Opinion Most Underated & Overated player from each team.

[eth-dog]

2014 when he won the afl coaches association award for a 24.9d 1.7goal 5.8 clearance season that, off the top of my head only Dustin Martin and Ablett jr, two future hall of famers, have since come close to / matched.

The year they shockingly gave it to Priddis, which was widely mocked.

Priddis was a worthy winner. Gray was very good too though

 

[PrinceCharles]

2014 when he won the afl coaches association award for a 24.9d 1.7goal 5.8 clearance season that, off the top of my head only Dustin Martin and Ablett jr, two future hall of famers, have since come close to / matched.

The year they shockingly gave it to Priddis, which was widely mocked.

Definitely in the top three players in the game that year, partly agree with the other poster though that his peak was short lived, mainly due to his body though I imagine.

 

[philthy05]

can't provide? or didn't provide?

Overrated doesn't mean I think they weren't a good player. Robbie Gray was a good player but I always felt that they could never make up his mind. He was a forward, then a midfielder, then a forward again. His top form window was also very narrow. Yes, I know he had a knee reco but he basically did nothing until he was 24 or 25. A little bit like Petracca who was wasting away doing half forward craft the first 5 years in his career.

For me Robbie Gray went missing too much within games. And I don't agree with the brownlow claim. Nonetheless, brownlows don't mean anything anyway. I mean Wines won it last year and wasn't even a top 50 player this year.

But if you do believe in the brownlow as an indicator, below shows you his tallies, which supports everything that I've said.
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1. “Robbie was a good player”

That’s just such a bad take. All time ****ing bad take

2. What does the fact he played both forwards and midfield got to do with it? Who couldnt make up their mind?

How is the fact he was elite in 2 areas of the field a negative?

3. Top form was narrow?

Gtfo. He averaged over 1.3 goals 10x in his career.

He made 4 all aus teams.

He was a match winner for port across all his career

4. “Did nothing until he was 24/25”

Again, are you trolling really badly or just incapable of doing the least bit of research

At the age of 24 gray had 5 seasons of averaging 1.4+ goals a game, had already won countless games off his own boot for port and led us for goalkicking.

5. Missing within games? Lol. He’s literally known for the opposite. Are you basing your entire opinion of his career based of the last couple of season post 30 years old where his body was held together with duct tape?

6. What do you disagree about the Brownlow claim?

You don’t believe 24.9d 1.7 goals 5.8 clearances is enough to win a brownlow?

You think priddus deserved to win that more than gray?

7. Wtf do you think those Brownlow tallies represents?

Do you think it supports your argument he was overrated?



I’m not sure someone could have made a worse more off the mark post if they tried. Literally everything you say has no basis. As I said earlier, it’s like you’ve only seen grays last few years post 30 (if at all) and have decided to base all your info off that

 

[Lingsface]

Priddis was a worthy winner. Gray was very good too though

Priddis did come 2nd the year before or after as well I think.

 

[Dazb86]

Under rated

Mitch Duncan
Jack Viney
Jason Castagna
Dane Rampe
Cam Guthrie
Jordan Ridley
Hayden Young
Tom Lynch

Over rated

Oliver
Rankine
Mcluggage

Jeez that's a very rough over rated list. Would like to hear your thoughts on why Oliver and Mcluggage are over rated.

 

[Dazb86]

I feel like Tim English is somehow both over rated and under rated depending on who you ask

 

[PhatBoy]

1200? Jack Riewoldt has kicked more goals than him and Jack hasn't played as a genuine full forward for years.
You can't be serious.

And Hawkins didn’t for years either.

And he gives a shit tonne away.

Their goal kicking figures are remarkably similar. It’s not like a case of ‘oh look at Jack Riewoldt who kicks an extra goal a game AND he hasn’t played as a true full forward for a while, Hawkins has played there his whole career.’

Their goal kicking numbers are similar, Hawkins has been labelled by a number of pundits (professional ones) as being among the most unselfish forwards in history, and he didn’t start playing as a permanent full forward until 2013.

Prior to that he played behind Mooney as the number one forward, played as a ruck forward and CHF, then James Podsiadly came along and assumed the full forward spot.

If you’re going to argue, at least look at both sides of the argument to make sure your point isn’t completely nullified by facts about the other player.

 

[PhatBoy]

This is an easy one, overrated is Tom Stewart. If hes not guarding a hectre of grass, he's playing on one of the oppositions weakest forwards.

Same height as May and Sicily but can't play key position. Can't lockdown a forward either. After almost putting Prestia in a wheelchair, Geelong were completely fine without him for that month.

He plays his role well, but has a meltdown and gives away 10 frees when he gets attention. If Sicily was given Stewarts role, he'd average 45 disposals and 20 intercepts blindfolded.

Hes arguably aside from Mitch Duncan the best ball user in the current premiership team. Why the hell wouldn’t you want him getting it in his hands as much as physically possible

 

[Jcpdragonx]

Hes arguably aside from Mitch Duncan the best ball user in the current premiership team. Why the hell wouldn’t you want him getting it in his hands as much as physically possible

He plays his role well, no doubt. But he's one of the names thrown around when the best defender in the comp conversation comes up, when he doesnt have near the skillset Sicily does. He has the easiest role in the AFL.

 

[Aristotle Pickett]

And Hawkins didn’t for years either.

