Merged Draft Threads - Part 3

[Dick johnson]

If we were to get another first round pick, why would we go for Sidebottom, am still a little intrigued as to why, I would have suspected Tom Swift at 5, and Trengrove at 12 (if we get this pick), or maybe Lisle at 12 if Trengove is gone. I have always thought Swifty as the next best midfield prospect behind Rich, in terms of pure midfielder ability, as players like Sidebottom (B/HB), Ziebell B/HB/HF) and Hartlett (F/HF) are also able to play elsewhere, Swift just seems to have that extra little bit of class, I dont care he has not played footy for close to two years, the sheer fact he tested really well at draft camp has proven to me that he is well on his way to getting over his injuries sustained as a junior.

Thoughts....??

but you cant exactly say he has more class than sidebottom or ziebell. he may have had it 2 years ago, but not necessarily now. despite good camp results

 

[loopy_cam]

A question for all 'in the know'.

How do the u/16 championships rate in regards to the players coming out of them? Is it common for players to rip it up in the 16s but end up doing not so well in the 18s and AFL or do players usually maintain a high standard if they had it in the 16s? How did some of the better players in the AFL go when they were in the 16s? Basically, if a player played well in the 16 champs, is there a strong likelihood that he'll be a good qualityAFL player?

This would be helpful in regards to Tom Swift.

 

[The_Young_Gun]

Are you Bombers No 1?

Awhh, genius! Did you think that all by yourself.

 

[Colin D'Cops]

How do the u/16 championships rate in regards to the players coming out of them? Is it common for players to rip it up in the 16s but end up doing not so well in the 18s and AFL or do players usually maintain a high standard if they had it in the 16s?

From my perspective, in the under 16's you just usually look for the extraordinary things that kids do because not many players at that age have developed the consistancy factor.

Ryan Normington, a player that played very well in the U/16's a year or two ago for the Vics played very well in them, was shaping up as a first/second round pick but has dropped off quite dramatically. Showed ball winning ability but nothing out of the ordinary and don't think he'll get drafted.

As players get more mature and more experienced, naturally they learn to develop consistancy into their games. That's where the U/18's is a little bit more of a better measuring stick.

But in saying that, playing good, consistant footy would not in any way lower your chances of getting drafted at all, if you can carry the U/16 form into the U/18's you'd be probably chosen above a guy that has just blossomed in the U/18's just that year because you have had sustained ability technically speaking.

 

[Daytripper]

Ryan Normington, a player that played very well in the U/16's a year or two ago for the Vics played very well in them, was shaping up as a first/second round pick but has dropped off quite dramatically. Showed ball winning ability but nothing out of the ordinary and don't think he'll get drafted.

Just like his dad Dallas. He was a sensational youngster, playing seniors for Kyabram as a 14yo and looked a certainty to have a long and fruitful AFL career.

Think he managed just one season at Melbourne

 

[The Dustbin]

Just like his dad Dallas. He was a sensational youngster, playing seniors for Kyabram as a 14yo and looked a certainty to have a long and fruitful AFL career.

Think he managed just one season at Melbourne

Let's hope on this occassion it's not a case of like father like son.

 

[foj1]

Awhh, genius! Did you think that all by yourself.

Sorry little man but geez Ant555 tore you a new one. I am surprised you have the temerity to continue posting.
Youre a plucky tiger arent you

 

[bomber69]

Ant or foj, what are your thoughts on Dayne Beams? Only Queenslander this year who attended the draft camp and IMO certainly should be worth a look at towards a 4th round pick. He was Queenslands best player in the Champs.

 

[foj1]

Ant or foj, what are your thoughts on Dayne Beams? Only Queenslander this year who attended the draft camp and IMO certainly should be worth a look at towards a 4th round pick. He was Queenslands best player in the Champs.

I like Beams. I am not sold on his skill but he is pretty quick and certainly attacks the footy hard. I think 3rd to 4th round is pretty close to the mark.

 

[jgb99]

A question for all 'in the know'.

