Vic How would you rate Daniel Andrews' performance as Victorian Premier? - Part 7

[Kwality]

Put up a parking lot: Why these new transmission projects will fail wind and solar​

Victoria has added more large-scale renewable electricity generation than any other State over the last decade.

The Government has also set targets, which it has said it will legislate, that 65% of Victoria’s electricity generation must be from renewable sources by 2030, and 95% by 2035.

Two new transmission projects, known as WRL-VNI, will be by far the biggest transmission project in Victoria in 50 years. Will they deliver outcomes that are consistent with these targets?

AEMO’s Consultation Report on WRL-WNI says that it expects that when WRL construction starts next year, Victoria will have a little over 6 GW of grid scale wind and solar generation (“variable renewable electricity – VRE” for short).

By 2030, with WRL complete and VNI under construction, AEMO says that Victoria will have a a little under 8 GW of grid scale VRE.

Put up a parking lot: Why these new transmission projects will fail wind and solar

There is a chasm between what advocates say new transmission links will do in western Victoria and what it will actually do – turn it into an electrical “parking lot”.

reneweconomy.com.au

When the pro renewables lobby are questioning, its time to look past Minister Lil' - plenty more detail in the link.

 

[Not Important]

Not sure where I raised what you suggest. The public service certainly provided Baillieu and Napthine would independent advice save for a few porfolios where individual ministers meddled. Certainly DPC was not the extension of the PPO it is now. I don't have first hand knowledge of what went on under the Coalition Government before that, but from what I read Kennett was very hands on and that obviously had consequences inside the public service which can be construed as good or bad. Only now is the public service reverting to the bloated middle shape it had before Kennett arrived, so I would concede there were pros and cons while IMO being an overall benefit to the operation of government.

I've also worked as a Ministerial Advisor where the office ran properly and advisors were not given (or tried to take) full reign. Senior advisors were from the department. Everyone who worked there was an adult. As I initially said: it can be done, I've seen it done, I'm not holding my breath, but I'd trust Albanese before Andrews on this front.

not so conversant with baillieu and nathine. but by the time of their ascension, the vic public service had been stacked and advisors had grown exponentially. a person i know who was a member of the libs and for a time the branch rep on the state council was positive about baillieu. thought he was treated poorly.

the allegations i have heard about the kennett years were he had a short attention span, and his main focus was on what would gain him the most media attention. and that stockers and gude did the hard detailed yards. there's a person who was on kennett's personal staff, who is active on the twitter sphere, and who has written extensively about his time as an advisor. that is worth reading.

also, it's worth looking at the success or otherwise of kennett in business post his political time. even during it with knf advertising. comparing it with stockers might also be enlightening.

frankly, i wouldn't be boasting about the libs decimating the public service. know peeps who worked in the health sector, in rehab in particular, who are scathing at what the libs did to health. cost lives in their estimation. i'm not suggesting some slimming wasn't required but they carpet-bombed the public service.

i thought your comparison re reducing advisors was between andrews and morrison. agree, albo is more likely to be prudent than andrews.

 

[Chief]

although the westminster system calls for it, it is impossible for ministers - particularly in large portfolios - to be across all matters.

Running the place isn't just knowing everything. It's picking the right people and getting the right policies and procedures in place. Setting an example. Inspiring loyalty.

 

[Not Important]

Running the place isn't just knowing everything. It's picking the right people and getting the right policies and procedures in place. Setting an example. Inspiring loyalty.

can’t disagree with any of that. recall in a reg ansett biography him saying he attributed his business success to surrounding himself with the best and brightest. not that it ended well btw.

politics, however, is a different beast. personal ambition and party loyalty trumps all else. wouldn’t it be lovely (there’s a song there ) if we had a system where peeps with intellectual acuity and who are not constrained by party political dogma were inspired to take on politics? whose sole driver was the best interests of the country and the peeps in it? peeps who surrounded themselves not with like-minded party apparatchiks but peeps with the most acute analytical brains, problem solvers, and visionaries.

it’s a valid argument. however, i tried to move to utopia but couldn’t find the passport.

 

[The Punter]

Baillieu ran in 2010 on a manifesto of reducing the number of ministerial advisors and also reducing spending on political advertising, then got elected and did both of those things. Total Minstaff went from around 220 to 150 (now at about 350). Both contributed to his downfall.

