Prediction Least appealing team(s) for the next 5 years?

[go_the_dockers]

How many top 5 picks did you guys use in your rebuild?
Was it 1? or am I misremembering

Brayshaw, Young - top 5
Serong, Amiss - top 10
Erasmus - top 10 - but a miss

Treacy - we got lucky as a rookie

Who in your current squad will be an A grader (top 60 in the comp - pushing for all Australian selection).

I am not from WA, and don't follow Eagles that closely, but I don't see the talent coming through and you still appear dependent on players 26 and older like McGovern, Allan, Waterman, Yeo, etc etc.

I also don't believe any of the other teams will play finals the next 5 years except maybe Carlton who may scrape in next year, and then fall off a cliff.

I am sure I will be wrong with a few of them.

 

[stallon]

Brayshaw, Young - top 5

Sorry mate didnt realise 7 was before 5, my bad

Serong, Amiss - top 10
Erasmus - top 10 - but a miss

Treacy - we got lucky as a rookie

Who in your current squad will be an A grader (top 60 in the comp - pushing for all Australian selection).

Reid and Hewett top of the list. Ginbey looks good when he doesnt have to lock down on a KPF(thats a personnel issue in our d50 not a Ginbey issue). Gross looks very good but doesnt have the tank to play midfield yet. Hough as a back pocket if he ever goes back there is AA quality.
A lot of eagles fans are happy for Allen to go so largely because we have Archer Reid and Jobe Shanahan who from everything we have seen of them so far look like VERY good KPF prospects.

We dont have the guaranteed ones with runs on the board yet because theyre all so young lmao

All the guys you listed as "hits" are at least 2-3 years older than Hewett/Ginbey who are the older ones we have lol.

I am not from WA, and don't follow Eagles that closely, but I don't see the talent coming through and you still appear dependent on players 26 and older like McGovern, Allan, Waterman, Yeo, etc etc.

Allen has been thrown around a lot this year and generally hasnt played well.
Gov hasnt been in AA form, and now is out.
Yeo hasnt played.
Waterman has been ok but hasnt had the same impact as last year while getting used to the way weve been moving the ball, and hes out now anyway.
Baker, Graham, Duggan, Cripps, etc are role players, not the main guys.

We havent been at full strength, and been relying on players 22 and under to do jobs well beyond their years. Thats why we've been poor.
For example our 3 main mids for the last month have been Reid, Hewett and Hough. Hough has 60 odd games and is a mid as of 5 weeks ago, Hewett and Reid have about 30 games each to their names.

Its the opposite of what you thought, we are relying on the young guys too much

 

[go_the_dockers]

Sorry mate didnt realise 7 was before 5, my bad

I was thinking of Cerra. My bad

Serong and Young were 7 and 8, and crows got McAsey at 6. haha

 

[go_the_dockers]

Reid and Hewett top of the list. Ginbey looks good when he doesnt have to lock down on a KPF(thats a personnel issue in our d50 not a Ginbey issue). Gross looks very good but doesnt have the tank to play midfield yet. Hough as a back pocket if he ever goes back there is AA quality.
A lot of eagles fans are happy for Allen to go so largely because we have Archer Reid and Jobe Shanahan who from everything we have seen of them so far look like VERY good KPF prospects.

We dont have the guaranteed ones with runs on the board yet because theyre all so young lmao

All the guys you listed as "hits" are at least 2-3 years older than Hewett/Ginbey who are the older ones we have lol.

A club supporter always see the young players, before people who don't pay a lot of attention to the club.

Hopefully for you, a few of the players come good but I have not seen it.

From memory a lot of the younger mids lack great kicking skills, although you could probably say that about our team as well.

 

[stallon]

A club supporter always see the young players, before people who don't pay a lot of attention to the club.

Hopefully for you, a few of the players come good but I have not seen it.

From memory a lot of the younger mids lack great kicking skills, although you could probably say that about our team as well.

Yeah we lack outside mids, but imo theyre easier to slot in later once the team has the ability to win the ball at contest.

Im hoping we add at least one this year.

 

[rapidfire7]

Would be Collingwood if they didn't have a great coach and were not able to lure free agents as easily as they do (being a very big club).

 

[Obeanie1]

How many top 5 picks have you used on players?

Other than Reid who is leaving (based on what I hear on HBG), who are your good young players?

I just don't see it. Especially your midfield looks very weak.

Of course you don't. One eyed Dorkers supporters wouldn't.

How many top 5 picks have won a flag at Freo?

How many top 5 picks played in the Eagles 2018 premiership?

None. Zero.

Nine years in a row bottom 4 was your call.

 

[PJays]

How many top 5 picks played in the Eagles 2018 premiership?

None. Zero.

Correction

2

Masten and Kennedy.

 

[Purple Suit]

Of course you don't. One eyed Dorkers supporters wouldn't.

How many top 5 picks have won a flag at Freo?

