Merged Draft Threads - Part 3

[FandangoDingo]

It doesn't look set on those three at all. It's merely media speculation. I doubt that the best journo with all of the contacts you could dream of would know what our preferences are. Hell, Dodoro's wife probably doesn't know.

She talked him into Austin Lucy, Kepler Bradley & Ty Zantuck. I'm glad he's keeping his missus out of the loop this time!

At this point in time, I would take with a grain of salt even things I hear directly from "the horse's mouth". Nothing to gain and plenty to lose by laying our cards on the table now. Expect smokescreens, decoys and tricks!

For mine, it's from Sidebottom, Ziebell, Hartlett, Swift or possibly Trengrove at pick 5. Don't think we'd pass on Rich or Nick Nat if they happened to slip.

Whichever way it pans out, I'm quietly confident we'll get an absolute ripper!!!

 

[Yoda_]

Who else are we looking to pick up later in the draft.. am sick of hearing the same 4 - 5 names that we MIGHT, pick up with pick 5, what about our other picks.

for mine, pick 23, Nick Suban is a real steal here. I am hoping he may slide to hear, if not, possibly one of James Strauss, or even Dan Hannebury could be available here,

PICK 55 is pure speculative i would say, but maybe one of Riley milne, rory sloan, mitch banner might still be available.

pick 71 if we use this, then maybe a rookie listing on the main list, ie a Jason davenport, or even Tom Hislop,

 

[Windas_Magic]

Who else are we looking to pick up later in the draft.. am sick of hearing the same 4 - 5 names that we MIGHT, pick up with pick 5, what about our other picks.

for mine, pick 23, Nick Suban is a real steal here. I am hoping he may slide to hear, if not, possibly one of James Strauss, or even Dan Hannebury could be available here,

PICK 55 is pure speculative i would say, but maybe one of Riley milne, rory sloan, mitch banner might still be available.

pick 71 if we use this, then maybe a rookie listing on the main list, ie a Jason davenport, or even Tom Hislop,

At 23, i would love Strauss or Ash Smith but would also look at O'Keefe, Suban and Hannebery. If Trengove happened to slip, then there's no doubt i'd take him and i wouldn't mind Lisle at 23 either. This would depend on who we take at five.

At 55 i really don't know who we would look at but i wouldn't be totally against Skipworth at 71.

 

[Yoda_]

At 23, i would love Strauss or Ash Smith but would also look at O'Keefe, Suban and Hannebery. If Trengove happened to slip, then there's no doubt i'd take him and i wouldn't mind Lisle at 23 either. This would depend on who we take at five.

At 55 i really don't know who we would look at but i wouldn't be totally against Skipworth at 71.

an interesting one isnt it. is that lacking 25 - 30 y.o strong body that we could use, the thing that i have been thinking about is, where will he play in the seniors, if; we pick him, a midfielder, as he played there more than anywhere at Bendigo, or would we use him at half back where the crows used him, i am still unsure as to where he could play.

Ash Smith is an interesting one, reminds me.. alot of Jarred Brennan. can do the unimaginable, but can make the easy look difficult, is super quick though, as proven at DC, and could play as a third tall, although we seem to have a few of them though, so I wouldnt think he is that much on the radar of Dodoro.

 

[Burzum]

an interesting one isnt it. is that lacking 25 - 30 y.o strong body that we could use, the thing that i have been thinking about is, where will he play in the seniors, if; we pick him, a midfielder, as he played there more than anywhere at Bendigo, or would we use him at half back where the crows used him, i am still unsure as to where he could play.

Ash Smith is an interesting one, reminds me.. alot of Jarred Brennan. can do the unimaginable, but can make the easy look difficult, is super quick though, as proven at DC, and could play as a third tall, although we seem to have a few of them though, so I wouldnt think he is that much on the radar of Dodoro.

Smith is a 185cm wingman...

 

[Yoda_]

Smith is a 185cm wingman...

watch much stingrays games this year, see much championship games..
never mentioned his height at all...

but he did in fact play alot of time up forward (HFF) as well as off a back flank.. he was predominantly used there in the champs, so people seem to go off what they see in the champs.. i actually watched a few of their games this year. un like a few people on here.

 

[Burzum]

watch much stingrays games this year, see much championship games..

He played off half back in the VM vs. WA game IIRC.

 

[Yoda_]

He played off half back in the VM vs. WA game IIRC.

yes. and in the game at Casey Fields was used in a forward role, with a little bit of time off the near wing to the grand stand. aswell as some time down back..

 

[yaco55]

I would be happy with Mitch Banner at 55.

 

[Merv]

I would be happy with Mitch Banner at 55.

Knights won't be, his kicking is terrible.

