Mclean or Gysberts?

[Deefence]

Looking back on things we bascially traded a 24 year old ready made in and under tough nut with great endurance who can find the pill... or

a 18 yr old developing tall midfielder with great skills and good hands who will take a couple of years to settle into the AFL most likely.

Who do you think is better for current situation?

Someone who can contribute straight away and help this young team get up and going or a longer term prospect who may become a better player?

 

[cannons]

1. Jones can perform the same role as Brock does to a higher level

2. We won't be challenging for a premiership until Gysberts has had time to develop, so due to this, in conjunction with point 1, there won't be any loss in losing the ready-made Mclean

3. It's hard to know how Gysberts will adjust to AFL level, and whether or not he will make it. As such, it isn't really a question which has an answer at this point.

4. Brock didn't want to be here in the end, so it isn't really worth hanging on to someone who is unhappy, particularly when you can acquire something of value for him in exchange

 

[RandB]

There's a pretty in depth thread on this exact subject on Demonland. FWIW I'm quite happy with Brock making way for pick 11. Whether Gysberts turns out to be a good pick 11 only time will tell but the point is that we have another spot open to put one of our top picks on the field or at least create a rotation. Gysberts is simply another option on top.

 

[Bartram_Class]

McLean.

That said, considering he seemed keen to go, we did well out of it. Carlton didn't bend us over by any means, was a fair deal.

Would definitely still prefer Brock at the club though.

 

[Supermercado]

There's a pretty in depth thread on this exact subject on Demonland.

Where the point is quite rightly made that it's ******ed to try and compare a rookie who hasn't played a game to a guy who has been around for five years.

 

[RandB]

Where the point is quite rightly made that it's ******ed to try and compare a rookie who hasn't played a game

I agree, thought I'd try the subtle approach though.

 

[Deefence]

Where the point is quite rightly made that it's ******ed to try and compare a rookie who hasn't played a game to a guy who has been around for five years.

Relax fat man, its just abit of fun, nothing else to talk about

Nevertheless this thread wasnt created to compare players abilites!!!, in contrast it was created to compare their worth to the football club now and into the future, one being a ready made player with certian qualities and the other a longer term prospect with other qualities....GET IT???

 

[Demon 16]

Tough call to make right now. I actually really like the look of Gysberts and apparantly Prendergast rated him as the 4th best midfielder in the draft which suggests we would have picked him even higher than 11.

I really have concerns about McLeans body holding up for another 6 plus years. That could be one reason Gysberts may work out for us.

 

[goDees22]

Tough call to make right now. I actually really like the look of Gysberts and apparantly Prendergast rated him as the 4th best midfielder in the draft which suggests we would have picked him even higher than 11.

I really have concerns about McLeans body holding up for another 6 plus years. That could be one reason Gysberts may work out for us.

Every recruiter says that after the draft tho. West Coast said they had Naitanui at 1 and Swift at 2 in 08 when they got swift with pick 17 or so, which is certainly crap. Gysberts is more valuable because of his size and supposed pace he has a higher ceiling of becoming an elite player than Brock, and we have ready made replacements for him coming straight in at the start of the year

 

[Demonheart]

Every recruiter says that after the draft tho. West Coast said they had Naitanui at 1 and Swift at 2 in 08 when they got swift with pick 17 or so, which is certainly crap. Gysberts is more valuable because of his size and supposed pace he has a higher ceiling of becoming an elite player than Brock, and we have ready made replacements for him coming straight in at the start of the year

Sure, however some of these comments that the MFC FD made wre done before the draft.

 

[BigSexc]

Every recruiter says that after the draft tho. West Coast said they had Naitanui at 1 and Swift at 2 in 08 when they got swift with pick 17 or so, which is certainly crap. Gysberts is more valuable because of his size and supposed pace he has a higher ceiling of becoming an elite player than Brock, and we have ready made replacements for him coming straight in at the start of the year

well they must have rated him in the top 11 in the draft, and thats good enough for me. some good kids went after gysberts and they rated him higher than them. 4th or 11th, they are both high numbers

 

[Rojik of the Arctic]

Who the bloody hell is this McLean person anyway?

