Opinion Most Underated & Overated player from each team.

[hilly]

Dylan Moore was the only player aside from Marcus Bontempelli to average over 20 disposals and a goal a game this season, yet I'd wager a large percentage of opposition supporters couldn't pick him out of a police lineup.

Took him as a smokey late in my SuperCoach draft off the back of his last six games in 2021. Did even better than I'd hoped for.

Still not sure I could pick him out of a police line-up though.

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[danster168]

Good player? He was a great player.

I’m not getting upset, I’ve ridiculed your statement. People disagreeing with your s**t opinions on an internet forum isn’t them getting upset, I’ve seen you pull this claim before if I remember correctly as if it’s some get out of jail free card to defend your s**t takes.

You provided reasons after I said you had no basis for your over rated claim, and I told you why those supposed reasons were horseshit (proved they were factually incorrect)

He was never “shopped” around positions. He was elite in the forward line and midfield.

This is clearly the statement of someone who is not at all familiar with Robbie gray’s career.

It’s amazing you cannot see the absolute mind boggling irony of asking why he doesn’t have more Brownlow votes after arguing he was overrated.

And this next bit is bizarre?
“Kozzie pickett has averaged 1.7 goals in his last 2 seasons. And also had match winning goals. So 1.3 or 1.4 goals is nothing to me.”

A) pickett is currently a star of the comp, and while he’s averaging those goals he’s getting nowhere near the clearances and disposals gray is getting.

B) 1.3 or 1.4 goals is nothing to you? Lol wtf is that s**t take?

That’s elite from a midfielder / forward.

As I said, only Ablett jr and Martin have replicated his numbers that I can recall.

The two dominant goal scoring midfielder / forwards of the current crop, bont and petracca averaged 1.1 and 0.8 this year and 1.2 as their career best.

Lol and wtf are you on about poor career averages.

19.4d 1.4 goals 3.7 clrs
24.6 1.1 4.0
24.9 1.2 4.3

Two of those are Ablett jr and Dustin Martin, two of the best midfielder forwards to ever play the game and dead certain hall of famers.

So again, how are grays career stats poor?

You made a s**t call, bow out. Every time I disprove your claims with facts you come back stating the same claim, with nothing to support it.

EDIT:

Just checked Brent Harvey’s career stats

21.3D 1.2 goals 2.4

An actual hall of famer and legend of the sport.

dude, you clearly don't even know what overrated means. Some other people have claimed that Clayton Oliver is overrated, arguably the greatest player in the comp right now. Does it bother me? no. Do I agree with it? No. It's not that people are saying he is a spud but just that they think he is overrated. i.e instead of a top 1-3 player in the league, maybe they put him at top 15. It's no big deal. Swearing 4 or 5 times throughout your post doesn't make what you're saying right. My opinion is my opinion. I watched many Robbie Gray games where he did sweet bugger all the entire game only to kick the match winner at the end. He would go missing for long periods in matches. Maybe not in his 2-3 peak seasons but many other seasons that he was a player. Even throughout the season, he would play 1 good game for every 4 poor games.

If he was that impactful, where was his Brownlow votes? 97 votes across 16 seasons of footy (271 games). Wines has already had 120 Brownlow votes in 68 less games of footy. In 2013, Gray played a full season, and didn't poll 1 vote. In his prime.

Now let's look at the coaches vote award. In his 3 best seasons, he won it once (great achievement) and came 9th & 11th in the other 2. Respectable.

Now let's look at his 2013 season, he played 20 games, not 1 coaches votes. not 1! I don't care if he is 1 season removed from injury, he was fit and play a full 20 games. Inexcusable! In 2017, he had 47 coaches votes which puts him at about 40th in the comp. The winner polled 122 votes. In the year 2009 he averaged, 16 touches, 1.5 Goals. Elite numbers as you say. He achieved a measly 12 coaches votes for the year. polling in only 3 games for the entire season and not getting a single vote for the first 18 weeks. What was he doing in the other matches? not a whole lot.

Now I won't even be bothered to add up the totals for the first 7 years of his career because he would've done absolutely nothing in the first 7 years and not much at the tail end too. If you're going to reply, I want you to address the reasons why he performed so poorly for the majority of his career in the coaches votes despite having decent averages and impact as you say.

