Player Watch Jordan De Goey (Part 2)

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Kirby

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I take some comfort out of the fact that you'd assume the club rang the Wolf and had some discussions about what the issue with Jordy's hammy is, probably emailed him the scans etc. You'd assume that the Wolf then thought that he had something to offer seeing as Jordy was shoved in a plane and would just about be be there by now.

I guess what we can hope is that this Wolf man thinks that he has the answers and can work some magic. Maybe Jordy's problems are all mechanical? We can assume that the man can't magically cure a hammy, but maybe he can take the strain off it?

I'd think we are going to need a miracle of sorts, but if he can get back in 2 weeks pain free and trains the house down then I'm thinking we'd take the gamble.

Time will tell.
 

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Damien Barrett writes about the fact that both Richmond and Collingwood have lost a champion player-Rance and DeGoey as if the ledger is evenly balanced. How could this so called football expert write such ignorant tosh? We are also missing Greenwood, Beams, Cox, Aish and Langdon. Three of these players were absolute stars in our demolition of Richmond in last year's preliminary final. All of these players along with DeGoey would be playing if they were fit and healthy.

I heard Hardwick's press conference this week and when he was asked about the health of his list he sounded more like one of his team's supporters trying to pretend the Tigers are still missing a number of players. Who did he mention? Stack and Higgins. Stack had been dropped to the VFL after a few weeks of very quiet performances when he did his calf and Higgins had also been out for weeks in the seconds. He seems loathe to admit they are at full strength other than Rance.

Can we add Murphy, Sier and Dunne to our already lengthy list of outs?

agree - plus, most journalists are d**k heads - the Rance and DeGoey scenarios are not comparable - Richmond have had a full season to accommodate to loss of Rance - we have 2 games if we make the GF and JDG is not available
 

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Damien Barrett writes about the fact that both Richmond and Collingwood have lost a champion player-Rance and DeGoey as if the ledger is evenly balanced. How could this so called football expert write such ignorant tosh? We are also missing Greenwood, Beams, Cox, Aish and Langdon. Three of these players were absolute stars in our demolition of Richmond in last year's preliminary final. All of these players along with DeGoey would be playing if they were fit and healthy.
Aside from that, he fails to consider they have prepared for playing without Rance, we have been preparing for JDG to play.
 

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A former AFL club doctor insists local physicians are world class when it comes to dealing with hamstring injuries but the decades-long success of a German "celebrity sports doctor" treating Collingwood forward Jordan De Goey meant he was a trusted voice.
Dr Adam Castricum, a former Hawthorn club doctor in two premierships and a sport and exercise physician with peak body Australiasian College of Sport and Exercise Physicians, said local doctors were world leading and had tremendous success when dealing with serious – and a recurrence of – hamstring issues.
Jordan De Goey has battled hamstring issues throughout 2019.
Jordan De Goey has battled hamstring issues throughout 2019.CREDIT:GETTY IMAGES
De Goey has flown to Germany to see Bayern Munich's world-renowned hamstring specialist Dr Hans-Wilhelm Muller-Wohlfahrt, having re-injured his hamstring in Friday night's qualifying final against Geelong.
The dynamic forward had just returned from a seven-week hamstring absence, and is desperate to return in September, particularly if the Magpies win through to the grand final.

Muller-Wohlfahrt, 77, has treated some of the world's most famous athletes, including Michael Jordan, Kobe Bryant, Usain Bolt, Diego Maradona and Boris Becker.
He helped sprint superstar Bolt return in time for the Rio Olympics – and claim gold.
He has also worked with several AFL players, including Geelong premiership player Max Rooke, Collingwood's Ben Reid, Darcy Moore and Jamie Elliott, former Fremantle player Harley Bennell and Richmond's Dylan Grimes.
Hans-Wilhelm Mueller-Wohlfahrt (right) with German national soccer coach Joachim Low at Euro 2016.
Hans-Wilhelm Mueller-Wohlfahrt (right) with German national soccer coach Joachim Low at Euro 2016.CREDIT:GETTY IMAGES
Castricum said Muller-Wohlfahrt – known as "Healing Hans" and regarded as a celebrity sports doctor – had the benefit of working in his field for decades, and perhaps boasted a "placebo effect" because of his reputation. But, ultimately, it was his impressive history which attracted athletes.

"It's more because of his track record, I guess. We are very much realists here as to what we can do. We give people really good advice and try and reduce the risk of recurrence and do those things. We would like to be able to do that, we pride ourselves on doing the right things and also sticking to the evidence base," Castricum said.
"The best research that has come out of here [Australia], particularly with these tendon injuries, have come from practitioners here in Melbourne and Sydney who look after AFL [players] ... these subsequent injuries with tendon injuries can be more severe and, certainly, have a higher risk of recurrence."
Muller-Wohlfahrt has something of a reputation as an eccentric but his methods have been successful. A 2011 report by ESPN said his expansive clinic on the second floor of the Alte Hof in Munich – a 12th century Gothic structure that served as the first imperial residence of Germany – had all the trappings of a "fine art gallery".
The report said while the controversial Muller-Wohlfahrt was conventionally trained in medicine and orthopedics, he embraced a unique mixture of "homeopathic medicine – treatment with natural substances – and acupuncture".
"The lifeblood of his treatments is what Muller-Wohlfahrt calls 'infiltrations', in which homeopathic preparations and other substances are injected into the injury site: exotic stuff like Actovegin, an amino acid preparation derived from calves' blood, and lubricating substances containing purified hyaluronic acid and antioxidants," the ESPN report said.


