Its Time For Trigg To Resign.

[Sanders]

Your understanding of the word "fact" is comical. Your opinion is not fact - actually, it's completely and utterly wrong 9 times out of 10.

OK, lets put aside your napolean complex for one minute:

Which of these 2 statements do you consider facts, and if so, It would be good if you could provide a basis other than "I think"

1. The tippetts proposed the offending clause
2. Trigg cancelled the clause and just didn't put it in writing?

all the hectoring doesn't enhance your argument, only evidence can do that.

 

[Sanders]

http://www.adelaidenow.com.au/sport...ager-phil-harper/story-e6frecoc-1226588221445

Interesting article and good to see some honesty from Harper. But what it does blow away is the bullshit we've been fed.

Firstly, I didn't think there was an agreement to worry about? Triggy had verbally rescinded it.
Secondly, the third party deals he was worried about, how come Triggy didn't clean these up?

Trigg has obviously taken the fall for a known rort within the club otherwise he would have lost his job.

I believe if Harper had tried to whistleblow way back when, the same club stooges and old boys network would have closed ranks and tossed him to the kerb.

All the while briefing journalists, and others, that he was disloyal, a bad egg, who had lost his way. Maybe with a history of past indiscretions that can't be talked about

 

[1970crow]

I'm 100% with you on this Carl, and Rendell. He stated what was becoming obvious to most observers and Soapsuds and Ali Barber responded outrageously. I still don't understand what the motivation for it all was in the first place.

They were so outraged that a couple of months and 1 alleged machete attack later they felt compelled to detail how outraged they were.

 

[Allefgib]

What?

Either, Neither, Both, or something else - could all be true.

Covering all your bases.

The rest was just a graphic metaphor to elicit a response.. obviously it threw you off you're game

 

[1970crow]

So there's no room for the Board to have realised they made an error in not fighting for Rendell given the behaviour by the AFL when Mifsud made his second mistake and the AFL covered for him, and so were therefore not willing to make the same mistake twice? I am not saying that's what happened, but could it be a possibility of why they did it for one and not the other?

I don't remember seeing vlad's mug on tv saying "I know who he is and he better start looking roar a career in a different industry" when talking about the Tippett debacle. He said it about rendell though. That explains the different approach.

 

[ftmch]

The average supporter knows Trigg stuffed up far more than Rendell, but it was Rendell who got the biggest penalty. No amount of media spin/fluff will cover this up.

Imagine Steven Trigg was waning in his enthusiasm for his role and was generally understood to be moving on at the end of the year. Then imagine he made a comment, regardless of the intent, about aboriginal kids and white parents, which made it's way into the media. Do you think he would be here now? And the answer is of course, no.

 

[jenny61_99]

Either, Neither, Both, or something else - could all be true.

Covering all your bases.

The rest was just a graphic metaphor to elicit a response.. obviously it threw you off you're game

I have a cold!

 

[jenny61_99]

I believe if Harper had tried to whistleblow way back when, the same club stooges and old boys network would have closed ranks and tossed him to the kerb.

All the while briefing journalists, and others, that he was disloyal, a bad egg, who had lost his way. Maybe with a history of past indiscretions that can't be talked about

You are talking shit. You don't KNOW anything.

 

[Geoffa32]

I believe if Harper had tried to whistleblow way back when, the same club stooges and old boys network would have closed ranks and tossed him to the kerb.

All the while briefing journalists, and others, that he was disloyal, a bad egg, who had lost his way. Maybe with a history of past indiscretions that can't be talked about

Dean Bailey was in the same position at Melbourne.

 

[Sanders]

You are talking shit. You don't KNOW anything.

What part of "I believe" flummoxed you?

 

[Kane McGoodwin]

Imagine Steven Trigg was waning in his enthusiasm for his role and was generally understood to be moving on at the end of the year. Then imagine he made a comment, regardless of the intent, about aboriginal kids and white parents, which made it's way into the media. Do you think he would be here now? And the answer is of course, no.

So if you are doing your job competently, but your are supposedly losing enthusiasm for the role, it is an excuse to bump you out at the 1st opportunity, preferably by public humiliation ... but if you massively stuff up, but you are enthusiastic (or should I say arrogant about it), you should keep your job with 100% loyal support from all...

 

[ftmch]

So if you are doing your job competently, but your are supposedly losing enthusiasm for the role, it is an excuse to bump you out at the 1st opportunity, preferably by public humiliation ... but if you massively stuff up, but you are enthusiastic (or should I say arrogant about it), you should keep your job with 100% loyal support from all...

I'm not talking about the Trigg / Tippett situation - only addressing the notion that Trigg would not have been let go if he made the same comments as Rendell while being at the same stage in his 'lifecycle' within the club.

 

[Slippery Pete]

What part of "I believe" flummoxed you?

Big bad Phil Harper is back on the radio doing interviews by the way, so all those insomniacs can finally get some rest again.

 

[Kane McGoodwin]

I'm not talking about the Trigg / Tippett situation - only addressing the notion that Trigg would not have been let go if he made the same comments as Rendell while being at the same stage in his 'lifecycle' within the club.

Trigg has been at AFC for a longer lifecycle than Rendell! If Trigg had made the Rendell comments, he would be still at AFC IMO. If Rendell was involved in the Tippett contract saga, he would have been out the door without any board backing. To say that Rendell was contemplating leaving & we just helped him on his way given he was going anyway is shitty treatment for someone who has done their best by the club through recruitment.

 

[jenny61_99]

What part of "I believe" flummoxed you?

