likely direct/blunt and wouldnt easily tolerate fools but thats not a hanging offence at this level of officialdom ..... FTR: contrast that with kennett who was likely an absolute ar$ehole to deal with)

on the whole, suspect youre on the money here

 

[Todman]

How many times does this need to be explained.

That is not how state governments generate debt.

A large portion of state debt belongs to the federal treasury, which buys state issued bonds. Other borrowings are generated via competitive international lending markets via private lenders or bond issuance to global buyers. Individual states do not go to foreign nations begging for liquidity lmao. *in hell.

By issuing state issued bonds is a way of raising money. The bonds will mature one day and have to be paid back.
State issued bonds = debt.

 

[HurleyHepsHird]

By issuing state issued bonds is a way of raising money. The bonds will mature one day and have to be paid back.
State issued bonds = debt.

Yes, and they don't go hocking them to China.

 

[Todman]

Yes, and they don't go hocking them to China.

He tried but Morrison stopped him.

Victoria’s Belt and Road deal with China torn up

Victoria’s controversial Belt and Road agreement with the Chinese government has been torn up, with the Morrison government ruling it falls foul of Australia’s national interest.

www.smh.com.au

 

[FredLeDeux]

He tried but Morrison stopped him.

Victoria’s Belt and Road deal with China torn up

Victoria’s controversial Belt and Road agreement with the Chinese government has been torn up, with the Morrison government ruling it falls foul of Australia’s national interest.

www.smh.com.au

If Scummo was agin it, I'm for it

 

[Todman]

If Scummo was agin it, I'm for it

Scomo wanted people to breathe.

 

[kalex6251]

^^^

and now the libs are in the awkward position of having to walk back their anti-china attacks to ensure their electoral survival

karma

 

[FredLeDeux]

Scomo wanted people to breathe.

But only if they paid a fee to the Liberal Party.

 

[adogsfan5]

If Scummo was agin it, I'm for it

It’s okay to not like Morrison, love Andrews and still think it was a good decision to scrap it.
It’s okay, you won’t be judged.

 

[FredLeDeux]

It's OK to utterly despise Scummo, not GAF about Andrews, and accept that it was simply pointless second-rate dog whistling to scrap it.
It’s okay, you won’t be judged.

EFA

 

[HurleyHepsHird]

He tried but Morrison stopped him.

Victoria’s Belt and Road deal with China torn up

Victoria’s controversial Belt and Road agreement with the Chinese government has been torn up, with the Morrison government ruling it falls foul of Australia’s national interest.

www.smh.com.au

wut

The liberal government encouraged the memorandum of understanding, before Morrison backflipped to drum up xenophobic populist support amongst the base.

However, this has zero to do with Victorian state government borrowings lmao.

 

[HurleyHepsHird]

EFA

And the "it" wasn't even a big deal.

The "it" was also bipartisan.

 

[Crankyhawk]

Scomo wanted people to breathe.

incorrect, he wanted people to stop breathing to join the rapture.

 

[Satan]

incorrect, he wanted people to stop breathing to join the rapture.

 

[Kwality]

utensil? am curious what the original word is (never had utensil appear via the filter before)

Hopefully I'm not special.

 

[Kwality]

Seriously, Andrews is the least of the problems with politics in Victoria. Am just happy to have an intelligent gov’t in charge. How lucky. The rest of them can take a hike.

See the ongoing credibility of VicPol for example.

 

[Kwality]

Yep - but I don’t think he’s even corrupt. I presume he plays some things a bit fast and loose, and goes by the ‘beg for forgiveness, don‘t ask for permission’ school, doesn’t tolerate much dissent, let’s some things go through to the keeper- but I suspect he is cleaner than most pollies. And yes- he gets stuff done.

& the people want 'a gets stuff done' Government.

 

[nut]

Where do you see this heading in the coming months?

Just keep printing money … no one seems to give a sh.t about debt anymore