Vic How would you rate Daniel Andrews' performance as Victorian Premier? - Part 7

[Pakenhamsaint]

Pretty easy to accidentally miss a small 40kph sign though

Depends on where. On the Monash they're hard to miss.

 

[Ned_Flanders]

Depends on where. On the Monash they're hard to miss.

I remember in the 90s cases like this didn't usually go too well. The courts needed some genuine issue to be causing the sign to be unreadable, and they held a pretty high bar.

 

[Pakenhamsaint]

I remember in the 90s cases like this didn't usually go too well. The courts needed some genuine issue to be causing the sign to be unreadable, and they held a pretty high bar.

Generally if it doesn't comply with the standard and the law it can be thrown out.

It's why the variable speed signs flash the way they do

 

[Ned_Flanders]

Generally if it doesn't comply with the standard and the law it can be thrown out.

It's why the variable speed signs flash the way they do

i think thats the point - after some were thrown out vicroads went out of its way to ensure all were compliant

even on speed cameras, there is a mountain of work that goes into their placement to ensure they cannot be kicked anymore

 

[Hoops]

Don’t forget that most of the people who bag conspiracy theorists also believe Rupert Murdoch controls the world

Is that another conspiracy?

 

[Chief]

Don’t forget that most of the people who bag conspiracy theorists also believe Rupert Murdoch controls the world

Was there a survey done?

 

[Sttew]

i think thats the point - after some were thrown out vicroads went out of its way to ensure all were compliant

even on speed cameras, there is a mountain of work that goes into their placement to ensure they cannot be kicked anymore

You do realise VicRoads is only responsible for about 15-20% of roads in the state?

 

[Opine]

Are you saying you will try and be more woke?

I was personally familiar with racial discrimination well before you woke up to its related injustice.

 

[Ned_Flanders]

You do realise VicRoads is only responsible for about 15-20% of roads in the state?

roads yes, but i understood the speeds on those roads was determined by vicroads policy - not individual councils

 

[randyzany]

Speaking of fines, I just got my first ever speeding fine today; by mail. Apparently I was doing 52 in a 40 zone on a freeway. I’ve no recollection of the incident; it was obviously some sort of reduced speed scenario involving road works or the like. $363, that’s my contribution towards the $1 billion plus flushed away along with a range of other wasted ALP initiatives.

I’m happy to contribute towards overcoming Vic’s mismanagement related budget shortfalls, but will need to do some reflection on how to avoid repeating such stupid driving error in future,

I'm curious whether this happened in the Monash or another freeway?

With all the construction taking place at the moment in the Monash, there are multiple sections of the road that have the 40kh reduced limit but barely any driver adheres to it with the most drivers going at around 60kh and some even faster. The part of the Monash that I use regularly doesn't have any mobile speed cameras, (the only one I'm aware of is around Berwick and I seldom need to drive that far into the south east), and the police supposedly, who from time to time pop up on overpasses and emergency lanes, don't take photos they just chase down drivers driving at excessive speeds, so here's hoping that they haven't changed that practice.

 

[Saint]

roads yes, but i understood the speeds on those roads was determined by vicroads policy - not individual councils

Councils need an MoU from VicRoads to implement a change in speeds from existing or from the pre-determined default.

Police also got to know the ways people were getting around the speeding fines and know where they can set up and not have the fines tossed.

Before a copper sets up or a speed camera sets up, they now have a procedure to make sure they document all the signs are correct and in place, they also check after (or are supposed to) as I understand it.

I get off parking fines all the time for various reasons related to this (but also because Council compliance with guidelines is terrible) (and by "all the time", I mean once every couple of years, I get a fine and it's usually because the signage is wrong enough to argue about).

 

[Carn The Berries]

roads yes, but i understood the speeds on those roads was determined by vicroads policy - not individual councils

That's correct - We have been trying to get a speed limit changed on our street and was told in no uncertain terms by the council that DoT have the final sign off on changes (which we are still waiting for after 18 months).