 

[Supermercado]

GET IT???

Yes, the stupidity of the debate is fairly obvious.

 

[Demon Revival]

Yes, the stupidity of the debate is fairly obvious.

What no comment on the "Fat Man" remark?, I would have thought "The Adonis" of the backline would of taken enormous offence at that comment...

But then again, Age does mellow one doesn't it???

 

[Supermercado]

Obviously I missed that moderately hilarious contribution to public debate.

 

[tenacious d]

We had a surplus of in and under types. One had to go, Brock and Carlton made the decision very easy.

 

[Demon 16]

We had a surplus of in and under types. One had to go, Brock and Carlton made the decision very easy.

We are pretty well balanced now imo. Brock was inside, but they all play both roles now I think.

 

[Sin City]

1. Jones can perform the same role as Brock does to a higher level

Can Jones really do it better than McLean when he's fit? Or is that just the normal BigFooty stuff of over rating the player at your own team?

Good luck with Gysberts, it'll be an interesting one to revisit in five years.

All the best in 2010

 

[dutchy12]

Can Jones really do it better than McLean when he's fit? Or is that just the normal BigFooty stuff of over rating the player at your own team?

Good luck with Gysberts, it'll be an interesting one to revisit in five years.

All the best in 2010

On Brock's 09 form with a doubt.

I think the big thing with Brock and ultimately who is to win out of this trade is how Brock's body stands up. Back in 2006 his 3rd year in the AFL he was a dynamic inside midfielder. Sadly after breaking his foot twice he became a plodder who wasn't particulary skilled or awesome at the clearances.

 

[Demon 16]

Can Jones really do it better than McLean when he's fit? Or is that just the normal BigFooty stuff of over rating the player at your own team?

Good luck with Gysberts, it'll be an interesting one to revisit in five years.

All the best in 2010

When both players are at their best, Brock does it better.

Jones is young enough to step up a level so fingers crossed we havnt seen his best yet.

 

[The Professor]

Can Jones really do it better than McLean when he's fit?

No. I rate Mclean higher then both Jones and Moloney but not by much. But we would've never got 11 for Jones or Moloney.

Gysbert will be more of a run and gun player.

Think both clubs balanced their midfields with that trade.

 

[Gravyman]

Was agreeably a win-win for both clubs, by firsthand look? Gysberts sounds to be the goods and Mcleans really coming along at carlton well.

 

[saj_21]

No. I rate Mclean higher then both Jones and Moloney but not by much. But we would've never got 11 for Jones or Moloney.

Gysbert will be more of a run and gun player.

Think both clubs balanced their midfields with that trade.

I agree. Moloney had a fantastic 09 season and can play the same role as Brock, add in Jones they are similar players which probably made the decision to allow Brock to be traded a bit easier. Throw in the fact we could get pick 11 and both clubs were hapy to get the deal done.

Gysberts is a bit more athletic than mclean from all reports, but prbly doesnt have the physical atriubtes mclean had (KO'd Kosi in the 06 Elim final). I see gyberts more like Scott pendleburry, a great inside player who is not physical.

He relies more on clean hands and evasiness to win the contested footy and feed of to the runners as opposed to brute strength. However give Pendleburry time and space to deliver by foot he is just as damaging, i see Gysberts as this type of player.

From all reports Brock is flying at the moment and i expect him to have a big year.

 

[RangaInTeal]

I would prefer Scully and Trengove with experiance in 2012 than a 27 year old Brock McLean. Grysberts will compliment the in and under two well as a hard working wingman.

 

[Sin City]

I would prefer Scully and Trengove with experiance in 2012 than a 27 year old Brock McLean.

Shouldn't have to worry about that, he only turns 26 in 2012. He's still a young player no matter what BF logic you try and spin on it.