Painkillers in a honey solution is another treatment.
Rooke was sent to Germany in July 2007 and had an extract of calves' blood injected into his problem hamstring. He returned to the field in time to play in the club's breakthrough premiership.
Football manager Neil Balme, who has signed off on visits by Rooke and Grimes, said Muller-Wohlfahrt had a role to play for problematic issues.
"When the guys have the chronic hamstring stuff, it's just worth having another look at it. When it's a normal hamstring, we are probably as competent as anyone else to treat it," he said.

"It was the [Geelong] docs' opinion, rather than any information I had, they thought it was worthwhile. It was a bit over-the-top treatment from memory ... but I don't remember any of detail other than paying the bill."
Castricum said he did not know what treatment De Goey would have but it could be "hands-on therapy, injection-type therapy" but "it's certainly all above board, don't worry about that".
"I don't know what is actually injected, not sure at all. It's all within the WADA guidelines, that's fine. I don't think there is any concern there," he said.
Castricum, who was involved in helping former Hawthorn's Cyril Rioli overcome his hamstring issues, said he could not say if De Goey would have success.
"It depends on the nature of the player. De Goey is an explosive player," he said.

"I think when we say with hamstring injuries – 'they generally miss three weeks' – I think that is a massive generalisation because it depends if there is a tendon injury that is involved.
"Not all hamstring injuries are the same. We need to treat them a bit differently, depending on what is there.
"I am sure the Collingwood doctors know exactly what they are doing, the same with the physios."
 

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The issue it keeps occurring for him. Why is that?
That’s hammys for you, I doubt there are many players that do 1 hammy and never have an issue again. Gooey missed a lot of preseason if I remember correctly, injured and chasing his tail ever since. High reoccurrence would be common I’d say.
Lot of players battle them all their career, some battle them for a season or 2 some never get them. Ricky Barham was one of my faves back in the day and he was pinging them all the time.
I’m pretty confident Darcy won’t have long term issues once he grows into his body a bit and Jordy also should be okay once he can get a good fitness base and looks after himself better.
 

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Having treated Germany's top footballers for the last few decades, he was the team doctor when Germany won the 2014 World Cup.
"What I find particularly impressive is that he makes the correct diagnosis after the very first examination, without needing scans or x-rays," said Germany head coach Joachim Loew.
"He does it with his hands, which must have some magic in them, his experience and his intuition."
- 'Like a pianist' -
However, Mueller-Wohlfahrt says his techniques rely more on experience than "magic".
"I 'see' with my fingers, I can tell if the muscle is injured just through the tension in it," he wrote in his autobiography.
"I have diagnosed 35,000 muscle injuries in my life and acquired these abilities through daily exercise, like a pianist or a violinist".
Mueller-Wohlfahrt's methods are not to everyone's taste.
His intensive use of actovegin, an amino acid made from veal blood which he injects into injured tendons, has led to allegations of quackery by senior figures in his field.
"I decided early on in my career to use natural medicine and not chemical agents," he wrote.
"And for a long time my alternative methods have earned me the rejection of my colleagues.
"In a world of orthopaedics, dominated by surgery and cortisone, they looked at me like a renegade."
 

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Bucks on SEN says Jordy felt hamstring tightness in the first few minutes but still played for 40+ mins more. There had been some bleeding with the tear. Sending him to Germany is a hail mary and it is a wait and see what happens
 

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How many hammies has De Goey done in his career? Is this a chronic problem like Moore?
I just think with Jordan it is lack of pre-seasons. The last 3 years he has basically missed every one, 2 of them due to indiscretions and this year he was injured. It seemed to start in pre-season 2018 when he was asked to do trade work as a punishment, and he hurt his hammy on the job.

He then had to play catch-up to get his body right to return to the side, which we were desperate for because we had a slow start to the year.

He has also had the feet issues as well, which has probably also limited his ability to train.

It means he has always been behind the 8 ball. Trying to get fit in a short time. He has such a big impact without much conditioning.
 

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I just think with Jordan it is lack of pre-seasons. The last 3 years he has basically missed every one, 2 of them due to indiscretions and this year he was injured. It seemed to start in pre-season 2018 when he was asked to do trade work as a punishment, and he hurt his hammy on the job.

He then had to play catch-up to get his body right to return to the side, which we were desperate for because we had a slow start to the year.

He has also had the feet issues as well, which has probably also limited his ability to train.

It means he has always been behind the 8 ball. Trying to get fit in a short time. He has such a big impact without much conditioning.
Thanks mate.

Wish it wasn’t De Goey. He’s ouR Dustin Martin.
 

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Bucks on SEN says Jordy felt hamstring tightness in the first few minutes but still played for 40+ mins more. There had been some bleeding with the tear. Sending him to Germany is a hail mary and it is a wait and see what happens
I don’t think it is a Hail Mary.
 

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At the end of the day, they only need to get him right for 1 game. That's all. He is a match-winner, so even if used conservatively, he would be a huge asset if he kicked a crunch goal at a crucial time.

If we can get him fit enough to play 65% match-time, purely as a forward...and he also draws one of the best defenders...then it's a huge win for guys like Elliott and Stephenson.

I agree that we wouldn't be sending him over right now if we didn't think it was a chance.
 

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