Mega Thread List Changes, Drafting, Trading & Rookie Thread

[Ford Fairlane]

James Ezard won a Magarey Medal and will never be drafted again.

What more could we do with Motlop? We changed his SANFL club and he was an ineffective in the new one as the old one. It can't always be about Port. The player has to want to improve.

 

[scottjr]

I remember Choco and co beside themselfs with joy the night Marlon was drafted... I don't think I've been more disappointed with a player that didn't come on....

Did he fracture his foot twice ?

 

[Lagooner]

I remember Choco and co beside themselfs with joy the night Marlon was drafted... I don't think I've been more disappointed with a player that didn't come on....

Great draft that one!

Pass on Marlon. If we go back for anyone I'd prefer it to be Giles. At least he's proven himself in the ruck this year and has looked pretty handy up forward at times too.

I'm really happy with all this talk of being a big player in trade week. Sometimes I think we place too much hope in picking up 'guns' in the draft, when some of our best players have come to the club via trades. Schulz and Ebert come to mind from the current group. The likes of Pickett, Hardwick, Wakelin from days gone by proved to be masterstrokes.

I'm not saying f@#k the draft, but I like the idea of 'diversifying our investment strategy'.

 

[It Just Is]

Marlon just looks comfortable playing against men this year, when i'm not sure he ever really did while at Port. Swan Districts have a fantastic record of helping develop indigenous boys on and off field. Marlon and Dayle Garlett form a pretty dangerous combo, i wouldn't be suprised if the club that drafts Garlett also takes Motlop.

 

[YoungsterPA]

I just really want jolly and sumner. If we can get both of these guys we are doing well

 

[Forzaport]

Marlon has certainly performed better this year than he ever did while listed at Port. He may get a go on an AFL club's rookie list but I doubt we'll target him. Choco may encourage Richmond to give Marlon a go.

 

[Powerade 08]

I remember Motlop having some decent games stats wise but he never had the skills or tricks of the other Motlops.

Jolly doesn't look a whole lot different to Hitchcock from his youtube vid but he was apparently highly rated 2 years ago so if we can get him for nothing why not.

Sumner - yes. To take Rodans spot.

 

[scottjr]

Sumners issues in the past were ?

 

[Powerade 08]

http://www.adelaidenow.com.au/ipad/swan-who-fell-to-earth/story-fn3o6wog-1226430109833

His first coach in Sydney was Paul Roos. He coached the Swans to a premiership in 2005 and has a reputation not only for his football brain but also as a decent bloke who cared for his players. Roos' first memories of Sumner are all encouraging. "He made an immediate positive impression when he first arrived at the footy club," Roos says. "If you'd have asked me who were the most likely blokes to play senior footy he was probably the one ahead of all the other draft picks (of that year)."

But Roos says Sumner became distracted by homesickness and missing his family in Adelaide. Eventually he wasn't able to cope with the demands of being an AFL footballer. Roos, though, says that is not all Sumner's fault, that sometimes too much is expected of these young boys. He believes it would be better if players could not be drafted until they were 19. "It's a very, very big step from where they are coming from to where they have to get to."

The AFL world is brutal and demanding. There is the training, there are meetings, there are weight and physio sessions. There is diet to consider. Every day players receive text messages telling them where they have to be at what time. It's a regimented life.

And Sumner couldn't cope. He was often late to training. He would miss sessions or fail to pay attention in meetings. The club would talk to him, try to help him. Sumner would make all the right noises about changing but soon fall back into old habits. His sins weren't the obvious ones that occasionally trip up young footballers. He wasn't led astray by booze or fighting. His transgressions were smaller, but the cumulative effect was enough to end his career at the Swans. "In two years at Sydney it was a rollercoaster," he says. "It was down then up. I could just never find that consistency and be stable."

 

[Stromageddon]

If Jolly was just a little shorter, he could make a claim for the nickname "the eighth dwarf"

 

[Natman]

Sumner and Jolly don't add anything to our mid group, let alone the top end. Going after guys who haven't achieved anything is not going to improve us.I would be happy with just Monfries and for a risk selection, Jurrah.

 

[RangaInTeal]

Jolly, O'Keefe, Sumner, Marshall, Beech or Solly, along with the Carlton CHB SA lad still my mature interests. If we move on Thomas, Logan, Rodan, Brett Ebert, Daniel Stewart, we should seriously top up the back end of our list. After taking a few kids in place of Phillips, Chaplin, possibly Pearce, I'm sure I'm missing a few others...

