Agreed, was also thinking this (plus Hamill)
-
AFLW Draft - Tonight at 7PM
The livestream will be available on womens.afl & the AFLW app. Join our live chat!
-
Mobile App Discontinued
Due to a number of factors, support for the current BigFooty mobile app has been discontinued. Your BigFooty login will no longer work on the Tapatalk or the BigFooty App - which is based on Tapatalk.
Apologies for any inconvenience. We will try to find a replacement.
Mongrel - who has it who doesn't ? Does it Matter?
- Thread starter JustaBattler
- Start date
- Tagged users None
🥰 Love BigFooty? Join now for free.
Mongrel gives a player presence, opposition players soon find out.
Look at Stocker putting Mihocek into outer space, other sides tread wary with him about.
You give a guy like that full licence, granted he’ll be rubbed along the journey, but he hurts people.
Look at Stocker putting Mihocek into outer space, other sides tread wary with him about.
You give a guy like that full licence, granted he’ll be rubbed along the journey, but he hurts people.
Mongrel is important because it is a degree of competitiveness. Competitiveness is important because if you don't have it you will not make it in professional sport because professional sport is hugely competitive.
Players who were/are super competitive. In the past SOS, it was his greatest feature, he's do anything to win. He'd hurt himself to win a contest. Simpson, Diesel and Judd were the same. I love how Viney plays at Melbourne. Competitive players push the boundaries and that's what we call mongrel. It's the decisions they make to go that little bit further and do that little bit more.
From playing, competitiveness has ebbed and flowed with me and it probably comes down to what you have to play for. If you are playing to win and achieve big you are more competitive than when you are just making up the numbers and that's how mongrel comes out. A losing culture and lack of leadership can come into play here. Little examples would be catching a player blind sided you might try and run through them or you might just leave it. A player sitting under the ball you might float over the top and make a spoil or you might hit them as hard as you can with your body and hip while making the spoil or you might catch someone in a tackle and just wrap them up or you might bring them down hard and give them a taste of the dirt.
I see our list as a group of players who has been taking that too nice approach and playing in a way where we aren't playing to win and aren't competing hard enough and aren't pushing those boundaries. I can go through a long list of players who are some of our better players who don't hit them hard when they get opportunities and just go through the motions.
Weitering has been one for example, plays really well, very good player, does a lot right but doesn't take opportunities to hurt the opposition and hit blokes with his body and as a key defender and you do get those opportunities and you can do it within the rules quite easily. You can play well and be in the better players but you can add to your game and give it another layer. He's improved with this but it hasn't come naturally for him IMO.
Again driving how you play comes from the coaches and the leadership group. It's something I'd love to get right. I really enjoyed watching Carlton sides who had very competitive and physical players in the 90s and very early 2000's who really pushed those boundaries. Don't play fair, don't be nice, if you can hurt the opposition then you do it but do it within the rules and compete for the ball like your life depends on it. That's something we need to get to win a flag. Teams shouldn't like playing against you, players shouldn't like playing on you.
Players who were/are super competitive. In the past SOS, it was his greatest feature, he's do anything to win. He'd hurt himself to win a contest. Simpson, Diesel and Judd were the same. I love how Viney plays at Melbourne. Competitive players push the boundaries and that's what we call mongrel. It's the decisions they make to go that little bit further and do that little bit more.
From playing, competitiveness has ebbed and flowed with me and it probably comes down to what you have to play for. If you are playing to win and achieve big you are more competitive than when you are just making up the numbers and that's how mongrel comes out. A losing culture and lack of leadership can come into play here. Little examples would be catching a player blind sided you might try and run through them or you might just leave it. A player sitting under the ball you might float over the top and make a spoil or you might hit them as hard as you can with your body and hip while making the spoil or you might catch someone in a tackle and just wrap them up or you might bring them down hard and give them a taste of the dirt.
I see our list as a group of players who has been taking that too nice approach and playing in a way where we aren't playing to win and aren't competing hard enough and aren't pushing those boundaries. I can go through a long list of players who are some of our better players who don't hit them hard when they get opportunities and just go through the motions.