How do the u/16 championships rate in regards to the players coming out of them? Is it common for players to rip it up in the 16s but end up doing not so well in the 18s and AFL or do players usually maintain a high standard if they had it in the 16s? How did some of the better players in the AFL go when they were in the 16s? Basically, if a player played well in the 16 champs, is there a strong likelihood that he'll be a good qualityAFL player?

This would be helpful in regards to Tom Swift.

Some previous U16 medallists:

Kevin Sheehan Medal - Best and Fairest - Division 1

Year Player
1996 Michael Saunders (WA)
1997 Des Headland (WA)
1998 Joel Corey (WA)
1999 Nathan Lonie (Vic-M)
2000 Adam Fisher (Vic-C) & Ashley Sampi (WA)
2001 Brendon Goddard (Vic-C)
2002 Tim Schmidt (SA) & Josh Willoughby (SA)
2003 M.Clark (WA) & B.Deledio (Vic-C)
2004 L.Jetta (WA) & G.Grant (WA)
2005 J.Sellar (SA)
2006 H.Hartlett (SA)
2007 ???
2008 J.Toy (Vic-M)

Alan McLean Medal - Best and Fairest - Division 2

Year Player
1996 Andrew Staehr (Vic-C)
1997 Shaun Angeles (NT) & Brady Rawlings (TAS)
1998 Michael Osborne (QLD)
1999 Richard Cole (NT)
2000 Adam Schneider (NSW/ACT)
2001 Jarrad Mc Veigh (NSW/ACT) & Raphael Clarke (NT)
2002 Richard Tambling (NT)
2003 A.Hall (QLD) & L.Noel (Tas)
2004 D.Dzufer (QLD)
2005 C.Bird (NSW/ACT)
2006 M.Motlop (NT)
2007 D.Bevan (QLD)
2008 M.Weller (TAS)

 

[Colin D'Cops]

I'm doing some draft profiles for footydraft.com and I thought I'd share what players I have covered so far followed by a detailed profile ;

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Tom Lynch – Sandringham Dragons / Haileybury College
Ht: 191 cm
Wt: 84 kg
Junior Position: Centre Half Forward / Full Forward
AFL Position: Centre Half Forward / Full Forward
Tom Lynch is an AIS boy that has been playing for the Dragons in the TAC Cup.
He kicked 5 goals in his total of 4 games for the Dragons in the ’08 season and was named in the bests for them on two occasions. In one match of those four he played in he took a total of 13 marks and 5 of them were contested.
Likened to Matthew Bate from Melbourne, not only with his orange hair but with similar attributes such as being a leading, medium-tall forward that likes to lead up to the wings, likes to kick goals and would normally bring his teammates into the play. He came off a full knee reconstruction at the Champs and impressed a lot there despite his less than ideal preparation. He especially impressed against Tasmania, where he kicked 4 goals, kept presenting and really looked to get others into the game. He isn’t one of those one dimensional tall forwards, he can get down low and get the ground ball or he can crumb a goal from the boundary line.


David Zaharakis – Northern Knights / Marcellin College
Ht: 180 cm
Wt: 73 kg
Junior Position: Wing / Centre / Half forward
AFL Position: Wing / Centre / Half forward
David has been playing his junior footy for the Knights in the TAC Cup where he shows great pace off the mark and a willingness to run. Very strong around the hips so can shrug off tacklers and doesn’t mind pushing forward to kick a few goals.
In his ’08 season for the Knights, he played 10 matches and in 9 of them he was named in their bests. Against the Pioneers, he kicked 5 goals showing the footy world that he is definitely capable of hurting teams on the scoreboard and not just with his ball winning ability. Sometimes takes the game on a little too much, takes a few too many risks but you’d rather that then seeing a youngster be afraid of taking the game on. He could’ve been picked up last year as a bottom-ager but all clubs passed, but it’s believed that Hawthorn were seriously considering him with one of their late picks. Plenty of potential here, has all the tools to become a good player.