 

[efcboy]

for mine pick 55 and 71 both hinge on what happens with pick 5. if they take a mid like hartlett with pick5, assuming hurley/trengove gone by pick 23 then they will be probably again take best available being another mid/flanker which would mean taking key defenders later with pick 55 and 71. in this scenario i see riley milne, zach senstock and alex stopp coming into play as defenders.

if hurley or trengove are taken at pick 5 then there is less need to play safety taking 2 defenders later. in this scenario i'd say they might be more likely to take another young ruckmen at 55 or 71.

 

[yaco55]

Knights won't be, his kicking is terrible.

The problem is that all the scribes on Big Footy claim that no player in the upcoming draft can KICK.

The facts are that elite kicking efficiency in the AFL is around 75 to 80%.

Even an elite player like Chris Judd struggles to reach 75%.

WE all need to get a grip on our overinflated expectations as the perfect footballer has never existed.

 

[Enki]

The problem is that all the scribes on Big Footy claim that no player in the upcoming draft can KICK.

The facts are that elite kicking efficiency in the AFL is around 75 to 80%.

Even an elite player like Chris Judd struggles to reach 75%.

WE all need to get a grip on our overinflated expectations as the perfect footballer has never existed.

Yes, and the "scribes" are generally full of themselves. This doesn't negate the fact Banner is a below average kick, and we don't need any more players with Peverill-like desposal. There is a difference between unrealistic expectations and targeted drafting. Knights won't be looking for the perfect footballer at 55+ but he will probably prioritise players who are reasonable kicks and have good kicking actions that can be worked on.

And Judd, as brilliant as he is and elite player he may be, is not an elite kick and this is the one area of his game that even West Coast fans (back when he was playing for the Eagles) admitted could be better. That's not to say Judd is a bad kick, but Hird was an elite player and he wasn't an elite kick either.

 

[Phat Toni]

Yes, and the "scribes" are generally full of themselves. This doesn't negate the fact Banner is a below average kick, and we don't need any more players with Peverill-like desposal. There is a difference between unrealistic expectations and targeted drafting. Knights won't be looking for the perfect footballer at 55+ but he will probably prioritise players who are reasonable kicks and have good kicking actions that can be worked on.

And Judd, as brilliant as he is and elite player he may be, is not an elite kick and this is the one area of his game that even West Coast fans (back when he was playing for the Eagles) admitted could be better. That's not to say Judd is a bad kick, but Hird was an elite player and he wasn't an elite kick either.

That’s the beauty of our game, because the players and the ball travel in both directions unrestricted and due to the number of players on the field a player can have a number of “apparent” deficiencies yet still be an excellent player. Jason Johnson is a prime example of this, his kicking was well below par, he had very limited speed and his agility was quite poor. Yet he was still one of the best players over the past 10 years for a club that won a flag played in another GF and played a number of finals.

I think people need to be a little bit mindful that different types of players have different uses. If somebody has below par kicking does mean they are bad players, if their name is getting mention amongst the elite juniors then they obviously have something to offer.

 

[Merv]

The problem is that all the scribes on Big Footy claim that no player in the upcoming draft can KICK.

The facts are that elite kicking efficiency in the AFL is around 75 to 80%.

Even an elite player like Chris Judd struggles to reach 75%.

WE all need to get a grip on our overinflated expectations as the perfect footballer has never existed.

That's not true at all as many of the kids are excellent kicks.

Hurley, Sidebottom, Strauss, Smith, Yarran, Ziebell, the list goes on.

You talk about the perfect footballer but no one is expecting that and all i mentioned was that Knights won't be happy, as you would be with Banner.

He is generally poor kick.

 

[Enki]

I think people need to be a little bit mindful that different types of players have different uses. If somebody has below par kicking does mean they are bad players, if their name is getting mention amongst the elite juniors then they obviously have something to offer.

Obviously some players break the mould and it's true you have to be able to keep an open mind to less well rounded young players. I merely agree with Merv that Knights will probably be looking for kids with a good kick, even if they found the ball a little less at junior level than others like Banner, that is simply something he seems to find important.

 

[Windas_Magic]

You can pretty much rule out us drafting any kid with bad footskills. We're looking to build a hard running skillful team and it would've been one of the reasons we went with Myers over Palmer last year.

 

[yaco55]

That's not true at all as many of the kids are excellent kicks.

Hurley, Sidebottom, Strauss, Smith, Yarran, Ziebell, the list goes on.

You talk about the perfect footballer but no one is expecting that and all i mentioned was that Knights won't be happy, as you would be with Banner.

He is generally poor kick.

You are missing my point.