How many top 5 picks played in the Eagles 2018 premiership?

None. Zero.

Nine years in a row bottom 4 was your call.

Jackson was pick 3, he's won a flag and is at Freo.

9 years in a row in the bottom 4. Wow, but considering this is going to be your four year and you only have 2 top 10 picks on your list (one with only another season to run on his contract). It's a bit concerning.

 

[PeterSalt]

Not targeting you specifically, but everybody who has west coast at number 1 clearly hasnt looked at the eagles list

Massive difference in the WC team that I watched play Adelaide on Sunday and the WC team I watched play last year

Seriously, last year the only player from WC that made an effort was Reid

 

[SC_Power]

Port have a young list that needs a few to come on to add depth but has good top end talent.

People are buying into Kane and Gerard bagging Ports list to try and deflect from their mate Ken.

We’re in a falling trend right now, unsurprisingly given we’ve had 5 years to snag a premiership or two but failed under finals pressure. 2020-2024 H&A, 74 wins 33 losses. 0 premierships.
Now we’re on the other side of the hill but the base looks pretty good, hopefully we’ve made the case to Butters Bergman to stay.

 

[stallon]

Massive difference in the WC team that I watched play Adelaide on Sunday and the WC team I watched play last year

Seriously, last year the only player from WC that made an effort was Reid

We had a lot of list clogging players who knew they were done last year, replaced with mostly enthusiastic kids. Itd be a lot happier place to be this year id wager

 

[justlookingaround]

Freo, Essendon, St Kilda, Carlton, North will all be shit to follow cos they are cursed - the rest who knows

 

[Golumless]

1. Carlton. Thankfully they're wasting their best players with this mediocre brand of football. Could easily be stuck in the mid-table for a while.
2. Richmond. Promising youth, but enough there to say it's going to be a grit your teeth period for the next few years
3. West Coast. Honestly, they get a bit of a reprieve because they have Harley Reid (or the absolute haul they'll get for him this year) - going to be just as painful of a few years as Richmond.
4. North. It's North.
5. Port. Can't bottom out at the moment, and stuck in no-mans-land. Could easily spike out of it with a new coach.

Could replace Port with half of the league, seeing at that point, it doesn't take long to spike out of a bad situation if you already have some of the pieces - see Collingwood in 2021.

 

[Meteoric Rise]

Interesting that not one poster has us. If we haven't nailed last years draft we'll be down the bottom for a long, long time.

Richmond could win the least games in the competition over the next 5 years without it being a total shock, but it does seem evident we have some very promising young talent on our list as of now, with more to come.

 

[Meteoric Rise]

Our midfield had plenty of young players last night who could be part of our next build Caldwell (24), Durham (23), Martin (24), and Perkins (23) and last night, they absolutely dominated your midfield. Your youth in the guts were Sims and McAuliffe? Bit unfair maybe seeing as Nank was out though.

While I agree we missed the mark with drafting the likes Tsatas, as the game has moved past those types, Lalor looks primed to become something very special. We definitely lack some players with elite kicking skills and footy IQ, but with a decent draft hand and cap space, I think we are in a ok place to rectify this.

We've also seen plenty of young players show great signs this year. Roberts and Reid, for example, have performed far better than Caddy or Kako. Also many young guys are performing very well in the VFL this year you met one of them in Clarke last night. (Possibly our 3rd Rising star Nom for the year too)

Most of our older players are not relied upon heavily, aside from Merrett. I expect most, if not all, of our veterans to be moved on. Merrett, being such an elite kick, will probably be shifted to a half-back Zorko-type role. Players like Goldstein, Laverde, Wright, etc., wouldn’t even be playing if not for injuries.

We also have two handy NGA’s coming through this year, and Bewick as a father-son in the next couple of years. This will be an absolute gift, especially considering that it's being reported as one of the most compromised drafts in history with Tasmania coming in.

We are by no means anywhere near the finished product or anywhere near challenging for a flag. However, I just don’t see how anyone can suggest we’re in as bad a position as some other teams out there. We’re performing better than most probably predicted, despite being young and in the midst of a rebuild. Yes, we’re a bottom-four team, 100%, but I believe we’re on the right track.

Also, for those Richmond supporters suggesting, "We were missing Lynch, Balta, and Nank" to justify the result, I would point out that we are also missing Draper, Ridley, Hayes/Bryan who are just as important to us while also dealing with injuries to Reid and Langford during the match. We were definitely more experienced and older last night, although we don't rely on those players who inflate those numbers, and our preferred team would be considerably younger and less experienced. In contrast, Richmond's team would be older and more experienced with their addition. So I do believe we are quite similarly placed.