Jack Ziebell – Murray Bushrangers / Wodonga Bulldogs
Ht: 188 cm
Wt: 84 kg
Junior Position: Wing / Centre / Half forward
AFL Position: Wing / Centre / Half forward
Jack plays TAC Cup footy for the Bushrangers and because of his impressive season and brilliant bits of play, is widely touted to be a top 10 pick. He played 9 matches for Murray in the ’08 season, and featured in their bests on 6 occasions. Against the Stingrays, one of his better matches, he kicked 6 goals and took eleven marks proving to be a great forward option as well as a midfielder. Shows great decision making ability with the ball in his hands and can finish off his hard work with brilliant skills. He reads the play superbly but a problem which may arise at AFL is his stamina because he often needs a rest up forward once throughout a match. Was rewarded for a great series against Ireland last year where he won the Ben Mitchell medal for the best player in the Aus vs. Ireland series. Plenty of talent there and am sure whichever club gets him will be rapt with bringing this kid to their club.

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There's a few more added features as well on the footydraft website, (which is sponsored/run by BF I believe so it'll be worth having a look at just before draft time) which will list the weaknesses, strengths & question marks on each player for all your brain's to take in.

 

[GoDons]

First of fall, good work.

Got a few issues with a few of your calls though.

Tom Lynch
Ht: 191 cm
Wt: 84 kg
Junior Position: Centre Half Forward / Full Forward
AFL Position: Centre Half Forward / Full Forward

I can't see Tom Lynch being a KPP. He's not big to begin with, and I don't rate the physical side of his game. He's a good athlete, he presents well, I think he'd work best on a flank or as a third tall.

Also, he's played some football at CHB.

David Zaharakis – Northern Knights / Marcellin College
Ht: 180 cm
Wt: 73 kg
Junior Position: Wing / Centre / Half forward
AFL Position: Wing / Centre / Half forward

Very strong around the hips so can shrug off tacklers.

Against the Pioneers, he kicked 5 goals showing the footy world that he is definitely capable of hurting teams on the scoreboard and not just with his ball winning ability.

I don't see those traits in him so much to begin with, and I don't think they'll be very apparent at AFL level.

He's a very little guy and, from what I've seen of him, looks far more comfortable when he's lining up to receive.

 

[Colin D'Cops]

I can't see Tom Lynch being a KPP. He's not big to begin with, and I don't rate the physical side of his game. He's a good athlete, he presents well, I think he'd work best on a flank or as a third tall.

Also, he's played some football at CHB.



I don't see those traits in him so much to begin with, and I don't think they'll be very apparent at AFL level.

He's a very little guy and, from what I've seen of him, looks far more comfortable when he's lining up to receive.

With Lynch ; I don't think he'll play in defence at all and I think he work bests as a CHF, beating him with pace, etc but he has also played a lot of footy at FF in the TAC Cup.

With Zaharakis ; I've seen a fair bit of him, a lot actually for Vic Metro and in the TAC Cup and I have seen him get in and under and get the hard ball as well as recieve, so that's what I've seen and that's what I wrote in that profile.

 

[GoDons]

With Lynch ; I don't think he'll play in defence at all and I think he work bests as a CHF, beating him with pace, etc but he has also played a lot of footy at FF in the TAC Cup.

Never said he was going to play in defence in the future, but he has played there, and you didn't acknowledge that.

With Zaharakis ; I've seen a fair bit of him, a lot actually for Vic Metro and in the TAC Cup and I have seen him get in and under and get the hard ball as well as recieve, so that's what I've seen and that's what I wrote in that profile.

I saw more of him last year, I'm a bit behind on the kids this year, and that area of his game was non-existent.

In what I've seen this year, I would've said that's probably the one area of his game that hasn't improved markedly.

 

[Colin D'Cops]

In what I've seen this year, I would've said that's probably the one area of his game that hasn't improved markedly.

Well I'm the opposite, have seen a lot of him this year and was limited last year.

Whilst I know where you're coming from, and I respect your opinion, I have seen him be an outside & inside midfielder in the TAC Cup and in the Championships, throughout the year through multiple matches.

 

[GoDons]

Well I'm the opposite, have seen a lot of him this year and was limited last year.

Whilst I know where you're coming from, and I respect your opinion, I have seen him be an outside & inside midfielder in the TAC Cup and in the Championships, throughout the year through multiple matches.

