Josh Caddy - The one that got away

[smasha]

A part of the 3-0-75 dynasty Peggy,Benny and Dimma envisaged.

He can sit back in the future and remember all the good times,he helped us start that dynasty,he was fantastic.

3-+millions-105.

Job done but this club aint going anywhere.

 

[theyellowsash]

5 years and 3 flags (for the team) later, with caddy a major player for 3 of those years. Anyone who thinks the caddy trade was a bad deal for richmond is a moron, even if caddy never plays another game.

the trade was effectively caddy and graham for parfitt and narkle. at worst its a win-win trade, but given we have 3 flags to show from it (wouldn't have at least 2 of them if not all 3 without caddy and graham), and narkle is in/out of the cats side, you'd have to put richmond coming out on top so far. The fact that we beat geelong in finals with the players we got from the trade hurts geelong a bit too. Geelong probably needs to win 3 flags with parfitt/narkle being major players for it to draw back even.

But all that said neither side should be particularly disappointed with the trade and im sure neither would take it back.

 

[NicW]

Are they as cooked as they were this time last year, and this time in 2019 and 2017?

Cooked like a goose, will scrape in and possibly win one final.

I know it's hard to swallow but time waits for no one.

 

[NicW]

A part of the 3-0-75 dynasty Peggy,Benny and Dimma envisaged.

He can sit back in the future and remember all the good times,he helped us start that dynasty,he was fantastic.

3-+millions-105.

Job done but this club aint going anywhere.

Down the ladder?

 

[Tiger_Of_Old]

Weird bump about a guy who's won 2 premierships.

 

[Lunchlady Doris]

5 years and 3 flags (for the team) later, with caddy a major player for 3 of those years. Anyone who thinks the caddy trade was a bad deal for richmond is a moron, even if caddy never plays another game.

the trade was effectively caddy and graham for parfitt and narkle. at worst its a win-win trade, but given we have 3 flags to show from it (wouldn't have at least 2 of them if not all 3 without caddy and graham), and narkle is in/out of the cats side, you'd have to put richmond coming out on top so far. The fact that we beat geelong in finals with the players we got from the trade hurts geelong a bit too. Geelong probably needs to win 3 flags with parfitt/narkle being major players for it to draw back even.

But all that said neither side should be particularly disappointed with the trade and im sure neither would take it back.

Ha, brilliant.

 

[theyellowsash]

Ha, brilliant.

i know, its not often that someone on this site comes along with a level headed assessment of a trade.

 

[BF Tiger]

I guess the only one really spewing is Parfitt

 

[banzai]

There is no way we win the 2017 flag without him, he kicked goals in every big game including goals in the first quarter of each final that year. Absolutely cooked now though and shouldn't be anywhere near the starting 22.

 

[juss]

There is no way we win the 2017 flag without him, he kicked goals in every big game including goals in the first quarter of each final that year. Absolutely cooked now though and shouldn't be anywhere near the starting 22.

Hes certainly played his part in the era, but yeh he's cooked now.

 

[Del28562]

I've gotta say between 2017-19 caddy showed why he was a top 10 pick, what a great pick up, trade was definently a win win, caddy was an important cog in the tigers in that period as a floating marking fwd, then he went back in 2019, once Lynch come in.
He's cooked now and should retire at the end of the year.
Parfitts a 10 year player at the cats, very good player, one of the occasions where both clubs win. Narkle has the potential to be a star too in the Bolton style

He was solid for us when he had a defined role as a marking medium sized forward before Lynch got there. One of those seasons resulted in a top 10 finish in the Coleman.

Unfortunately, we don't have any room for him up forward and have tried him in several other positions but his lack of pace has hurt.

Not ro mention his undisciplined nature. Got dropped a few times for giving away dumb 50m penalties.

I do think he woukd do well for a club wanting to strengthen it's forward line forna couple of years but I do think Caddy's time with us is almost up.

 

[ThatsjustDappa]

5 years and 3 flags (for the team) later, with caddy a major player for 3 of those years. Anyone who thinks the caddy trade was a bad deal for richmond is a moron, even if caddy never plays another game.

the trade was effectively caddy and graham for parfitt and narkle. at worst its a win-win trade, but given we have 3 flags to show from it (wouldn't have at least 2 of them if not all 3 without caddy and graham), and narkle is in/out of the cats side, you'd have to put richmond coming out on top so far. The fact that we beat geelong in finals with the players we got from the trade hurts geelong a bit too. Geelong probably needs to win 3 flags with parfitt/narkle being major players for it to draw back even.

But all that said neither side should be particularly disappointed with the trade and im sure neither would take it back.

Thats a darn long bow. Lets just leave it at a win win situation. Richmond got flags with a great team with Caddy playing his role. And Geelong has a couple of more than handy players that as a whole has been better than Caddy remaining in geelong helping win no flags.

 

[theyellowsash]

Thats a darn long bow. Lets just leave it at a win win situation. Richmond got flags with a great team with Caddy playing his role. And Geelong has a couple of more than handy players that as a whole has been better than Caddy remaining in geelong helping win no flags.

I agree. It's as close to a dead even trade where both teams get a hell of a lot out of it, as there is ever going to be.

The only way to pick a winner (if you wanted to, you dont need to) would be to say that we have some flags from it and you dont. But with 8-10 years fro parfitt and maybe narkle who knows. But then again, if both teams get 2-3 flags each following a trade both would be over the moon. If both teams get 2-3 flags and at least 1 long term high quality mid (Graham and parfitt) it's a pretty good argument for it to be the best win-win trade in history.

