List Mgmt. List changes, contract status and key dates - 2021

[Dalions]

I think it's borderline but I'm assuming we'll err on the side of caution and he'll be unavailable this week.

So if Robbo is out, Madden to play back and Answerth and AhChee to float between wing and back.

 

[pulpdriver]

So if Robbo is out, Madden to play back and Answerth and AhChee to float between wing and back.

Sounds perfect.

 

[mpal6]

Joe deal in limbo: AFL probes Daniher contract, rivals ask questions

The AFL is yet to approve Joe Daniher's contract extension amid other clubs' concerns about the free agency compensation sent to Essendon

www.afl.com.au

Damien Barrett having his "told you so" victory lap.

I still don't understand what exactly he's implying that we have violated. Rules are already set that we can't re-negotiate the 3 year/750k contract, if we chose to add another 2 years at 600k on top, that's between us and Joe. He has a weird obsession with this topic.

 

[T Rick]

Joe deal in limbo: AFL probes Daniher contract, rivals ask questions

The AFL is yet to approve Joe Daniher's contract extension amid other clubs' concerns about the free agency compensation sent to Essendon

www.afl.com.au

Damien Barrett having his "told you so" victory lap.

I still don't understand what exactly he's implying that we have violated. Rules are already set that we can't re-negotiate the 3 year/750k contract, if we chose to add another 2 years at 600k on top, that's between us and Joe. He has a weird obsession with this topic.

Barrett has always been a clickbait sleaze...let's hope he does a Tom Morris and implodes sooner than later.

 

[Warwick]

I'm really struggling to see the story here.

Surely it's blatantly obvious that this mystery FA formula was going to be manipulated by clubs?? Why are people shocked? I'm surprised it hasn't happened more often (or made as big a deal).

Either scrap the FA compensation completely or publish this ridiculous 'secret herbs and spices' formula so everyone can see how compensation is calculated.

The AFL only have themselves to blame.

 

[LongLion]

What are the VFL going to do? Tell us they are not going to agree to us extending Joe's stay here. We are not talking a Tippett scenario surely

 

[KissKiss]

Yeah someone has a real bee in their bonnet and is clearly pushing an agenda over it. But as far as I understand we have just played by the rules and cant be punished for that (unless they pull out another made up ban like they did against Sydney for Buddy). If they have a problem with what we did then update the rules to fix the issue

 

[Nunez]

Do we sign Joe for a two year extension if he spent the year struggling to stay fit? Absolutely not.

 

[Dalions]

Do we sign Joe for a two year extension if he spent the year struggling to stay fit? Absolutely not.

Which is probably why it was only 3 years to begin with.

 

[Tom14]

Which is probably why it was only 3 years to begin with.

Pretty confident it was mainly 3 years to get the bombers the compo. But that doens't mean the extension is illegal.

 

[dlanod]

Pretty confident it was mainly 3 years to get the bombers the compo. But that doens't mean the extension is illegal.

I remember it being reported as maybe in the $600ks for four years, Essendon had a tanty, then it became $700k for three years.

If this contract was $300k for a year, I can absolutely see a bit of dodginess to bring it to the original totals. If we're now doing $500k (I think I saw this figure floated in one of the articles) for a couple of years, that means what...? We're "rorting the system" by giving Joe more money, more years, and we don't drop the cap hit of the first three years either (because that's locked in per FA rules)? Wow, we're absolute geniuses.

 

[Cubs2Lions]

I remember it being reported as maybe in the $600ks for four years, Essendon had a tanty, then it became $700k for three years.

If this contract was $300k for a year, I can absolutely see a bit of dodginess to bring it to the original totals. If we're now doing $500k (I think I saw this figure floated in one of the articles) for a couple of years, that means what...? We're "rorting the system" by giving Joe more money, more years, and we don't drop the cap hit of the first three years either (because that's locked in per FA rules)? Wow, we're absolute geniuses.

 

[Elixuh]

I lean towards us offering the three years to get Essendon the compo they were pushing for to get the deal through.

But like others, I don't see the issue. We are operating within the rules and system implemented by the AFL. The AFL has intentionally made the compensation system ambiguous and murky. If it doesn't like the outcomes the system is generating then it needs to change the system.

On the face of it, I can't see how the AFL concludes that any sort of penalty is justified. I would think the absolute maximum would be a finding that Brisbane's conduct was not in the 'spirit' of the compensation system. Even then, I doubt you could penalise us because the system is so ambiguous and murky and every year you have teams saying, "up the offer or we match". I think it is more likely they change how the compensation system works.