 

[Not Important]

such is the state of your party The Punter. and when mentioning ‘treacherous’ there’s wilson still doing his ‘stuff’. perhaps more baillieu's

 

[Chief]

Yes! Send all LNP to WA so the real honest salt of the Earth true Australian folk don't have to see them ever again.

 

[Saint]

Baillieu ran in 2010 on a manifesto of reducing the number of ministerial advisors and also reducing spending on political advertising, then got elected and did both of those things. Total Minstaff went from around 220 to 150 (now at about 350). Both contributed to his downfall.

I think sometimes the Libs get so obsessed with cutting staff that they don't realise this hobbles their ability to actually do anything.

SO they cut staff, then they go to do things and can't get anything done, or it's half-arsd.

 

[Chief]

hobbles their ability to actually do anything

They can still rort the taxpayer. That's what they are here for.

 

[wizcapper]

Ombudsman slams premier’s response to ‘damning’ IBAC report

Outgoing Victorian Ombudsman Deborah Glass says Daniel Andrews’ response to the Operation Daintree report “says a lot about the premier’s views on corruption and integrity”.

www.theage.com.au

Yeah, but ted ballieu, cutting staff, libs... blah, blah, blah.

 

[The Punter]

Ombudsman slams premier’s response to ‘damning’ IBAC report

Outgoing Victorian Ombudsman Deborah Glass says Daniel Andrews’ response to the Operation Daintree report “says a lot about the premier’s views on corruption and integrity”.

www.theage.com.au

Yeah, but ted ballieu, cutting staff, libs... blah, blah, blah.

This woman is entitled to her view.

 

[adogsfan5]

Not happy Deb!

 

[Saint]

This woman is entitled to her view.

I think everyone who takes an even cursory look at the state of integrity in Australian (and indeed Victorian) politics thinks it stinks.

It's been clearly a bipartisan effort over many decades to make it so.

It's why so many are moving to the "other". By the time too many people have gone to the "other" (Conservatives to Teals, progressives to Greens), it'll be too late to change course and the ALP and LNP will be embroiled in scandal after scandal as soon as they lose their collective power.

The thing about the demise of the LNP is that it's masking the continued demise of the ALP.

I might go away and have a wishful think about a Greens/Teal Govt which might break up the duopoly.

Just like Coles and Woolies, the ALP and LNP might compete hard against each other, but they hate losing duopoly power more.

 

[The Punter]

I think everyone who takes an even cursory look at the state of integrity in Australian (and indeed Victorian) politics thinks it stinks.

It's been clearly a bipartisan effort over many decades to make it so.

It's why so many are moving to the "other". By the time too many people have gone to the "other" (Conservatives to Teals, progressives to Greens), it'll be too late to change course and the ALP and LNP will be embroiled in scandal after scandal as soon as they lose their collective power.

The thing about the demise of the LNP is that it's masking the continued demise of the ALP.

I might go away and have a wishful think about a Greens/Teal Govt which might break up the duopoly.

Just like Coles and Woolies, the ALP and LNP might compete hard against each other, but they hate losing duopoly power more.

That is all well and good, but specifically Daniel Andrews publicly refers to qualified experts like Deborah Glass in this way, in his very effective way of minimising any criticism of him. Andrews is head and shoulders above others in frequency and effectiveness of this rhetorical tactic, which is what I was specifically referring to (in a thread about Daniel Andrews) and I think it can reasonably be expected that, in this sense, his behaviour should be assessed in way that does not lend itself to whataboutism.

 

[fs88]

I think everyone who takes an even cursory look at the state of integrity in Australian (and indeed Victorian) politics thinks it stinks.

It's been clearly a bipartisan effort over many decades to make it so.

It's why so many are moving to the "other". By the time too many people have gone to the "other" (Conservatives to Teals, progressives to Greens), it'll be too late to change course and the ALP and LNP will be embroiled in scandal after scandal as soon as they lose their collective power.

The thing about the demise of the LNP is that it's masking the continued demise of the ALP.

I might go away and have a wishful think about a Greens/Teal Govt which might break up the duopoly.

Just like Coles and Woolies, the ALP and LNP might compete hard against each other, but they hate losing duopoly power more.

