Rumour Jeremy Finlayson under investigation - 3 game suspension

[eclipse]

Yes, Yes you can.

Race, Religion and Sexuality have always been no go zones.

Nope

 

[Altum Volantes]

This league is so corrupt.

How can they actually look anyone in the face and claim this isn’t comparable to Alastair Clarkson’s latest public loss of self control?

They painted themselves into a corner when they failed to suspend Clarkson for a very similar offence and are now pretending it’s ‘different’.

If anything, Clarkson’s was worse. He’s a coach for God’s sake.

I think Finlayson gets 2 weeks. Will be interesting to see if they actually enforce Clarkson’s suspended sentence the next time he uses a homophobic slur/threatens a woman/assaults a member of the public.

 

[South of the Yarra]

Our society should be better than this. No homophobic or racist comments should be deemed acceptable.

 

[HirdsTheWord]

Nope

if you can't understand that Race, Religion and Sexuality related slurs is a no go zone than you aren't going to learn why on Big Footy.

good luck to you.

 

[iameviljez]

Perhaps if not many people are being called it then it's not common.

It's common for the Aboriginal person who is having it said to them.

Seriously - if your (presumably white) ancestors say they didn't commonly hear it, and an Aboriginal person says they were called it all the time, what's the Occam's Razor explanation here? It's not that we just split the difference and say well, it must be halfway common - it's that we can pretty easily suggest that Aboriginals were targeted with that word and therefore far more likely to hear it regularly than white people.

Nobody is suggesting that your ancestors lied or anything of the sort. It's just that their place in society was such that they weren't exposed to some of the nastier racism that Australia has to offer.

Let me put it this way - I don't get cat called walking through a pubs-and-bars district at night. When she's with me, my wife doesn't get cat called walking through that district, nor did any of my exes or female friends if they were walking with me. However, if they're alone or just with other women, they get cat-called regularly.

Doesn't mean that we just split the difference and say, well, cat calling mustn't be that common because I don't hear it.

 

[eclipse]

if you can't understand that Race, Religion and Sexuality related slurs is a no go zone than you aren't going to learn why on Big Footy.

good luck to you.

Let the grown ups in the real world discuss I’d suggest. Without the hysteria.

 

[iameviljez]

Really if not directed as a personal insult does it really hurt.

It's not about whether it hurts the receiver at all. It's about whether it's ok to say it or not. I doubt the recipient was personally hurt at being called a c*** s*****, but that's not the point.

 

[HirdsTheWord]

Let the grown ups in the real world discuss I’d suggest. Without the hysteria.

in the real-world Finlayson wouldn't have a job.

i dont think you live in the real world

 

[iameviljez]

in the real-world Finlayson wouldn't have a job.

i dont think you live in the real world

It depends on what kind of job we're talking, to be fair. If he were on a construction site, the mines or in a logistics yard, he probably would. If he were in my office job, then honestly he'd be out that door before midday.

 

[HirdsTheWord]

It depends on what kind of job we're talking, to be fair. If he were on a construction site, the mines or in a logistics yard, he probably would. If he were in my office job, then honestly he'd be out that door before midday.

i work in construction

if a tradie said that in ear shot of management they would be walked off site before smoko.

if two blokes are building a dog kennel in their backyard, ok maybe they might get away with it.

 

[Gough]

Let the grown ups in the real world discuss I’d suggest. Without the hysteria.

I doubt there's too many adults who found what he said acceptable. Maybe it's you in fantasy land.

 

[Toump Ass]

All that bluster about “Essendon Edginess” from Bombers, how’s ****in’ Port though? Not content just smashing campaigners “Harlem’s Globetrotter style” on prime time television, they’re out there committing hate crimes as well.

Big tough Port Adelaide!! Scary!!!

 

[Bostonian]

Every Aboriginal I know was being called it so yes it was common. Someone has given you first hand experience of it being used yet you still refuse to acknowledge. It was commonly used to degrade Aboriginals. .

Well given I've said way way back and I was talking about family born as far back as 1900 you just confirmed it became prominent in much more recent times.

Thanks.

 

[memoryofmchale]

Once again, BigFooty delivers a strong moral compass. Homophobic slurs have no place on a sporting field but according to some in this thread, we should start allowing them.