 

[TheRealComptroller]

There is no way we win the 2017 flag without him, he kicked goals in every big game including goals in the first quarter of each final that year. Absolutely cooked now though and shouldn't be anywhere near the starting 22.

Seriously?

FWIW IIRC he finished 17th in the 2017 B&F.

By definition what you have written is completely contradicted by the assessment of his importance to the team by the club’s coaching panel.

He got 12 touches and one goal in the 2017 GF. That made him one of the five least important performers out of the Tiger 22 that day.

He was also quiet in the 2017 PF. In the QF against Geelong he got 17 and 2 which is okay but hardly phenomenal.

Richmond easily still wins the 2017 flag without Josh Caddy.

 

[living_in_syd]

Seriously?

FWIW IIRC he finished 17th in the 2017 B&F.

By definition what you have written is completely contradicted by the assessment of his importance to the team by the club’s coaching panel.

He got 12 touches and one goal in the 2017 GF. That made him one of the five least important performers out of the Tiger 22 that day.

He was also quiet in the 2017 PF. In the QF against Geelong he got 17 and 2 which is okay but hardly phenomenal.

Richmond easily still wins the 2017 flag without Josh Caddy.

Disagree. Everything was a piece of the puzzle that made 2017. The story has been told many times recruitibg nank, prestia and caddy plus other changes led to the miracle which was 2017. None of this and we win

 

[banzai]

Seriously?

FWIW IIRC he finished 17th in the 2017 B&F.

By definition what you have written is completely contradicted by the assessment of his importance to the team by the club’s coaching panel.

He got 12 touches and one goal in the 2017 GF. That made him one of the five least important performers out of the Tiger 22 that day.

He was also quiet in the 2017 PF. In the QF against Geelong he got 17 and 2 which is okay but hardly phenomenal.

Richmond easily still wins the 2017 flag without Josh Caddy.

We didn't win the flag easily, we fell into the top 4 by half a game. He played a key role forward all year, The b & f voting is heavily weighted to players who play every game, he missed some a few after getting injured in the first quarter against Geelong. Im not saying he was our best player but he brought experience and a big body we didn't have. He was very consistent all year.

 

[Grin]

Cooked like a goose, will scrape in and possibly win one final.

I know it's hard to swallow but time waits for no one.

Ahhhh. So 2019 levels of cooked.

Richmond and Geelong both have canny list managers who realise that trades can benefit both clubs, and don't necessarily need to involve screwing the other and then big noting yourself in the media (Not looking at anyone Adrian Dodoro). Geelong and Richmond have missed finals once each in the last 8 completed seasons. Essendon hasn't done quite as well as that with the clown managing their list.

 

[jim boy]

Richmond and Geelong both have canny list managers who realise that trades can benefit both clubs

And this is a trade in point, both teams got what they wanted from the trade and both benefitted. But it is a bit of stretch to say it was a major difference for either side. Sure Caddy has got three premierships, a solid contributor no doubt and you need those type players but it would be a bit of a stretch to say he was the difference between winning and losing any of those years. Likewise he would have made little difference at Geelong and in Parfitt we have a player who is hitting his straps now and will be good for Geelong. Its a win-win

 

[DanA]

It's not a zero sum game. Both can and IMO did benefit from the trade.

At the time Geelong's list was kinda crap despite making the semi finals and another big bodied medium forward on a pretty high salary was definitely not something we needed. Richmond on the other hand were in a position to benefit from Caddy playing across the HF and he played his part in securing the premiership.

I'm pretty confident Geelong does not get three premierships if they kept Caddy, in fact I think we'd have been worse off given the loss of Parfitt and cap space Caddy took up between 2017-2020. From Geelong's perspective, I don't think any fan sees him as the one that got away.

 

[Swanks McSwankserton]

And this is a trade in point, both teams got what they wanted from the trade and both benefitted. But it is a bit of stretch to say it was a major difference for either side. Sure Caddy has got three premierships, a solid contributor no doubt and you need those type players but it would be a bit of a stretch to say he was the difference between winning and losing any of those years. Likewise he would have made little difference at Geelong and in Parfitt we have a player who is hitting his straps now and will be good for Geelong. Its a win-win

Only semantics ik but Caddy only has 2 premierships, he was was on the wrong side of the fringe 22 all 2020 (iirc he got dropped after the double 50 against PA early in the year, then came back for the Adelaide game in the last round where he gave away another 50 and was promptly dropped for finals).

 

[99cents]

Classic win win trade in hindsight.
Caddy back to gold coast for an early retirement?

 

[Tiger_Of_Old]

Classic win win trade in hindsight.
Caddy back to gold coast for an early retirement?

Wouldn't surprise.

 

[theyellowsash]

Classic win win trade in hindsight.
Caddy back to gold coast for an early retirement?

they could do with a mature big body in the forward half and some experience.

 

[jim boy]

Wouldn't surprise.

I cant see it happening, gone are the days when players could simply head north for a retirement pay check. They would only be interested in player in their twilight years if they can bring real leadership even if their body is telling them no, like a Selwood or a Cotchin

 

[Tiger_Of_Old]

I cant see it happening, gone are the days when players could simply head north for a retirement pay check. They would only be interested in player in their twilight years if they can bring real leadership even if their body is telling them no, like a Selwood or a Cotchin

Maybe.But Caddy would bring a solid body and a point of difference into their fwd line.
Despite being a campaigner he does have football smarts.