 

[philthy05]

dude, you clearly don't even know what overrated means. Some other people have claimed that Clayton Oliver is overrated, arguably the greatest player in the comp right now. Does it bother me? no. Do I agree with it? No. It's not that people are saying he is a spud but just that they think he is overrated. i.e instead of a top 1-3 player in the league, maybe they put him at top 15. It's no big deal. Swearing 4 or 5 times throughout your post doesn't make what you're saying right. My opinion is my opinion. I watched many Robbie Gray games where he did sweet bugger all the entire game only to kick the match winner at the end. He would go missing for long periods in matches. Maybe not in his 2-3 peak seasons but many other seasons that he was a player. Even throughout the season, he would play 1 good game for every 4 poor games.

If he was that impactful, where was his Brownlow votes? 97 votes across 16 seasons of footy (271 games). Wines has already had 120 Brownlow votes in 68 less games of footy. In 2013, Gray played a full season, and didn't poll 1 vote. In his prime.

Now let's look at the coaches vote award. In his 3 best seasons, he won it once (great achievement) and came 9th & 11th in the other 2. Respectable.

Now let's look at his 2013 season, he played 20 games, not 1 coaches votes. not 1! I don't care if he is 1 season removed from injury, he was fit and play a full 20 games. Inexcusable! In 2017, he had 47 coaches votes which puts him at about 40th in the comp. The winner polled 122 votes. In the year 2009 he averaged, 16 touches, 1.5 Goals. Elite numbers as you say. He achieved a measly 12 coaches votes for the year. polling in only 3 games for the entire season and not getting a single vote for the first 18 weeks. What was he doing in the other matches? not a whole lot.

Now I won't even be bothered to add up the totals for the first 7 years of his career because he would've done absolutely nothing in the first 7 years and not much at the tail end too. If you're going to reply, I want you to address the reasons why he performed so poorly for the majority of his career in the coaches votes despite having decent averages and impact as you say.

Lol this is utter utter gibberish.

You do nothing to address the errors I pulled you up on, and instead waffle on about I don’t know what for the first half of that post…

.. then you take a pot shot at gray for not being elite in 2013, which is the year he came back from a knee reco, which nearly a decade ago were often career ending injuries. Lol.

The reasons he performed poorly in coaches voted? What the **** are you on about?


3x John Cahill medalist

Dustin Martin has won Richmond’s bnf twice.

You’re literally making shit up about him performing poorly in coaches votes. He won the thing 3x in an era we had boak, one of the most consistent and better mids of the era.


Calling gray overrated was a bad call, and all you’ve offered up as proof since is crap I immediately debunked as untrue and weirdly going on and on about brownlow votes for a player you argue is overrated as if that’s supporting evidence?

 

[danster168]

Lol this is utter utter gibberish.

You do nothing to address the errors I pulled you up on, and instead waffle on about I don’t know what for the first half of that post…

.. then you take a pot shot at gray for not being elite in 2013, which is the year he came back from a knee reco, which nearly a decade ago were often career ending injuries. Lol.

The reasons he performed poorly in coaches voted? What the * are you on about?


3x Jack Cahill medalist

Dustin Martin has won Richmond’s bnf twice.

You’re literally making s**t up about him performing poorly in coaches votes. He won the thing 3x in an era we had boak, one of the most consistent and better mids of the era.


Calling gray overrated was a bad call, and all you’ve offered up as proof since is crap I immediately debunked as untrue and weirdly going on and on about brownlow votes for a player you argue is overrated as if that’s supporting evidence?

he did not win the coaches vote 3 times. what are you talking about...which years?

you're confusing the BnF with the Coaches votes award....

 

[philthy05]

he did not win the coaches vote 3 times. what are you talking about...which years?

He won the John Cahill medal 3x. You know… the award voted on by the coaches.

 

[Yoda_]

Will join the discussion,

Under rated; Zac Merrett, Mason Redman, Peter Wright

Over rated; Sam Draper, Darcy Parish, Tippa

 

[Falcon3518]

Will join the discussion,

Under rated; Zac Merrett, Mason Redman, Peter Wright

Over rated; Sam Draper, Darcy Parish, Tippa

Still spewing Draper’s mullet got goal of the year over Bolton. Overrated.


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[eth-dog]

Still spewing Draper’s mullet got goal of the year over Bolton. Overrated.


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Someone call the waaahmbulance

 

[Yoda_]

Still spewing Draper’s mullet got goal of the year over Bolton. Overrated.