 

[Saint]

That's correct - We have been trying to get a speed limit changed on our street and was told in no uncertain terms by the council that DoT have the final sign off on changes (which we are still waiting for after 18 months).

Pro Tip: Write to your local MP and get them on-board. If they approach DoT directly (via the regional VicRoads office) you'll get a faster outcome.

It's easy to put stuff from average punters on the back-burner (you should see the amount of stuff they get). But those officers can't ignore state MP requests.

If they insist it has to come from Council, make sure the Councillor is on board and follows it up.

Also, the reason better be for safety and with some evidence or special reason not noise or amenity. It's going to safety officers who can toss anything that doesn't look like a decent safety reason (i.e. dust, noise, "hooning"). Most Melbourne Councils will also have speed compliance measures beyond just lowering the speed limit. Otherwise everyone will want a speed limit reduction (or increase!).

I had the signs near my kids' school reinstated (two signs were missing, but nobody would have known they were missing if they didn't know where they should have been) within a week of noticing it (moving in) and that was just as an average punter.

 

[CM86]

why is Ghost Patrol laughing at me getting a fine :-D

I dunno. Why did you try to get me banned?
Why do you, and users like you, keep trying to get me banned?
I'm also going to post a reaction to your post about getting a fine.

 

[CM86]

Hatred.

You’ve probably expressed some anti-Dan opinions at some stage.

Oh. Thanks for clearing that up.

 

[randyzany]

why is Ghost Patrol laughing at me getting a fine :-D

It's a troll-ish defensive mechanism for anything that's deemed to go against the 'progessive' nutjob narrative.

During the peak of the pandemic every time I dared criticize Disaster Dan for being an incompetent political animal for his hopeless handling of the pandemic I would either get abused or have my posts laughed at as a way of ridiculing perfectly valid and legitimate concerns about a politician that was clearly out of his depth.

I could do the same thing in the Morrison thread, reacting with LMAO emoticons to the thousands of posts bitching and wailing about the Liberals in that thread, but I got better things to do than that.

 

[CM86]

It's a troll-ish defensive mechanism for anything that's deemed to go against the 'progessive' nutjob narrative.

During the peak of the pandemic every time I dared criticize Disaster Dan for being an incompetent political animal for his hopeless handling of the pandemic I would either get abused or have my posts laughed at as a way of ridiculing perfectly valid and legitimate concerns about a politician that was clearly out of his depth.

I could do the same thing in the Morrison thread, reacting with LMAO emoticons to the thousands of posts bitching and wailing about the Liberals in that thread, but I got better things to do than that.

What if you're wrong?

What if your posts were bitching and wailing about Andrews. And you were dismissive of valid and legitimate concerns around Morrison?


Do you have an example to support your statement?

 

[randyzany]

What if you're wrong?

What if your posts were bitching and wailing about Andrews. And you were dismissive of valid and legitimate concerns around Morrison?


Do you have an example to support your statement?

Hard to believe that every major criticism of Disaster's handling of the pandemic was 'wrong' given that no other state premier came close to his bungling of it.

I'm not going back months to find an example of it, you can do it yourself by going that far back and finding emoticon reactions from LWNJ posters to comments critical of Vic Labor and Disaster during this time.

Anyway it didn't just happen to me, (I only posted a few times) it happened to every poster that didn't toe the line about blaming the need for the multiple Melbourne lockdowns on the Feds and Morrison rather than on the real culprit, Disaster Dan, who had no qualms in hiring low skilled employees, many who were migrants and blatantly obvious he was politicising the situation to garner votes in the migrant community, to oversee a delicate operation that demanded the very best.

Disaster talked about that no life was worth playing a round of golf, buying a pair of sneakers, etc... all the while he was treating the running of the quarantine operations as if it were some second rate night club or festival in Woop Woop.

