Is time Australia went Republic.

[Hawk Dork]

Barbados is to build a transatlantic slavery museum with the largest collection of British slave records outside the UK, the island’s prime minister has announced days after the country cut ties with the monarchy to become a republic.

The facility, designed by British architect Sir David Adjaye, will include a research institute dedicated to telling the story of slavery and its global impact.


It is expected to be situated at Newton Slave Burial Ground in Christ Church, just outside of the capital Bridgetown, which is the largest and earliest slave burial ground discovered in Barbados. Sir David will also design a memorial commemorating these victims.

Barbados to build slavery museum after cutting ties with British monarchy

Island has second largest collection of slave records after the UK.

www.independent.co.uk

 

[utility]

Hands up all those calling for a republic that have read Quick & Garran or even Blackstone?

"It's the vibe" doesn't really cut it.

 

[james brayshaw]

Not that I've done much research in to what the implications are but is it honestly going to change the day to day lives of Australian's or is it just giving a new topic of conversation to the woke among us?

Pretty much this. A lot of cost for no real benefit.

This is like saying you should continue to drink your mothers breast milk, despite being old enough to support yourself. it's cheaper and you still get your nutritional requirements.

 

[footyfan1978]

It was time 20 years ago except the moron that was John Howard thwarted it.

Bingo!!!!
But also highlighted how dumb the average voter is to let a moron lead them to where he wanted to take them... exactly where they were...

 

[Hawk Dork]

Malcolm Truffles on the night of the referendum


"To those Republicans who voted No, thinking they will soon get another chance to vote, I’m afraid you have been had.
Nothing would please me more than for there to be another early chance to vote for a republic, but the people who made those promises to you will do nothing to keep them.

As the years roll on without a republic, do not forget, never forget, who told you to vote No, with the promise of a referendum for a directly elected president.

A promise they never ever intended to keep."

Malcolm Turnbull: "Fighting for the republic in John Howard’s Australia has been gruelling and heartbreaking", ARM concession, Referendum defeat - 1999 — Speakola

6 November 1999, Sydney, Australia

speakola.com

 

[adelaidecrows]

I not only think its time Australia became a republic but I believe the British Government need to disband the monarchy and consign it to history as the useless relic it is.

I don't see why tax payers should be made to pay millions for glorified charity workers. If William has an ounce of care factor for his kids he'd get out like Harry did. let them live a normal life.

 

[Xtreme]

We need to get all of our ducks in a row (COVID, SCOMO, Dictator Dan etc etc) before we even remotely consider ditching The Queen, Charles and Prince Willy!!!

 

[Fabab]

Maybe you lot should arrange protests and marches.Seems to be the way these days.

 

[Hawk Dork]

Maybe you lot should arrange protests and marches.Seems to be the way these days.

Do you have a flag suggestion ?

 

[Soviet Reaper Dragon]

The very reason why The Wise amongst us voted "No" to a Republic at the 1999 Referendum was that they knew full well that Australia was not yet ready to understand the complexities of establishing a Republic in terms of the civil wars that it would ignite had we gone down that route in 1999. The Australian People in 2021 are only just now realising how brainwashed we have been by the mainstream media and led into foreign wars by different factional politicians. Look no further than covid for case-in-point.

If the stupid majority had of voted "yes" in 1999 then the old enemy the french would have been able to stage a second french revolution via pitting leaderless factions against each other in multiple civil wars and then guillotine via covert means those of us who did not go along with them and establish an empire out of this country just like they did to france.

When we are ready to become an Australian Republic, then it needs to be a Soviet-Style Republic established by our own Lenin because that was the model of Revolution which was successful in winning over The Bolshevik (majority in Russian) of The Russian People including The Police and The Military precisely because Lenin was a man loved by The Russian People as he was a true leader, in stark contrast to the french revolution where the leaderless and covert organisations like the jacobins and the french directory installed napoleon as a front man so that they could rule france and the territories it considered it's client states through his army.

 

[Fabab]

Do you have a flag suggestion ?

We already have a great flag.

 

[Hawk Dork]

We already have a great flag.

Which one ?
The boxing Kangaroo ?

 

[Caesar]

This is like saying you should continue to drink your mothers breast milk, despite being old enough to support yourself. it's cheaper and you still get your nutritional requirements.

Constitutional monarchies have historically proven to be the most stable form of democracy

Not saying I am categorically against a republic but I’m not particularly motivated to change by emotional arguments

 

[A Victorian Sport]

Republics are bad because the average person is extremely unintelligent. It creates individuality which is bad when you have a lot of dumb people. etc banned stem cell research, bill gates microchip etc and you get governments that pander to that.

A socialist & secular dictatorship is probably what's best for humanity.

 

[utility]

A socialist & secular dictatorship is probably what's best for humanity.

Socialism will eventually destroy every society that embraces it. Dictators have a pretty good track record of doing the same.

Not sure how that stacks up for 'humanity'.

 

[james brayshaw]

Constitutional monarchies have historically proven to be the most stable form of democracy

Not saying I am categorically against a republic but I’m not particularly motivated to change by emotional arguments

Constitutional monarchies have a history of overseeing colonialism and oppression throughout the world. Just because it worked in the past does not mean it is the way forward. Think about the percentage of immigrants living in this country and the countries that they come from, I can assure you a large portion of them come from countries that were oppressed by the crown.

