List Mgmt. List management for 2016

[Lagooner]

I have always thought this.

I reckon these guys would disagree.

 

[Portology]

If Broadbent isn't moved, then he needs to get away from the half back flank. We absolutely do not need him there anymore.

Well we can't have both him and Hammer parked there FFS, so who goes?

One is consistent but a slight underachiever of modest talent and the other a significant underachiever of great natural talent. I know which is more frustrating. I know we have no stick to motivate them with. I know the club that gets one or the other will have a decent accurate picture of the potentials. I think we can and should move one on, but probably not both.

It's not a Toby Thurstans scenario of a one-off string of games driving up value. Aaron Young would be a bit closer to that analogy.


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[TheBeardAmigos]

trade O'Shea to Brisbane for pick 56?

 

[Schulzenfest]

trade O'Shea to Brisbane for pick 56?

I'd do it for pick 560 if it came to that, but 56 will do nicely.

 

[broombroom9]

I'd rather keep Broadbent over Hartlett. We'll get more for hammer and I think broadly is more consistent

 

[TheBeardAmigos]

I'd rather keep Broadbent over Hartlett. We'll get more for hammer and I think broadly is more consistent

but Hammer's potential goes through the roof, whereas Broady is realistic performing to his peak. I know we need to make the tough calls, but Broady goes before Hammer imo

 

[broombroom9]

but Hammer's potential goes through the roof, whereas Broady is realistic performing to his peak. I know we need to make the tough calls, but Broady goes before Hammer imo

He's had labels of potential for years and not lived up to it, trade him on that potential while we still can

 

[Powerstufff]

trade O'Shea to Brisbane for pick 56?

Not disagreeing but why? Not going to clear much cap space. 3rd round picks not hugely aspirational. Not easy to convince Brisbane there is value in it. Not easy to convince O'shea there's value in it either I'd have thought.

 

[TheBeardAmigos]

Not disagreeing but why? Not going to clear much cap space. 3rd round picks not hugely aspirational. Not easy to convince Brisbane there is value in it. Not easy to convince O'shea there's value in it either I'd have thought.

Brisbane are short in running HBFs and he certainly isnt the worst option, but not the best and will cost little

 

[TheBeardAmigos]

He's had labels of potential for years and not lived up to it, trade him on that potential while we still can

true, but id give him one more year and force him to play midfield/half forward.
if he doesnt like it, he can POQ

 

[Schulzenfest]

Not disagreeing but why?

Because it means O'Shea's not on our list anymore.

 

[tribey]

I'm still unsure how Broady turned into Toby Thurstans in the eyes of board posters here.

Personally, I don't think his output is anywhere near good enough, or consistent enough, for his ability. Hell, Mike Sheehan even put him in his Top 50 for 2014 (#30, ahead of Riewoldt, Beams, Dusty, Goddard and Sauce), but like too many others, has merely treaded water since.

Is also yet another Albertonian HBF'er, which has to have replaced the Prospectwegian wingman as the most superfluous and redundant role in footy. Just how many flatter-to-deceivers do we need back there? Broadbent. Hammer. Dimitri. Krakouer. O'Shea.

At least DBJ and Pittard can be relied upon to step up and put in a two-way shift in a given week. And then there's Bonner. And Impey, who gradually seems to be getting there, albeit not in the role for which he was drafted.

If a first rounder or a genuine midfielder on commensurate salary is passed across the table we should absolutely consider it.

 

[JUSTWORK]

He's had labels of potential for years and not lived up to it, trade him on that potential while we still can

i think he'd excel in the right environment.

Centre Square clearance specialist rotating to half forward and short bursts in the middle.

Secondly, first sign of being lazy, not running, not chasing… NO warnings crab him by the trout and send him to the jaggies for a couple of weeks. Not the usual Hinckley crap, where if they have a bye in the SANFL (so playing no footy) straight back in, or just straight in after doing nothing after being dropped.

Take this crazy idea where you make people EARN THEIR SPOTS, not just gift it to them !