Good post. If there is one point in comparing these two lists going forward it is Richmond are poised to insert up to 5 top 12 picks into the team next year who have not been seen in 2025. Gibcus, Smilie, Hotton and our 2 x likely top 5 picks at the 2025 draft(or whatever we harvest from trading one or both of those picks.) I don't think the Bombers have that level of young talent cooling their jets on the sidelines at present. Perhaps you could say Cox. Both clubs have the draft capital and you would think cap space to lure quality mature recruits over the next few years.

I was pretty bullish on the Bombers list a couple of years back, but when you have top 10 picks missing loads of footy(Parish, Cox, Reid) or not looking up to it(Tsatas) it can be very damaging to your trajectory. The thing that has me scratching my head a bit is the game plan of trying to defend with ball in hand with all the defensive half possession style play. It seems a funny style of footy to embed when all the recent premiers have been teams who go forward rapidly, with the most recent exception probably being Eagles in 2018. I think this is largely what is elevating the likes of Roberts and Reid this year, and making it tough for Caddy and Kako to shine, not sure it is going to win you finals in future.

The other worry for the Bombers is you seem to have a much stronger contingent of players in their prime years right now(aged 23-30.) This age group basically makes up almost all of your best 23. So your list sort of needs to be performing now. It seems odd to me Brad Scott seems to be claiming the Bombers are a developing team who will naturally get better in the future when more or less the whole team bar 3-4 are in their prime performance years right now.

The Tigers only have around 40% of their best 23 in this age range, with a massive group of highly talented players coming through underneath them.

So I see the outlook for these lists being quite different. The Bombers should perform better for the next few years, but after that the maturing talent on Richmond's list is probably more likely to produce a serious premiership contending team than where the Bomber list looks to be headed right now.

 

[PerthBoy86]

I'd say being a supporter of the Eagles would have to be one of the most appealing in the AFL era. If we consider we won one 7 years ago, gotta have Carlton and St Kilda as most frustrating, and potentially still Freo. Neither truly looks like contending yet again, whereas we're still in full rebuild mode. Carlton and Fremantle are supposed to be in their windows, fail and they could fall back near the bottom again. We at least tend to at least jag one flag when contending.

But I realise this pattern may change, and history says it probably will.

Freo for me still may be top 4/play off in a gf next few years if they play their cards right. Blues I'd be staggered.

Port I think seem the worse when you consider they've been near it for awhile, never played off in a gf, and look likely to be in a world of hurt for awhile. History aside I'd take being an Eagles supporter over a Port one right now.

 

[SC_Power]

Port I think seem the worse when you consider they've been near it for awhile, never played off in a gf, and look likely to be in a world of hurt for awhile. History aside I'd take being an Eagles supporter over a Port one right now.

Whilst you are probably right, I note that our Rd11 team we played was a younger average age than West Coast’s.

(Went up in round 12, injuries meant we played Travis Boak so it went up by about a year!)

 

[Ambrosia]

Dons have been a bottom 5 team to follow for eons so you've got to have them in there until we prove we're not. Same for North. West Coast should probably be in there as they've been shit for a while and will be shit for a while more. Then probably Port and Carlton look the worst placed from the mid table to teams to make a leap.

Richmond also a contender but think their fans are still in the space where they're enjoying the rebuild.

 

[PerthBoy86]

Whilst you are probably right, I note that our Rd11 team we played was a younger average age than West Coast’s.

(Went up in round 12, injuries meant we played Travis Boak so it went up by about a year!)

I think many Eagles fans see this year as the real year 1 of the rebuild. Past few years when we've looked okay it's usually been on the back of senior players, but this year the youngsters have been more involved. I have no idea where we'll be in 2, 3, 5 years, but I do see some positives. Trying to take it a game at a time, steady improvement.

Yes I mean I dont think Port are necessarily condemned to bottoming out, but your list doesn't really inspire much confidence. For the fans sake hopefully they'll find some positives.

 

[Iridescence]

Struggling to see how unless any of Rozee, Butters or JHF leave.

You plug competent KPP talent around that, plus consider Bergman and Burgoyne type talents and at absolute worst you’re looking at a squad that probably finds its level at around what Carlton have produced the last few years as a baseline.

I just don’t see the fall off everyone else anticipates for Port occurring.

You may be correct, but I'd prefer it if you let me make a hyperbolic statement about the club I despise without being challenged. Thanks.

 

[PowerfulPies2023]

Collingwood

 

[TheUnicorn]

Hang on.

I thought Collingwood were falling off a cliff?

Isn't that starting until 2030?

They’re looking a little off lately, could this be the start of the cliff ?

 

[Fadge]

They’re looking a little off lately, could this be the start of the cliff ?

Yep.

We've heard that before.

After 2021, and also after round 1 this year.

Nonetheless, at least we had a cliff to fall off....

 

[WalshistheGOAT]

Pies youth is as follows

- Daicos

- Shite

With their old geriatrics starting to show some ware and tare they'd have do be concerned selling the farm for Schultz, Perryman and Houston the last couple years is going to come back to bite them.