All these players and Rich have been criticised by BF scribes ( not all ) for having deficiencies in their kicking.

AFL clubs aspire for their players to hit the target 80% of the time - This means 4 out of 5 kicks.

Seriously has one of the most devastating left foot that I have ever seen, but he is criticised for missing some targets.

Hird was far from an elite kick but was a champion player.

People need to obtain a dose of reality .

 

[Yoda_]

Apologies for the double print, didnt mean too.

 

[Yoda_]

You are missing my point.

All these players and Rich have been criticised by BF scribes ( not all ) for having deficiencies in their kicking.

AFL clubs aspire for their players to hit the target 80% of the time - This means 4 out of 5 kicks.

Seriously has one of the most devastating left foot that I have ever seen, but he is criticised for missing some targets.

Hird was far from an elite kick but was a champion player.

People need to obtain a dose of reality .

that my dear boy is a smart thing to say, he was also taken late in the draft, and what a champion he turned out to be. who would be up their with disposal efficienct, for us. Fletcher, 82% efficiency, mark mcveigh 69%, david myers, 69%, brent stanton 70%, the fact is, elite disposal efficiency is what its all about, Daniel Cross is the best handballer in the AFL one would imagine, can he kick, no, but he is working on it. Lindsay Gilbee is the yardstick in the comp and he is only at 83%, fletcher is at 82%, and he had a touch under 300 disposals this year, i would love someone to get the ball 30 times, and have an efficiency of around 65% rather than someone who gets it 10 times and has an efficiency rate of 75%, you can work on someones skills, fine tune them, but you simply cannot teach someone how to find the ball, you canadvise, but the sheer ball winning ability shows how hard they are willing to work to bust their gut to get to the next contest. all I am saying is, get the guy who can get the pill, work with what you have, and the rest should flow from their.

Has anyone thought about another tall option up forward for this draft, for mine, i would really like to see us take a tall forward, or a third tall in this draft, possibly a Tom Lynch maybe, as a forward line of Neagle and Gumbleton is good, but you need people to put pressure on them to hold their spots, at Hawthorn this year, hate to say it, they had Dawson pressing for a spot in the seniors as a forward, I know it would never happen, but he was peforming, and doing it well, same as a ruckmen, I really hope T-Bell can come on again and show us all that he is gonna be a force in a couple of years time. Would really like one of James Strauss or Daniel Hannebury possibly at pick 23, as they have class written all over them, can run all day and can find the ball, even if we pick a mid with our first pick, use our later pick (#71) on a tall option that may still be left, or even a rookie spot, I have said throughout the year, but we could re rookie Andrew Lee, couldnt we, have put 3 - 4 years development into the kid, so why dont we put some faith into him for one more year, same as we aremost likely going to do with Tom Hislop, or even Hayden Skipworth.

 

[Merv]

You are missing my point.

All these players and Rich have been criticised by BF scribes ( not all ) for having deficiencies in their kicking.

AFL clubs aspire for their players to hit the target 80% of the time - This means 4 out of 5 kicks.

Seriously has one of the most devastating left foot that I have ever seen, but he is criticised for missing some targets.

Hird was far from an elite kick but was a champion player.

People need to obtain a dose of reality .

I'm not missing your point but what you are doing is changing the argument.

You wanted Banner and i said Knights wouldn't because he is a poor kick.

You then turned it around to the BF scribes criticized everyones kicking and i replied with players that are excellent kicks.

If others say they are not good kicks, well that's their opinion but one very few would share.

Hird also played in an era where disposal wasn't as important as it is now and secondly he made up for it many times over but by the same token he was no butcher of the ball like Banner is.

 

[LukeParkerno1]

That's not true at all as many of the kids are excellent kicks.

Hurley, Sidebottom, Strauss, Smith, Yarran, Ziebell, the list goes on.

You talk about the perfect footballer but no one is expecting that and all i mentioned was that Knights won't be happy, as you would be with Banner.

He is generally poor kick.

Agreed, I'll be pissed if we drafted Banner, a worse version than De Boer (or De Clanger as most call him)

 

[Burzum]

Agreed, I'll be pissed if we drafted Banner, a worse version than De Boer (or De Clanger as most call him)

Hartlett is an interesting one. I think he'll go by the end of the 1st round as he has a LOT of X Factor about him. A better version of De Boer. De Boer could be one that slips to the PP.

Rather get real quality midfielder like Rich, Suban or De Boer

 

[Essendonfc_4_lyfe]

fail.


TBH, I don't know much about the draft, but I'd like to get a quality midfielder, which looks like Knights is after, referring to you're "reveal all" thread ROG

So maybe a Rich slip, Ziebell, Hartlett...?

 

[foj1]

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