 

[Ford Fairlane]

Personally, I don't think his output is anywhere near good enough, or consistent enough, for his ability. Hell, Mike Sheehan even put him in his Top 50 for 2014 (#30, ahead of Riewoldt, Beams, Dusty, Goddard and Sauce), but like too many others, has merely treaded water since.

Is also yet another Albertonian HBF'er, which has to have replaced the Prospectwegian wingman as the most superfluous and redundant role in footy. Just how many flatter-to-deceivers do we need back there? Broadbent. Hammer. Dimitri. Krakouer. O'Shea.

At least DBJ and Pittard can be relied upon to step up and put in a two-way shift in a given week. And then there's Bonner. And Impey, who gradually seems to be getting there, albeit not in the role for which he was drafted.

If a first rounder or a genuine midfielder on commensurate salary is passed across the table we should absolutely consider it.

And yet his average disposal count, tackle count and scoring are all up this year compared to 2014. In a team which has struggled all year. He gets massive criticism to the point where people think he would have limited trade value but I would rather the reality of Matthew Broadbent than the illusion of a second or third round pick (which some people have spoken of).

Yes a first round pick would be worth attention but overall Broadbent has been better than many people have considered this year and the wolf pack mentality seems to have consumed him to some extent.

I would rate his output to date above any of those players you've grouped him with. We have an overabundance of HBFers. We can get rid of some of those without dumping the quality players.

 

[Powerstufff]

Zac Dawson's available and I want him. I don't actually want him to play although it's important we let him think we do so he keeps coming to training. Then at training I want him elbowed in the head every week.

 

[FishingRick04]

Personally, I don't think his output is anywhere near good enough, or consistent enough, for his ability. Hell, Mike Sheehan even put him in his Top 50 for 2014 (#30, ahead of Riewoldt, Beams, Dusty, Goddard and Sauce), but like too many others, has merely treaded water since.

Is also yet another Albertonian HBF'er, which has to have replaced the Prospectwegian wingman as the most superfluous and redundant role in footy. Just how many flatter-to-deceivers do we need back there? Broadbent. Hammer. Dimitri. Krakouer. O'Shea.

At least DBJ and Pittard can be relied upon to step up and put in a two-way shift in a given week. And then there's Bonner. And Impey, who gradually seems to be getting there, albeit not in the role for which he was drafted.

If a first rounder or a genuine midfielder on commensurate salary is passed across the table we should absolutely consider it.

Agree completely. By now he should have evolved into a full time mid or close to full time mid. Especially with his bigger body.

Our half back line appears to be home for our wanna be mids not motivated enough!

 

[Janus]

Personally, I don't think his output is anywhere near good enough, or consistent enough, for his ability. Hell, Mike Sheehan even put him in his Top 50 for 2014 (#30, ahead of Riewoldt, Beams, Dusty, Goddard and Sauce), but like too many others, has merely treaded water since.

Is also yet another Albertonian HBF'er, which has to have replaced the Prospectwegian wingman as the most superfluous and redundant role in footy. Just how many flatter-to-deceivers do we need back there? Broadbent. Hammer. Dimitri. Krakouer. O'Shea.

At least DBJ and Pittard can be relied upon to step up and put in a two-way shift in a given week. And then there's Bonner. And Impey, who gradually seems to be getting there, albeit not in the role for which he was drafted.

If a first rounder or a genuine midfielder on commensurate salary is passed across the table we should absolutely consider it.

Breust for Broadbent. Pants down lap around the table time.

 

[tribey]

And yet his average disposal count, tackle count and scoring are all up this year compared to 2014. In a team which has struggled all year. He gets massive criticism to the point where people think he would have limited trade value but I would rather the reality of Matthew Broadbent than the illusion of a second or third round pick (which some people have spoken of).

Yes a first round pick would be worth attention but overall Broadbent has been better than many people have considered this year and the wolf pack mentality seems to have consumed him to some extent.

I would rate his output to date above any of those players you've grouped him with. We have an overabundance of HBFers. We can get rid of some of those without dumping the quality players.

There's multiple problems with this though.