Absolute dogturd of a human being, the only redeeming feature that he has in the eyes of the LWNJ is that he espouses and promotes the delusional woke nonsense (toxic feminism, insidious pro trans agenda, Christianophobia , etc...) that the Green loonies love so much, therefore they overlook his failings as a politician because of it.

 

[Gralin]

It's a troll-ish defensive mechanism for anything that's deemed to go against the 'progessive' nutjob narrative.

During the peak of the pandemic every time I dared criticize Disaster Dan for being an incompetent political animal for his hopeless handling of the pandemic I would either get abused or have my posts laughed at as a way of ridiculing perfectly valid and legitimate concerns about a politician that was clearly out of his depth.

I could do the same thing in the Morrison thread, reacting with LMAO emoticons to the thousands of posts bitching and wailing about the Liberals in that thread, but I got better things to do than that.

i dunno man, I mean I've seen some absolutely cooked takes in this thread that are worth laughing at because the alternative is crying at the stupidity of people

 

[Gralin]

Hard to believe that every major criticism of Disaster's handling of the pandemic was 'wrong' given that no other state premier came close to his bungling of it.

I'm not going back months to find an example of it, you can do it yourself by going that far back and finding emoticon reactions from LWNJ posters to comments critical of Vic Labor and Disaster during this time.

Anyway it didn't just happen to me, (I only posted a few times) it happened to every poster that didn't toe the line about blaming the need for the multiple Melbourne lockdowns on the Feds and Morrison rather Disaster who had no qualms in hiring low skilled employees, many who were migrants and blatantly obvious he was politicising the situation to garner votes in the migrant community, to oversee a delicate operation that demanded the very best.

Disaster talked about that no life was worth playing a round of gold, a pair of sneakers, etc... all the while he was treating the running of the quarantine operations as if it were some second rate night club or festival in Woop Woop.

Absolute dogturd of a human being, the only redeeming feature that he has in the eyes of the LWNJ is that he espouses and promotes the delusional woke nonsense (toxic feminism, insidious pro trans agenda, Christianophobia , etc...) that the Green loonies love so much, therefore they overlook his failings as a politician because of it.

Ah yes I called him disaster or dictator and then ranted some argument put forth in a murdoch rag or on a Craig Kelly segment on Alan Jones show and then people made fun of me

did you also get on the Avi is a legit journalist bandwagon during the cooker protests?

 

[CM86]

Hard to believe that every major criticism of Disaster's handling of the pandemic was 'wrong' given that no other state premier came close to his bungling of it.

I'm not going back months to find an example of it, you can do it yourself by going that far back and finding emoticon reactions from LWNJ posters to comments critical of Vic Labor and Disaster during this time.

Anyway it didn't just happen to me, (I only posted a few times) it happened to every poster that didn't toe the line about blaming the need for the multiple Melbourne lockdowns on the Feds and Morrison rather than on the real culprit, Disaster Dan, who had no qualms in hiring low skilled employees, many who were migrants and blatantly obvious he was politicising the situation to garner votes in the migrant community, to oversee a delicate operation that demanded the very best.

Disaster talked about that no life was worth playing a round of golf, a pair of sneakers, etc... all the while he was treating the running of the quarantine operations as if it were some second rate night club or festival in Woop Woop.

Absolute dogturd of a human being, the only redeeming feature that he has in the eyes of the LWNJ is that he espouses and promotes the delusional woke nonsense (toxic feminism, insidious pro trans agenda, Christianophobia , etc...) that the Green loonies love so much, therefore they overlook his failings as a politician because of it.

No, there is plenty of legitimate major and minor criticisms of Dan Andrews. People don't tend to be laughed at or 'attacked' just for expressing them.

Just the two posts of yours I've responded to, (this one and the previous), gives me the impression that you don't just give legitimate criticisms, but that you use emotive language, hyperbole, and vague smears to create an over-arching narrative of how he is a "dogturd of a human being", without actually going into much detail on anything.
Surface level stuff that can be, and is, used for barracking. (Done by both 'sides', including by me).