Being a blindly loyal Liberal/Labor voter is similar to being in a Religious cult. Looking forward to their primaries dropping below 20%.

 

[Not Important]

I think sometimes the Libs get so obsessed with cutting staff that they don't realise this hobbles their ability to actually do anything.

SO they cut staff, then they go to do things and can't get anything done, or it's half-arsd.

haven't those dispensed with largely been sent packing for deserved reasons?

 

[Not Important]

Being a blindly loyal Liberal/Labor voter is similar to being in a Religious cult. Looking forward to their primaries dropping below 20%.

now there's a stretch.

 

[Saint]

That is all well and good, but specifically Daniel Andrews publicly refers to qualified experts like Deborah Glass in this way, in his very effective way of minimising any criticism of him. Andrews is head and shoulders above others in frequency and effectiveness of this rhetorical tactic, which is what I was specifically referring to (in a thread about Daniel Andrews) and I think it can reasonably be expected that, in this sense, his behaviour should be assessed in way that does not lend itself to whataboutism.

Yeah, so I said, we should toss Lib/Lab out and go for parties/members that value integrity. That's not whataboutism. Whataboutism would be defending what Andrews said, which I didn't do at all.

Third parties is the only practical solution to corruption. Corruption by another party doesn't solve corruption.

I guess if your only lens is "let's use this to turf Andrews and get the Libs in" then it could be seen that way.

If you think integrity is a message that the LNP could sell after running Matt Guy as leader for two elections, then you're kidding yourself.

 

[Saint]

haven't those dispensed with largely been sent packing for deserved reasons?

It's very easy to find reasons to sack senior public servants. They've been doing what Ministers have been telling them to do and telling Ministers what they want to hear.

 

[Not Important]

It's very easy to find reasons to sack senior public servants. They've been doing what Ministers have been telling them to do and telling Ministers what they want to hear.

i wasn’t referencing public servants. it was party peeps as was the case in the w.a issue which was the source of the conversation.

 

[Saint]

i wasn’t referencing public servants. it was party peeps as was the case in the w.a issue which was the source of the conversation.

Oh yes, imagine hiring a party hack who got the sack from being a party hack in another state. I bet he convinced them it was all due to factions and not because of his incompetence.

 

[HurleyHepsHird]

It's hard to lament the deterioration of Ministerial responsibility over the last 25-30 years and not also believe that Ministers should be held responsible for the conduct of the people they hire to work for them. This "it was the advisors" is a total copout.

And yet, IBAC found no evidence for Andrews or senior ministerial culpability.

 

[Art Vandelay_]

Not happy Deb!

Not on Dan's christmas card list this year that's for sure.

 

[Kwality]

I think everyone who takes an even cursory look at the state of integrity in Australian (and indeed Victorian) politics thinks it stinks.

It's been clearly a bipartisan effort over many decades to make it so.

It's why so many are moving to the "other". By the time too many people have gone to the "other" (Conservatives to Teals, progressives to Greens), it'll be too late to change course and the ALP and LNP will be embroiled in scandal after scandal as soon as they lose their collective power.

The thing about the demise of the LNP is that it's masking the continued demise of the ALP.

I might go away and have a wishful think about a Greens/Teal Govt which might break up the duopoly.

Just like Coles and Woolies, the ALP and LNP might compete hard against each other, but they hate losing duopoly power more.

Integrity failed under ScoMo & he wore it at the election with those votes going to the Teals, not Labor.

Victorian Ombudsman slams Premier's reaction to 'damning' report - ABC listen

Ombudsman Deborah Glass says Daniel Andrews' reaction to the report "speaks volumes for his views on integrity and corruption" and "not accepting there are damning findings in the report is disappointing".

www.abc.net.au

The Victorian Ombudsman has slammed Premier Daniel Andrews for referring to the damning Operation Daintree report as "educational".

Ombudsman Deborah Glass says Daniel Andrews' reaction to the report "speaks volumes for his views on integrity and corruption" and "not accepting there are damning findings in the report is disappointing".

 

[Not Important]

This woman is entitled to her view.

yes, but my recollection is that ombudspeople have remained out of the political fray by using reports to the parliament as a means of drawing attention to issues of concern. this one appears to be taken with drawing attention to herself publicly thereby becoming a player.