 

[FLVanLandingham]

I heard because the AFL signed off on it there's no repercussions for us, they're just looking into it in case there needs to be changes to the rules they set? (or am I completely wrong there)

Honestly if the AFL want to look at dodgy trades, I'm still in complete confusion as to how we got Lyons

 

[Elixuh]

I heard because the AFL signed off on it there's no repercussions for us, they're just looking into it in case there needs to be changes to the rules they set? (or am I completely wrong there)

Honestly if the AFL want to look at dodgy trades, I'm still in complete confusion as to how we got Lyons

I think it would be an issue if we say that there was at the time of signing the three year agreement, an 'under the table' agreement that Joe would get five years at an average of $X or if we said Joe, we will sign you to 3 now and then 2 more in your second year. Because in those circumstances, we did not disclose the entirety of the deal to the AFL...that wouldn't be ideal.

But if we say that internally the plan was to give him three, see how he goes in the first year given injury troubles and then offer him an extension in the second, all things going well, then it should be ok.

 

[briztoon]

I remember it being reported as maybe in the $600ks for four years, Essendon had a tanty, then it became $700k for three years.

If this contract was $300k for a year, I can absolutely see a bit of dodginess to bring it to the original totals. If we're now doing $500k (I think I saw this figure floated in one of the articles) for a couple of years, that means what...? We're "rorting the system" by giving Joe more money, more years, and we don't drop the cap hit of the first three years either (because that's locked in per FA rules)? Wow, we're absolute geniuses.

Pretty sure the Lions released a statement at the time of the Joe rumours post season, say something to the effect of; that we would work with the AFL to come an appropriate contract offer for Joe, with the unspoken bit being, so that Essendon receives band one compensation.

 

[Tom14]

I remember it being reported as maybe in the $600ks for four years, Essendon had a tanty, then it became $700k for three years.

If this contract was $300k for a year, I can absolutely see a bit of dodginess to bring it to the original totals. If we're now doing $500k (I think I saw this figure floated in one of the articles) for a couple of years, that means what...? We're "rorting the system" by giving Joe more money, more years, and we don't drop the cap hit of the first three years either (because that's locked in per FA rules)? Wow, we're absolute geniuses.

Yeah exactly. Paying a player with an injury history for their 30 and 31yr old seasons 500k a season isn't exactly drastically below market rate.

This isn't like Adelaide where Tippet got a 200k payment outside the cap, and they made a separate second deal to trade him for a second round pick if he wished at hte end of his contract. I get it looks dodgy but thats the problem with the FA compo system - the AFL is the one responsible for that.

 

[Saucery]

Barrett has always been a clickbait sleaze...let's hope he does a Tom Morris and implodes sooner than later.

Not much chance of that, there's only one person he lusts after

 

[Saucery]

Do we sign Joe for a two year extension if he spent the year struggling to stay fit? Absolutely not.

“One thing people forget is that Joey Daniher hadn’t played football for two years,” Daly said.

“Whilst we were pumped to get him up here and we wanted to get him up here, we were never going to put him on a long-term contract, it was one of those ones where we gave him a couple of years and we’d work out at the end of that time where we all stood.

“But he had such a good year last year and he fell in love with Brisbane and our football club, and we fell in love with him that we thought it was a good opportunity in the pre-season to extend him.

“That’s what we did and he’s with us for a few more years and we’re all happy about that.”

Lions respond to question marks over Daniher contract restructure

"We were never going to put him on a long-term contract."

www.sen.com.au

 

[Section 5]

Don't the AFL have to approve all contracts
So the first one was approved as Jo played for us last year
Looks like the new contract was signed around 17th February 2022. Jo is still playing so that one also has to have been approved

If the AFL or any Club thought anything smelled fishy at the time it should have been sorted then.
Agree with Tom14 all this FA herbs and spices formula is all The AFL's doing

 

[Warwick]

Not much chance of that, there's only one person he lusts after

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Things that peeve me most about this game:
1. Short boundary throw ins
2. Southern yoke extension on a guernsey
3. Journalists photographed holding a football. Is it necessary? Cal Twomey is holding a bloody ball in every photo he's had taken.

 

[Tom14]

Pretty sure the Lions released a statement at the time of the Joe rumours post season, say something to the effect of; that we would work with the AFL to come an appropriate contract offer for Joe, with the unspoken bit being, so that Essendon receives band one compensation.View attachment 1350572

That was before the reporting on Essendon potentially matching and us switching to a 3 year deal. Don't think there is anything in that statement more than the sentiment that we would work through the FA process.

 

[Simbatheking21]

Not much chance of that, there's only one person he lusts after

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God I hate this goose

 

[Tom14]

There was a suggestion from Jon Ralph on Couch that Buddy's FA deal is the only one the AFL has been really vigilant on not allowing to be changed or smoothed. Not sure this is correct reporting which is quite an exclusive, or Ralph being wrong.

No confirmation whether or not Joe's extension involves any changes to his first 3 years. The conclusion/opinion was that the AFL was 'communicating' with us but not investigating, and nothing expected to come of it.

 

[martinson]

There was no guarantee Joe was going to stand up last year. No one else wanted him. He'd well and truly run his race at Essendon and I doubt he would've played at all if he had to stay there.

Other clubs and the media are just peeved that he could be a success story.