It's like posters who complain they were thread banned just for 'asking a question'. It's almost never true, and there is much more to the story.

 

[Ghost Patrol]

I was personally familiar with racial discrimination well before you woke up to its related injustice.

Sure. You were obviously first at everything and know more than everyone.

 

[Kwality]

Is that another conspiracy?

Given Murdoch has been a go to excuse for the past few years, its bloody widespread IF its a conpiracy by people who get their news on the taxpayer.

 

[CM86]

Given Murdoch has been a go to excuse for the past few years, its bloody widespread IF its a conpiracy by people who get their news on the taxpayer.

What's one example of "Murdoch" being a "go to excuse"?

 

[randyzany]

Ah yes I called him disaster or dictator and then ranted some argument put forth in a murdoch rag or on a Craig Kelly segment on Alan Jones show and then people made fun of me

did you also get on the Avi is a legit journalist bandwagon during the cooker protests?

No, there is plenty of legitimate major and minor criticisms of Dan Andrews. People don't tend to be laughed at or 'attacked' just for expressing them.

Just the two posts of yours I've responded to, (this one and the previous), gives me the impression that you don't just give legitimate criticisms, but that you use emotive language, hyperbole, and vague smears to create an over-arching narrative of how he is a "dogturd of a human being", without actually going into much detail on anything.
Surface level stuff that can be, and is, used for barracking. (Done by both 'sides', including by me).


It's like posters who complain they were thread banned just for 'asking a question'. It's almost never true, and there is much more to the story.

Well since it was only Newscorp that was prepared to dig into how quarantine was being managed, that is incredibly ineptly, it’s the basically the only sources available that give any sort of meaningful detail about how predictably it all went **** up.

Pretty convenient just to dismiss that investigative journalism team out of hand on that basis (evil biased Murdoch media out to get Labuh) when all the other news sources where pathetically at pains to lay the blame somewhere else entirely or were completely silent and passive about doing some actual serious investigative work in really finding out what led to the Melbourne quarantine leaks and the inevitable spread.

Oh no Channel 9, Fairfax and abc were far too busy going along with the preferred Andrews and Labor narrative that it was Melburnians lack of compliance to draconian lockdown rules that were to blame for the subsequent covid leaks and spread or pin it on Morrison and the Liberals when that angle wasn’t getting any traction. Funny that the other states, both Liberal and Labor, didn’t have the same issues on quarantine incompetence.

And this was after articles had been published in June of 2020 that asserted that Melburnians were by far the best in Australia to abide by social distancing rules at the time.

Whether you like it or not, it can’t be denied that Andrews hired security contractors based on reasons that did not have containing covid as the number one priority for a very delicate once in a century operation.

Instead Andrews politicized the pandemic and prioritized handing out contracts for quarantine to security companies with links to Labor (lining the pockets of Labor mates with tax payer monies) that were supposedly owned by minorities/indigenous individuals (dubiously so as the so-called indigenous owner looked overwhelmingly Anglo), and that went on to hire low skilled migrant workers.

Andrews paid millions for monkeys to oversee quarantine security but most of that money certainly didn’t go into the pockets of poorly paid frontline staff that in many cases had zero training in regards to effective quarantine management. Geez I wonder where those millions went? Labor at the end of the day is not that different to the Libs, they’re not opposed to sticking their snouts in the trough when the opportunity presents itself.

I have to handed to Andrews, that boy doesn’t waste any opportunity to promote himself and his party with tax payers monies. I have to admit that he is a very shrewd operator in that sense, ticking all the right demographic boxes that would appease his feral LWNJ woke base and possibly win more voters for upcoming elections in the process.

Sadly that ability doesn’t extend to other more crucial and pivotal areas of politics as he is completely hopeless at it evidenced by how many times Melbourne had to go into lockdowns compared to every other major city in Australia.