Weitering has been one for example, plays really well, very good player, does a lot right but doesn't take opportunities to hurt the opposition and hit blokes with his body and as a key defender and you do get those opportunities and you can do it within the rules quite easily. You can play well and be in the better players but you can add to your game and give it another layer. He's improved with this but it hasn't come naturally for him IMO.
Again driving how you play comes from the coaches and the leadership group. It's something I'd love to get right. I really enjoyed watching Carlton sides who had very competitive and physical players in the 90s and very early 2000's who really pushed those boundaries. Don't play fair, don't be nice, if you can hurt the opposition then you do it but do it within the rules and compete for the ball like your life depends on it. That's something we need to get to win a flag. Teams shouldn't like playing against you, players shouldn't like playing on you.
Log in to remove this Banner Ad
thylacine60
Post-Human
- Banned
- #380
Beautiful. We need to be better than just waiting around for 13 to obliterate someone.
ferrisb
Brownlow Medallist
- Sep 19, 2019
- 11,751
- 16,165
- AFL Club
- Carlton
- Other Teams
- Lakeshow
Mongrel is hardness at the ball and the ability to run through the consistent pressure and structures in modern footy, not smacking blokes into the second row. This was heaps fun to watch though. LOB stood up is a few melees early on and was said to have mongrel. Hasn’t aged well. On the other hand, Ed just keeps smacking into blokes and running all day. That’s admirable mongrel.
Not sure we have too many on our list. I like Weibot’s ability to hit and bounce back into action. Crippa has it but, can be mongrelled off his game. Stoker has it. Williams is anti mongrel and it hurts.
Not sure we have too many on our list. I like Weibot’s ability to hit and bounce back into action. Crippa has it but, can be mongrelled off his game. Stoker has it. Williams is anti mongrel and it hurts.
I think Williams has plenty mongrel and can't remember him shirking a contest/tackle
ferrisb
Brownlow Medallist
I think LargeMostImportantMealOfTheDay was talking about players' ability to bounce back from hits and knocks and the general rough and tumble of AFL footy.
More the resilience and toughness side of bravery, not the courage side...
I don't doubt Williams' ticker. But he has shown a tendency to struggle through niggles. In a sense he isn't made of 'tough stuff'. Not mentally, but physically. Perhaps physiologically weak (is that accurate?)
Not picking on him, I get it. I can roll my ankle or tweak my knee just thinking about changing direction...
Yeah, he's more Marchbank than Simpson when it comes to niggles. Fingers crossed he has a better run at it next season.
thylacine60
Post-Human
- Banned
- #386
what about mongrel in the head? to fight through mental health issues, to push through injury, to endure a bad run of form and come back from it?
Metalcrusher
A God Amongst The People
- Banned
- #387
Is that mongrel or strength of character?
thylacine60
Post-Human
- Banned
- #388
perceptive inquiry gets you a leave pass until you shit me again - use it wisely - mongrel is a colloquialism for toughness - can this include mental toughness?
Metalcrusher
A God Amongst The People
- Banned
- #389
thylacine60
Post-Human
- Banned
- #390
back you go for inappropriate sass..............
Toughness is many forms, courage, pain barriers, workrate, etc
Physical and mental, goes hand in hand in hand
Physical and mental, goes hand in hand in hand
thylacine60
Post-Human
- Banned
- #392
the regular supporter really only appreciates the mongrel that is tangible..........ie that which leaves an opposition player crumpled, hurt or very nervous
🥰 Love BigFooty? Join now for free.
Metalcrusher
A God Amongst The People
- Banned
- #395
- Sep 19, 2019
- 11,751
- 16,165
- AFL Club
- Carlton
- Other Teams
- Lakeshow
Gets pseudo injuries very regularly and has a serious ‘it’s too hard face’ too often for my liking.
thylacine60
Post-Human
- Banned
- #398
"it's too hard" face? this some form of giveaway symptom?
- Sep 19, 2019
- 11,751
- 16,165
- AFL Club
- Carlton
- Other Teams
- Lakeshow
More this one.
thylacine60
Post-Human
- Banned
- #400
yeah nah.........a grimace can mean anything - just like no grimace.......
Similar threads
- Poll