We have had people defend rapists, abusers, violence, arsonists, racists, bullies, drink drivers, drug traffickers, etc on various boards for multiple players, past, present and probably emerging (certainly in the past pre-draft). None of the aforementioned behaviour is acceptable and we all know the consequences of it. Same with homophobic slurs, albeit lesser.

You don’t have to be woke to see that this sort of language is inappropriate. The fact Essendon players called it out instantly should say something: it has no place on the football field or elsewhere.

 

[South of the Yarra]

Well given I've said way way back and I was talking about family born as far back as 1900 you just confirmed it became prominent in much more recent times.

Thanks.

No you said it began in the 1980s. You are wrong. I am actually beginning to see why your family didn’t hear it, seems they were not willing to listen.

 

[Bostonian]

It's common for the Aboriginal person who is having it said to them.

Seriously - if your (presumably white) ancestors say they didn't commonly hear it, and an Aboriginal person says they were called it all the time, what's the Occam's Razor explanation here? It's not that we just split the difference and say well, it must be halfway common - it's that we can pretty easily suggest that Aboriginals were targeted with that word and therefore far more likely to hear it regularly than white people.

Nobody is suggesting that your ancestors lied or anything of the sort. It's just that their place in society was such that they weren't exposed to some of the nastier racism that Australia has to offer.

Let me put it this way - I don't get cat called walking through a pubs-and-bars district at night. When she's with me, my wife doesn't get cat called walking through that district, nor did any of my exes or female friends if they were walking with me. However, if they're alone or just with other women, they get cat-called regularly.

Doesn't mean that we just split the difference and say, well, cat calling mustn't be that common because I don't hear it.

I'm talking about my Aboriginal relatives. So presumption wrong.

No point talking about the white ones although as some married into Aboriginal families and others were part of the communities up there they also had first hand experience.

I guess there's never much said about the people who married out of their own cultures for love, had families and raised them up to be wonderful contributors to the community.

You don't think back in those days people marrying outside of their own cultures would have also been prime targets for abuse and would have heard such words if they were common?

 

[Bostonian]

No you said it began in the 1980s. You are wrong. I am actually beginning to see why your family didn’t hear it, seems they were not willing to listen.

I said the use of it became most common in the general community back in the 80s.

That's 100% correct.

 

[kaiserchief13]

Was it directed at any person for a reason?

 

[memoryofmchale]

Was it directed at any person for a reason?

That hasn’t been confirmed because they don’t want to out or fuel rumours about a player’s sexuality.

However, for some players it’s rather easy to shoot down those rumours given their sexualities are no secret. There’s only a handful of players at Essendon with no partner.

 

[iameviljez]

Let the grown ups in the real world discuss I’d suggest. Without the hysteria.

We are.

If you called someone a c*** s***** in the workplace, at a family gathering, in a club, on the train, wherever, then you'd be pretty immediately removed, ostracised and shunned.

This isn't hysteria, it's just real world, with real world consequences.

 

[Slackjaw]

It’s an off the cuff remark for some but to others it can have a devastating impact. I will use race as an example. If someone calls a person a white c and they have never been called that before it may not have the same impact as calling someone a black c who was been belittled all their life with such commen

i work in construction

if a tradie said that in ear shot of management they would be walked off site before smoko.

if two blokes are building a dog kennel in their backyard, ok maybe they might get away with it.

That is just not true

 

[Slackjaw]

We are.

If you called someone a c*** s***** in the workplace, at a family gathering, in a club, on the train, wherever, then you'd be pretty immediately removed, ostracised and shunned.

This isn't hysteria, it's just real world, with real world consequences.

What about calling someone a 'bald c@#t'? Is that type of slur ok?

 

[iameviljez]

What about calling someone a 'bald c@#t'? Is that type of slur ok?

As a bald man myself, honestly I just find it pretty ridiculous and laugh it off. It's so, so, so much less historically charged than anything to do with LGBT sexuality or blackness that it's not the same league, it's barely even the same sport.

 

[HirdsTheWord]

That is just not true

i have seen people be walked off site for less.

it is 100% true.

This type of language does not fly in any type of half decent workplace, even construction sites. If you are working in a place that allows its employees to call each other F****** with zero consequences, than you are working in a shit hole.

 

[Strange Cat]

Sticks and stones no longer applies in 2024 obviously but surely words said on field have to be pretty to warrant an investigation. Cup of concrete needed

It’s still a workplace and it’s not acceptable in any way