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nuh man, no one has seen a giraffe contest a centre bounce, get a handball receive, give it, get it back, fend off and then kick a boo na na as a 6"7' ruck


that's why he won goal of the year

 

[Mofra]

Bulldogs
Underrated: Libba
Overrated: Bailey Smith

Comp
Underrated: Brodie Mihocek, Dylan Moore, Ben Cunnington
Overrated: Lachie Whitfield, Mabior Chol, Jack Martin

 

[Yoda_]

Just for the sake of it, will do the rest of the comp./

PLEASE NOTE OVER RATING DOES NOT MEAN I AM CALLING THEM A DUD. AM MERELY SUGGESTING THEY AREN'T AS GOOD AS THEY ARE PORTRAYED

Blues - Sam Docherty (over rated) Jacob Weitering (under rated)
Bulldogs - Bailey Smith (over rated) Jackson MaCrae (under rated)
Cats - Tyson Stengle (over rated) Mitch Duncan (under rated)
Crows - Tom Doedee (over rated) Jordan Dawson (under rated)
Demons - James Harmes (over rated) Ed Langdon (under rated)
Dockers - Luke Ryan (Over rated) James Aish (under rated)
Eagles - Luke Shuey (over rated) Jack Redden (under rated)
Giants - Lachie Whitfield (over rated) Isaac Cumming (under rated). Could have gone with any of Whitfield, Kelly, Greene as over rated
Hawks - Jai Newcombe (over rated) Blake Hardwick (under rated)
Kangaroos - Jy Simpkin (over rated) Luke McDonald (under rated)
Lions - Hugh McCluggage (over rated) Brandon Starcevic (under rated)
Magpies - Darcy Moore (over rated) Jack Crisp (under rated)
Power - Connor Rozee (over rated) Dan Houston (under rated)
Saints - Jack Sinclair (over rated) Jack Steele (under rated)
Suns - Jack Lukosius (over rated) Jarrod Witts (under rated)
Swans - Isaac Heeney (over rated) Errol Gulden (under rated)
Tigers - Shai Bolton (over rated) Nick Vlaustin (under rated). Could have gone with any of Rioli, Bolton, Riewoldt as over rated

 

[Aristotle Pickett]

Just for the sake of it, will do the rest of the comp./

PLEASE NOTE OVER RATING DOES NOT MEAN I AM CALLING THEM A DUD. AM MERELY SUGGESTING THEY AREN'T AS GOOD AS THEY ARE PORTRAYED

Blues - Sam Docherty (over rated) Jacob Weitering (under rated)
Bulldogs - Bailey Smith (over rated) Jackson MaCrae (under rated)
Cats - Tyson Stengle (over rated) Mitch Duncan (under rated)
Crows - Tom Doedee (over rated) Jordan Dawson (under rated)
Demons - James Harmes (over rated) Ed Langdon (under rated)
Eagles - Luke Shuey (over rated) Jack Redden (under rated)
Giants - Lachie Whitfield (over rated) Isaac Cumming (under rated). Could have gone with any of Whitfield, Kelly, Greene as over rated
Hawks - Jai Newcombe (over rated) Blake Hardwick (under rated)
Kangaroos - Jy Simpkin (over rated) Luke McDonald (under rated)
Lions - Hugh McCluggage (over rated) Brandon Starcevic (under rated)
Magpies - Darcy Moore (over rated) Jack Crisp (under rated)
Power - Connor Rozee (over rated) Dan Houston (under rated)
Saints - Jack Sinclair (over rated) Jack Steele (under rated)
Suns - Jack Lukosius (over rated) Jarrod Witts (under rated)
Swans - Isaac Heeney (over rated) Errol Gulden (under rated)
Tigers - Shai Bolton (over rated) Nick Vlaustin (under rated). Could have gone with any of Rioli, Bolton, Riewoldt as over rated

I agree with a lot of that besides the Richmond bit.