Yes but "your believe" reads as "this is fact". Or it may start out as "I believe" but then soon turns into "this is how it happened". Do you honestly believe half the crap you dribble?

 

[craig crowing]

Trigg has been at AFC for a longer lifecycle than Rendell! If Trigg had made the Rendell comments, he would be still at AFC IMO. If Rendell was involved in the Tippett contract saga, he would have been out the door without any board backing. To say that Rendell was contemplating leaving & we just helped him on his way given he was going anyway is shitty treatment for someone who has done their best by the club through recruitment.

Still no one has even attempted to tell us the reasons why Trigg was doing such a great job .
Please just show us some Trigg positives . If cant it must be boys club stuff then why retained.
Then present Rendells reasons why on last chance before Misfud fiasco .
Why do we keep pushing this .
Well I believe the Tippett saga is going to hurt us much more than we believe currently.

 

[Slippery Pete]

Yes but "your believe" reads as "this is fact". Or it may start out as "I believe" but then soon turns into "this is how it happened". Do you honestly believe half the crap you dribble?

I think you've mis-read the vibe of his email.

He even put an emoticon, just in case you missed it.

 

[Vader]

OK, lets put aside your napolean complex for one minute:

Which of these 2 statements do you consider facts, and if so, It would be good if you could provide a basis other than "I think"

1. The tippetts proposed the offending clause
2. Trigg cancelled the clause and just didn't put it in writing?

all the hectoring doesn't enhance your argument, only evidence can do that.

I do not regard either of those as proven facts. I consider both to be highly likely to have happened, but do not have enough evidence to prove or disprove either assertion.

 

[Sanders]

I do not regard either of those as proven facts. I consider both to be highly likely to have happened, but do not have enough evidence to prove or disprove either assertion.

How odd then that you attack someone else for pointing out these are not facts.

Random sniping is not good look

 

[Vader]

How odd then that you attack someone else for pointing out these are not facts.

Random sniping is not good look

No.. I said that what you assert as facts are more often than not just your opinion.

On the balance of probabilities, I believe that both of those statements are probably true. However, without evidence to prove or disprove, they cannot be regarded as facts.

 

[Deaneus!]

Bump.

Today Ollie Wines played a fantastic debut for Port. Notwithstanding that we didn't play our mini-draft pick Brad Crouch (an argument for another thread) in round one, we don't have a first (or second) round pick to play this year, nor will we have next year.

Five years from now we're going to feel this, bad. Thank Vlad we've got free agency - not because I think it's a good idea, but because it's the only way we're going to be able to attract top-end talent to the club. And if we're serious about attracting top-level SA talent home, we may have to contend with a resurgent Port looking like a destination to go to. Didn't Thompson and Jacobs both want to go to Port if they were coming back to SA?

There's nothing we can do to get those draft picks back. However, we can remove the persons whose responsibility this mess is.

 

[amer]

You are talking shit. You don't KNOW anything.

I wouldn't bother acknowledging his having said anything - this is the guy who says he knows the chemical make-up of American produce because he has eaten it.

 

[AFC979810]

Bump.

Today Ollie Wines played a fantastic debut for Port. Notwithstanding that we didn't play our mini-draft pick Brad Crouch (an argument for another thread) in round one, we don't have a first (or second) round pick to play this year, nor will we have next year.

Five years from now we're going to feel this, bad. Thank Vlad we've got free agency - not because I think it's a good idea, but because it's the only way we're going to be able to attract top-end talent to the club. And if we're serious about attracting top-level SA talent home, we may have to contend with a resurgent Port looking like a destination to go to. Didn't Thompson and Jacobs both want to go to Port if they were coming back to SA?

There's nothing we can do to get those draft picks back. However, we can remove the persons whose responsibility this mess is.

It's not as bad as you make out. We lost the following picks from 2012:

Pick 20
Pick 54

In 2012 we added Crouch who will be much better than pick 20.

We will be losing our 1st and 2nd round picks from 2013 and depending where we finish this year - this might hurt us.

Its not an ideal situation but in no way is at as bad as you are making out. Draft picks are a lottery and you lose more than you win (Sellar/Pfeiffer/Watts)....

 

[FR0GGY]

It's not as bad as you make out. We lost the following picks from 2012:

Pick 20
Pick 54

In 2012 we added Crouch who will be much better than pick 20.

We will be losing our 1st and 2nd round picks from 2013 and depending where we finish this year - this might hurt us.

Its not an ideal situation but in no way is at as bad as you are making out. Draft picks are a lottery and you lose more than you win (Sellar/Pfeiffer/Watts)....

Crouch was taken in 2011 and we used a a compo pick plus 10 to get him and brown. Therefore you can't claim Crouch as a 2012 recruit, we paid fairly for him. Which means we effectively got nothing of top 20 last year pick wise. Combine that with no high draft picks this year, unless we trade away, it will affect us.

 

[Elite Crow]

Players we have selected with picks 1-30 over the last 6 years:

2011: Crouch, Brown, Kerridge
2010: Smith
2009: Talia, Gunston
2008: Davis, Smack
2007: Danger, Otten

Now chuck in Sloane and Shaw who were picks in the 40s and how can anyone say its not that bad.

Add the fact that we also lost Tippett for nothing. Last year we should have had 3 picks inside the top 30 if we weren't bent over at the trade table due to a dodgy contract.

Then take into account our ability to trade in 2013 is diminished because we've got no decent picks to trade.

Facts are Tippett/Trigg gate has cost this club big time.