 

[The Smaller Warrior]

Jolly was highly rated.

He hasn't come on at the Gold Coast, but I reckon being back home he would succeed.

Would love him at the club.

 

[S.Patrol.G]

Sumner and Jolly don't add anything to our mid group, let alone the top end. Going after guys who haven't achieved anything is not going to improve us.I would be happy with just Monfries and for a risk selection, Jurrah.

In my opinion, Sumner is a much better footballer than Monfries and his only issues in Sydney revolved around homesickness. Would cost us a lot less too.

 

[Natman]

In my opinion, Sumner is a much better footballer than Monfries and his only issues in Sydney revolved around homesickness. Would cost us a lot less too.

Sumner has a long way to go to get to at least 150 games.

 

[Schulzenfest]

Sumner has a long way to go to get to at least 150 games.

So does Wingard. Would you trade him for Monfries?

Not saying Sumner is as good as Wingard, but your point doesn't really mean much.

 

[It Just Is]

Does anyone know anything about Patrick McCarthy? Hadn't heard of him untill two weeks ago, has he been injured since getting drafted, or just needed to bulk up?

Also, no new coach is ever going to let David Rodan get delisted.

 

[Natman]

So does Wingard. Would you trade him for Monfries?

Not saying Sumner is as good as Wingard, but your point doesn't really mean much.

Well it does in that Monfries has actually achieved a 150 games. Irrespective of anyone's opinion it can't be taken away. Sumner has achieved squat. I'm not saying that he can't or won't, it is just that it is pure speculation. It has got nothing to do with Wingard, because I could bring up a Marlon Motlop or another recently delisted player who "looks good" from brief video clips. I'm also not certain that he was only delisted for just being homesick.

 

[It Just Is]

Well it does in that Monfries has actually achieved a 150 games. Irrespective of anyone's opinion it can't be taken away. Sumner has achieved squat. I'm not saying that he can't or won't, it is just that it is pure speculation. It has got nothing to do with Wingard, because I could bring up a Marlon Motlop or another recently delisted player who "looks good" from brief video clips. I'm also not certain that he was only delisted for just being homesick.

Neither have achieved anything for the PAFC. It's about which of them will achieve more in the future.

 

[scottjr]

Sumner and Jolly don't add anything to our mid group, let alone the top end. Going after guys who haven't achieved anything is not going to improve us.I would be happy with just Monfries and for a risk selection, Jurrah.

Jurrah for sure as long as we can get him to come and train preseason....rookie list him and let him sort his crap out...I want to see that he wants to be here and play before we pick him up..Monfries can we wait and see what draft picks we have ...can we pinch Kennedy in the draft?

 

[Macca19]

James Ezard won a Magarey Medal and will never be drafted again.

What more could we do with Motlop? We changed his SANFL club and he was an ineffective in the new one as the old one. It can't always be about Port. The player has to want to improve.

Oh I agree. His form whilst with us, pretty much the entire time was beyond ordinary. Didnt look SANFL standard let alone getting close to an AFL game.

But...it is incredibly frustrating. Hes not the first of our delistees who has improved out of sight the minute he walks out the door.

 

[Ford Fairlane]

Oh I agree. His form whilst with us, pretty much the entire time was beyond ordinary. Didnt look SANFL standard let alone getting close to an AFL game.

But...it is incredibly frustrating. Hes not the first of our delistees who has improved out of sight the minute he walks out the door.

Dean Laidley was shouted down when he talked about culture problems ... maybe it's a mixture of issues. A culture of near enough is good enough so players don't give everything to improve.

Or maybe Motlop has found a level he is comfortable at.

 

[Natman]

Dean Laidley was shouted down when he talked about culture problems ... maybe it's a mixture of issues. A culture of near enough is good enough so players don't give everything to improve.

Or maybe Motlop has found a level he is comfortable at.

Same as Ezard.

 

[Ford Fairlane]

Same as Ezard.

Exactly.

But there are also players on our list who are obviously not walking the talk.

 

[Natman]

Exactly.

But there are also players on our list who are obviously not walking the talk.

I reckon we are going to take the weak but correct way to hold the delistings to the new coach. Too much emotional attachment exacerbated by the tragedy.