Having only seen him twice this year, I'm probably out of my depth commenting on him.

 

[Sigmund]

Jeezz I am getting tired of posters getting on starting their post with

- "a mate of mine told me".........."was speaking to someone who knows (insert player x).... ("player x is a family friend of mine and he told me that".........

If you can't prove it, don't post it

 

[dons_fan185]

Jeezz I am getting tired of posters getting on starting their post with

- "a mate of mine told me".........."was speaking to someone who knows (insert player x).... ("player x is a family friend of mine and he told me that".........

If you can't prove it, don't post it

i see where you're coming from but word of mouth is just as reliable as media publications. i'm sure you'll find a lot of what has been published on line and in the papers has originated from forums like this one.
in fact if you honestly think that your friend of a friend is a reliable source then why the hell not post what they've said.

i hate to sh*t all over your argument but i think hearsay is kinda valuable to gossip forum

 

[KING-JAMES]

I think we will go best available and us picking up Prismall is irrelevant. I'm hoping its Hamish Hartlett because I think his what we need. Has good skills, composure and is a smooth mover who would be ready to play some senior football early on in his career, serving a small apprenticeship at Bendigo early on. His played a lot of football injured the past 2 seasons, breaking his ankle and having a shoulder injury this season. Told me he has had very limited preseasons so for him to play at the level he has its pretty impressive for mine. On top of it his a great bloke, who isn't fazed by moving to Melbourne.

However If the club is going down the path of building a midfield with height and power, Jack Ziebell would be a great fit as his versatile and can bring his man forward if he isn't getting into the game. Also played injured at a high standard, and is bottom aged. From all reports a big leader too, so certainly not against picking up Jack either. Lack of pace maybe a concern for our midfield possibly.

Sidebottom is a roughy for mine but certainly wouldn't be disappointed in picking up a player who racks it up and has elite skills by foot. Also has some of the best set of dukes I have seen for a bloke his height at under 18 level. Helps his a bomber fan too

Who knows what we want though.

 

[Myers Fanatic]

Good post
I agree with you, I think Hamish Hartlett is very much the smooth mover, and I would love to see him in the red and black next year. However since we have stitched up Primsall, and kept Lovett I have a feeling we may opt for Hurley seeing as we have a large range of midfielders now. Although in saying that, you're right, who knows what the club is looking for.

 

[hulld]

We will never get a better opportunity to strengthen up our backline people. We must take Hurley

 

[DaSawx]

If the Knights, Dodoro ect like Lisle, think he can be a player and think he'll be there at 23 I'd say we'll pass on Hurley.

Hard to choose between Sidebottom and Hartlett for mine.

 

[LukeParkerno1]

We will never get a better opportunity to strengthen up our backline people. We must take Hurley

Port are likely to take him at pick4,

 

[hulld]

i doubt that. he is quite similar to carlisle. plus they have chaplin down there. not to mention that toby thurstans was handy down back in his first year as a defender. they'll take vickery in order to replace lade, or the local boy hartlett

 

[Silvagnis]

i doubt that. he is quite similar to carlisle. plus they have chaplin down there. not to mention that toby thurstans was handy down back in his first year as a defender. they'll take vickery in order to replace lade, or the local boy hartlett

They also have a CHB in Paul Stewart who looks the part, but they could pick Hurley as a replacement for Tredrea.

Their key forward cupboard is bare bar the Westhoffs.

I think we will go best available and us picking up Prismall is irrelevant. I'm hoping its Hamish Hartlett because I think his what we need. Has good skills, composure and is a smooth mover who would be ready to play some senior football early on in his career, serving a small apprenticeship at Bendigo early on. His played a lot of football injured the past 2 seasons, breaking his ankle and having a shoulder injury this season. Told me he has had very limited preseasons so for him to play at the level he has its pretty impressive for mine. On top of it his a great bloke, who isn't fazed by moving to Melbourne.

Not surprising when Adam should get another year after the Warnock trade went through for picks 24 and 56.

Did he say he wanted to play for Carlton?

I found HH's myspace page as the first result when I googled Hamish Hartlett.

Steele who?