1) His average disposals sit at just 19. Is that really enough for a player in his role in today's possession-rich game where spreading to space to be an uncontested possession cog is everything? 19.

While he averaged a tick under that in 2014, his linebreaking (2.44 bounces per game vs. 0.81 in 2016) was indelibly crucial to our gameplan.

Now?

Eminently replaceable. Just like the others, except with genuine 'sell high' trade value.

2) A problem that has dogged him throughout his career is consistency. Will the real Hew Broadbent please stand up? Under Williams, Primus or Hinkley, you could never be sure whether he'll have 22 and dob a goal or one of his largely anonymous games where he has 12 or 13 and you barely notice him. The Geelong game this year was his career in microcosm. BOG after Q1. On a milk carton after that. I mean, look at these flucs:



And it's been a similar sheet year on year. Should be our Heath Scotland by now. Constant, experienced, influential performance. But isn't. Nowhere near.

At 26/27 he's not getting any better and is a perfect candidate for upgrade if there are other list managers out there who are as high on him and his right peg as I'm informed there are. You're right, a 2nd/3rd rounder would be pointless. But as I said, moving him on for a first or commensurately-credentialed midfielder (or forward) would be sound business.

 

[Ford Fairlane]

Good discussion tribey . Fair play.

 

[tribey]

Good discussion tribey . Fair play.

Luv u bae xo

 

[Shaucob_Burjan]

Broadbent strikes me as a player that is only capable of playing in his own comfort zone (not the only one). He doesn't move/carry the ball with dare/intent like Pittard and DBJ does. I don't know what the number says but I reckon a lot of his kicks are bomb the ball out of defense just for the sake of it kicks.

 

[Check-Raise !]

This has crossed my mind before re our home strip, especially when we play at night. The players are sometimes hard to pick up live at the game.

True but that could also work to our favour if they can't see where we are also.

 

[philthy05]

trade O'Shea to Brisbane for pick 56?

Yuck

Firstly , why the hell move on Oshea for a pick in a range when passing and rookie upgrades are the norm?

I absolutely guarantee that the amount of players actually drafted between say pick 56 and say pick 66 will be between 0-1. Probably zero. Would be no benefit at all to that trade. I would absolutely be looking for something beneficial to us or keep him as depth

Because it means O'Shea's not on our list anymore.

The old one eyed blinkers for rating players goes both ways. As good as sometimes you think your own players are , you sometimes think some of your lesser ones are bad when there are far far far worse out there. And I would say there are many many many teams out there with far worse depth than Oshea on their list. If you think discarding Oshea , as a player who should be in the 18-28 range on our list and replacing him with the last guy picked in the draft will be an upgrade on that region of our list ie 18-28 I would say buy a lotto ticket because you believe in miracles. it ain't gonna happen. Unless we are just cutting people for the sake of change , but then I would say far too little too late and the wrong people too. Ild move Oshea for broomhead , or a pick under 50 that may give us at least some chance to add a future player , or keep him.

 

[Schulzenfest]

The old one eyed blinkers for rating players goes both ways. As good as sometimes you think your own players are , you sometimes think some of your lesser ones are bad when there are far far far worse out there. And I would say there are many many many teams out there with far worse depth than Oshea on their list. If you think discarding Oshea , as a player who should be in the 18-28 range on our list and replacing him with the last guy picked in the draft will be an upgrade on that region of our list ie 18-28 I would say buy a lotto ticket because you believe in miracles. it ain't gonna happen. Unless we are just cutting people for the sake of change , but then I would say far too little too late and the wrong people too. Ild move Oshea for broomhead , or a pick under 50 that may give us at least some chance to add a future player , or keep him.

28-38 maybe. And that's at 24 years old after 81 games.

I bet the last guy picked in the draft wouldn't have made the same ridiculous mistake that O'Shea made against Carlton. Pick 56 isn't worth much, but I'd trade him for a half-eaten sandwich. And if nobody wants to give up a half-eaten sandwich for him, I'd delist him.

 

[charcolechaddy]

I would go as far to say handballing is the most underrated, overlooked skill in modern, congested



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I would say tackeling and hardness at the ball wins flags.