 

[Richard Cranium]

Sure, plenty of activities require you to demonstrate a knowledge and understanding before you're permitted to do it.

We could run courses like they do for the citizenship exams, the point is to help people's understanding of the sysyem, not prevent them from voting. It could have a very beneficial effect on that state of democracy in this country, it's not like a criticial review of Das Kapital is required, just questions about passages of bills, MPs in the upper and lower house, stuff that anyone who votes should know.

"We'd be helping people not as educated as me"

lol

 

[Catfish Alley]

This is like saying you should continue to drink your mothers breast milk, despite being old enough to support yourself. it's cheaper and you still get your nutritional requirements.

I'm open to hearing all the benefits it would provide. I don't think I've heard anything significant. A President and a new flag doesn't seem worth it at all. Maybe there is a better government/legal system to adopt though.

 

[The Passenger]

Sure, plenty of activities require you to demonstrate a knowledge and understanding before you're permitted to do it.

We could run courses like they do for the citizenship exams, the point is to help people's understanding of the sysyem, not prevent them from voting. It could have a very beneficial effect on that state of democracy in this country, it's not like a criticial review of Das Kapital is required, just questions about passages of bills, MPs in the upper and lower house, stuff that anyone who votes should know.

Don't dislike the theory but I think the application would just see a significant chunk of the population simply not bother to vote.

I think if you offered a couple of hundreds bucks as a tax rebate for doing a few hours of a civics course would be a better direction to take. No doubt you'll get some scammers, but I think you'd have enough take up to end up with a net positive.

 

[Gralin]

Sure, plenty of activities require you to demonstrate a knowledge and understanding before you're permitted to do it.

We could run courses like they do for the citizenship exams, the point is to help people's understanding of the sysyem, not prevent them from voting. It could have a very beneficial effect on that state of democracy in this country, it's not like a criticial review of Das Kapital is required, just questions about passages of bills, MPs in the upper and lower house, stuff that anyone who votes should know.

How do we keep the party of the day out of the curriculum?
How do we deal with CALD and people with disabilities

Who teaches and how do we vet them?

really this s**t should be part of the high school curriculum but we know from Tudge that he just wants patriotic little nationalists that will mine coal and fight in wars and vote against Indigenous rights

 

[Kwality]

Bingo!!!!
But also highlighted how dumb the average voter is to let a moron lead them to where he wanted to take them... exactly where they were...

The promoters were hopeless ... from the 'how to lose' playbook.
I voted for a Republic but understand why it failed.

Imagine expecting it to get up if FitzSimmons were to lead it.

 

[footyfan1978]

I not only think its time Australia became a republic but I believe the British Government need to disband the monarchy and consign it to history as the useless relic it is.

The Poms are not going to do that. So deeply embedded in their history that it might take another 100 years of different thinking before they even approach that.

 

[adelaidecrows]

The Poms are not going to do that. So deeply embedded in their history that it might take another 100 years of different thinking before they even approach that.

Actually that's not true. Politicians in british parliament clearly hate the waste of tax payer money. Charles had to negotiate to even give them enough to cover the basics. A lot of royals will no longer be tax payer funded. Only the immediate line.

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[adelaidecrows]

Actually that's not true. Politicians in british parliament clearly hate the waste of tax payer money. Charles had to negotiate to even give them enough to cover the basics. A lot of royals will no longer be tax payer funded. Only the immediate line.

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I don't know why you are laughing. This is legit. It was all over the news.

 

[Scotland]

I'm open to hearing all the benefits it would provide. I don't think I've heard anything significant. A President and a new flag doesn't seem worth it at all. Maybe there is a better government/legal system to adopt though.

There are plenty of republics that are still part of the Commonwealth.

South Africa, Botswana, India, Bangladesh, Pakistan, Singapore etc. Would these countries be better off with Queen Elizabeth II as their head of state? I don't see anyone arguing for a return to British rule for these countries.

Realistically out of all the countries that make up the Commonwealth, it's only Canada, UK, NZ and Singapore that have comparable standards of living to Australia so people will argue that being a republic doesn't have a material effect.

I'm a firm believer that we don't need to throw the baby out with the bathwater. Our system of govt is pretty good (our quality of politicians not so much), so change is effectively defining the role and responsibilities of the G-G and how they are (s)elected. It's not like we need to start from scratch and bin the Westminster system and start introducing electoral colleges and putting Trump2024 stickers on our bumpers.

Europe is all over the place. Portugal republic. Spain monarchy. France Italy Germany Austria Switzerland republic. Netherlands Belgium Norway Sweden Denmark monarchy. Finland Iceland republic. Etc. There's no hard and fast rule that having a monarch is good or bad, unless you have an absolute monarchy in which case * that. The key difference for Australia, NZ, Canada etc. is that they all share a monarch 10,000 miles away from where they are. There's a King of Sweden, Denmark, Norway etc. and those are independent countries. If they all shared the King of Malaysia as their head of state people would find that weird - but that's kinda what we do. If Australia wanted to be Bermuda or something cool, but we aren't a British Overseas Territory.