 

[Piggy Smalls]

Just for the sake of it, will do the rest of the comp./

PLEASE NOTE OVER RATING DOES NOT MEAN I AM CALLING THEM A DUD. AM MERELY SUGGESTING THEY AREN'T AS GOOD AS THEY ARE PORTRAYED

Blues - Sam Docherty (over rated) Jacob Weitering (under rated)
Bulldogs - Bailey Smith (over rated) Jackson MaCrae (under rated)
Cats - Tyson Stengle (over rated) Mitch Duncan (under rated)
Crows - Tom Doedee (over rated) Jordan Dawson (under rated)
Demons - James Harmes (over rated) Ed Langdon (under rated)
Eagles - Luke Shuey (over rated) Jack Redden (under rated)
Giants - Lachie Whitfield (over rated) Isaac Cumming (under rated). Could have gone with any of Whitfield, Kelly, Greene as over rated
Hawks - Jai Newcombe (over rated) Blake Hardwick (under rated)
Kangaroos - Jy Simpkin (over rated) Luke McDonald (under rated)
Lions - Hugh McCluggage (over rated) Brandon Starcevic (under rated)
Magpies - Darcy Moore (over rated) Jack Crisp (under rated)
Power - Connor Rozee (over rated) Dan Houston (under rated)
Saints - Jack Sinclair (over rated) Jack Steele (under rated)
Suns - Jack Lukosius (over rated) Jarrod Witts (under rated)
Swans - Isaac Heeney (over rated) Errol Gulden (under rated)
Tigers - Shai Bolton (over rated) Nick Vlaustin (under rated). Could have gone with any of Rioli, Bolton, Riewoldt as over rated

No Freo players?

 

[Yoda_]

No Freo players?

whoops

Luke Ryan (Over rated) James Aish (under rated)

 

[Do the Dew]

nuh man, no one has seen a giraffe contest a centre bounce, get a handball receive, give it, get it back, fend off and then kick a boo na na as a 6"7' ruck


that's why he won goal of the year

Tell me you like Brian Taylor without telling me you like Brian Taylor.

 

[Sttew]

He only averages 2.1 goals a game.

How many goal assists? You clearly have not seen how influential he is on a consistent basis. Kicked more goals than anyone in 2022 and No.2(I think) for goal assists

 

[Sttew]

Jack Riewoldt is clearly superior to Hawkins in my opinion.
Riewoldt is highly skilled with the loose ball and can get off the ground and take big marks, usually against multiple opposition players.
And he can hand off goals and kick big bags of goals, he's not a 2 dimensional player like Hawkins.
I can't fathom how Hawkins got the All Australian captaincy. It has de-valued that honor imo.

Did Buddy deserve it? It is a ceremonial title ffs

 

[Do the Dew]

I agree with a lot of that besides the Richmond bit.

Bolton overrated lmao. Guy is the best averaging clearance player in the game and kicked 43 goals (and 41 behinds). Only 24 years old so still a few years away from his best. Sky = limit.

Don't think Richmond has any overrated players because every oppo supporter seems to think it's the worst triple premiership list of all time or some such nonsense.

 

[Do the Dew]

Jack Riewoldt is clearly superior to Hawkins in my opinion.
Riewoldt is highly skilled with the loose ball and can get off the ground and take big marks, usually against multiple opposition players.
And he can hand off goals and kick big bags of goals, he's not a 2 dimensional player like Hawkins.
I can't fathom how Hawkins got the All Australian captaincy. It has de-valued that honor imo.

Hawkins is better at Jack at injuring opposition players though. Loves shoving defenders and others in the back into packs, also enjoys the sneaky punch to the face behind the play (hi Will Schofield).

 

[Aristotle Pickett]

Hawkins is better at Jack at injuring opposition players though. Loves shoving defenders and others in the back into packs, also enjoys the sneaky punch to the face behind the play (hi Will Schofield).

True, he is a dirty player but that gets overlooked. He targets small blokes usually.

 

[Aristotle Pickett]

Did Buddy deserve it? It is a ceremonial title ffs

I'm ok with Rance and Buddy getting it .

 

[MisterMarcus]

I love how Old Mate couldn't even keep up the pretense that this was a serious thread for more than a few posts, before reverting to his fixation on Geelong players again.....

 

[Aristotle Pickett]

I love how Old Mate couldn't even keep up the pretense that this was a serious thread for more than a few posts, before reverting to his fixation on Geelong players again.....

He has been charged with striking at least 7 times as far as I know.

It's time for Tom Hawkins to control his temper

Tom Hawkins may have escaped suspension for striking Fremantle defender Luke Ryan, but his latest brain fade shows he's learnt nothing from his mistakes.

geelongcatsblog.com

 

[Fadge]

I agree with a lot of that besides the Richmond bit.

Yeah, I reckon he could have found a few more overrated players from Richmond.

 

[Sttew]

I'm ok with Rance and Buddy getting it .

That’s where your argument lacks credibility. Just admit it