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Vic How would you rate Daniel Andrews' performance as Victorian Premier? - Part 7
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Every state had issues - we were locked down over a pizza box for 4 days. Ludicrous.
Only the Vic govt repeated the mistakes.
IIRC Vic Health gave out the wrong Woolworths store as the exposure sight.
And it wasn’t a quarantine breach - the man had been in quarantine and tested positive after.
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Rubbish
Vic chose to contract out the hotel quarantine security
Dans decision - one he can’t remember making lol - 768 people died.
“This time last year, the nation was riveted by the Victorian COVID-19 Hotel Quarantine Inquiry, launched to determine the cause of the state’s disastrous second COVID wave. The outbreak led to 768 deaths and a 111-day lockdown of Melbourne.
It didn’t take long before a problem revealed itself. It was not at all clear who made the decision to “contract out” the hotel quarantine enforcement to private security providers, which is what led to the virus seeping into the community.”
A year after the Victoria hotel quarantine inquiry, one significant question remains unanswered
‘Contracting out’ government functions for delivery by the private sector has become the standard way of doing things across all levels of government in Australia.theconversation.com
It’s been standard practice for years for the vic ps to contract out security. Would have needed a decision not to contract out security
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Then why the complete debacle ?
If it’s usual practice, where did it go so wrong in Vic ?
We had the Police in charge here IIRC
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They’re was incompetence, but the media focus on ‘who made the decision’ was so fake it’s not funny
And even the police employ private security guards also Melbourne and Sydney arrivals dwarf the other states combined
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Hang on - people were dying. The virus was running rampant. Somebody was responsible and making bad decisions.
Of course the media should have tried to find out who was running the show.
And the people running the show in SA was Nicola Spurier and Grant Stevens - who imposed a lockdown the week of his daughter’s wedding.
Honestly.
Whilst your first statement is technically true, I didn't see any Federal government, Labour or Liberal, going out of their way to build mass quarantine facilities for a 1 in 100 year pandemic. Howard Springs was about the only one and that wasn't even built for quarantine originally and is now closed.
Hotel quarantine was a good idea if practiced well and most states practiced well. Andrews on the other hand saw it as an opportunity to filter some of our hard earned into the pockets of his security guard mates.
Andrews then had the light bulb moment of using correctional officers, which meant the DOJCS had to try and recruit thousands of correctional officers who were presumably out of work waiting by their phone waiting for such a call...
The Commonwealth spent $580 mill on a quarantine facility at Mickleham that is now closed, having dealt with a whopping 2168 residents. NSW did more than that every month at hotels even when it was a major problem before vaccines.
Howard Springs had no breaches, but most hotels had no beaches either. Having multiple Howard Springs / Mickleham facilities would not guarantee that there would be no breaches. For mine, hotel quarantine is not actually a good alternative to high cost official quarantine facilities that mostly sit as white elephants, it should IMHO be policy for such a pandemic. Scommo deserves a lot of flack for a lot of things, but this ain't one of them.
Hotel quarintine is not proper quartining. Doesn't matter what kind of security you put there. The virus doesn't care about what security or politics you have in place.
The Australian government could've saved a lot of money, heartache and lockdowns if it built purposely built quartining facilities from that start.
The Australian government could've saved a lot of money, heartache and lockdowns if it built purposely built quartining facilities from that start.
So they just click their fingers and they’re built, or do returning travellers need to stay away for the 12-18 months lead in?
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Hotel quarantine a good idea? In the end people going in uninfected came out infected. That’s when people realised it was dumb
And once in 100 years epidemic? For a good part of those 100 years there were purpose built facilities. But the 80s neo economic rationalist shut them down or failed to replace them
And once in 100 years epidemic? For a good part of those 100 years there were purpose built facilities. But the 80s neo economic rationalist shut them down or failed to replace them
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Anyway if anything voters punished Morrison over state premiers
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Firstly , if you’re going to use the word three times try spellcheck! It’s quarantine. Secondly, it’s so easy to say with the benefit of hindsight the Feds should have built quarantine facilities, but who knew back then how this was going to unfold, and as FIGJAM questioned, what was meant to happen while the facilities were being built?
HQ would have worked if the security guards had observed safety protocols. They weren’t even security guards on the state government panel of accredited security companies
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The federal government should have closed the borders, then chosen half a dozen sites then get the army to set the facilities up. It could all have been done in 1 to 2 months.
You build purpose built quartining facilities fairly quickly, quicker than you probably realise. I could envisage in a few weeks. You don't really need to spend too much time with training staff if you move current medical staff to these facilities.
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Mickleham took 8 months
You’ve been watching too many reruns of M*A*SH!
Who knew? Many of us knew, people like me. We'd recommended immediate construction of quarntine facilities as early as February of 2020 but the government's ignored it given the costs. They eventually went and built one years later.
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Yes, however if you started with basic facilities, the government could have started returning oversea travelers within a few weeks.
Morrison said he expected it to take about 18 months and he was proven right on that.
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Quartine facilities? What do they do?
Yes 8 months is too long. There is no point taking that long to stop a deadly pandemic. If you took 8 months to prepare quarntine facilities for every novel deadly pandemic you're going to kill millions of people everytime.
How basic?
Shared bathroom facilities that will see potentially sick people cross paths?
A mess hall with direct to tent delivery?
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