And he gives a s**t tonne away.

Their goal kicking figures are remarkably similar. It’s not like a case of ‘oh look at Jack Riewoldt who kicks an extra goal a game AND he hasn’t played as a true full forward for a while, Hawkins has played there his whole career.’

Their goal kicking numbers are similar, Hawkins has been labelled by a number of pundits (professional ones) as being among the most unselfish forwards in history, and he didn’t start playing as a permanent full forward until 2013.

Prior to that he played behind Mooney as the number one forward, played as a ruck forward and CHF, then James Podsiadly came along and assumed the full forward spot.

If you’re going to argue, at least look at both sides of the argument to make sure your point isn’t completely nullified by facts about the other player.

Jack Riewoldt is clearly superior to Hawkins in my opinion.
Riewoldt is highly skilled with the loose ball and can get off the ground and take big marks, usually against multiple opposition players.
And he can hand off goals and kick big bags of goals, he's not a 2 dimensional player like Hawkins.
I can't fathom how Hawkins got the All Australian captaincy. It has de-valued that honor imo.

 

[PhatBoy]

He plays his role well, no doubt. But he's one of the names thrown around when the best defender in the comp conversation comes up, when he doesnt have near the skillset Sicily does. He has the easiest role in the AFL.

He would if all he had to do was mark the thing.

But he doesn’t. He drives our attack like Scarlett used to and for a good comparison of why he’s valuable, watch Jake Kolodjashnij.
Improved player yes and very good one on one, rarely out marked. Drives no attack and gives up at least a goal a game from a poor decision and executed disposal.

 

[PhatBoy]

Jack Riewoldt is clearly superior to Hawkins in my opinion.
Riewoldt is highly skilled with the loose ball and can get off the ground and take big marks, usually against multiple opposition players.
And he can hand off goals and kick big bags of goals, he's not a 2 dimensional player like Hawkins.
I can't fathom how Hawkins got the All Australian captaincy. It has de-valued that honor imo.

Lol.

I actually laughed reading this.

What’s really funny is that aside from the ‘open to interpretation stats’ that suggest your comments are wide of the mark like, say ‘Hawkins has more handballs per game so wouldn’t that suggest he gets and disposes of more ball in broken play and in traffic’, he literally averages more GROUND BALL POSSESSIONS over the course of their careers and for half of it he had a serious back injury

 

[STPer18]

Jack Riewoldt is clearly superior to Hawkins in my opinion.
Riewoldt is highly skilled with the loose ball and can get off the ground and take big marks, usually against multiple opposition players.
And he can hand off goals and kick big bags of goals, he's not a 2 dimensional player like Hawkins.
I can't fathom how Hawkins got the All Australian captaincy. It has de-valued that honor imo.

The 11-timer, the 5-timer, the 3-timer.

 

[The hands of stone]

Probably fair and more accurate to just do my team

Overrated - Tom Mitchell
Underrated - Jaeger Omera

 

[TheUnicorn]

Jack Riewoldt is clearly superior to Hawkins in my opinion.
Riewoldt is highly skilled with the loose ball and can get off the ground and take big marks, usually against multiple opposition players.
And he can hand off goals and kick big bags of goals, he's not a 2 dimensional player like Hawkins.
I can't fathom how Hawkins got the All Australian captaincy. It has de-valued that honor imo.

Woah, a Richmond supporter overrating one of their own players, no way!

 

[Gavin Excell]

Jack Riewoldt is clearly superior to Hawkins in my opinion.
Riewoldt is highly skilled with the loose ball and can get off the ground and take big marks, usually against multiple opposition players.
And he can hand off goals and kick big bags of goals, he's not a 2 dimensional player like Hawkins.
I can't fathom how Hawkins got the All Australian captaincy. It has de-valued that honor imo.

He's been a wonderful player for Geelong
Set the scene early this year's GF with forward ruck work that Reiwoldt simply is incapable of

 

[My_Username]

Woah, a Richmond supporter overrating one of their own players, no way!

It's almost like supporters of all teams do that.

 

[danster168]

1. “Robbie was a good player”

That’s just such a bad take. All time ******* bad take

2. What does the fact he played both forwards and midfield got to do with it? Who couldnt make up their mind?

How is the fact he was elite in 2 areas of the field a negative?

3. Top form was narrow?

Gtfo. He averaged over 1.3 goals 10x in his career.

He made 4 all aus teams.

He was a match winner for port across all his career

4. “Did nothing until he was 24/25”

Again, are you trolling really badly or just incapable of doing the least bit of research

At the age of 24 gray had 5 seasons of averaging 1.4+ goals a game, had already won countless games off his own boot for port and led us for goalkicking.

5. Missing within games? Lol. He’s literally known for the opposite. Are you basing your entire opinion of his career based of the last couple of season post 30 years old where his body was held together with duct tape?

6. What do you disagree about the Brownlow claim?

You don’t believe 24.9d 1.7 goals 5.8 clearances is enough to win a brownlow?

You think priddus deserved to win that more than gray?

7. Wtf do you think those Brownlow tallies represents?

Do you think it supports your argument he was overrated?



I’m not sure someone could have made a worse more off the mark post if they tried. Literally everything you say has no basis. As I said earlier, it’s like you’ve only seen grays last few years post 30 (if at all) and have decided to base all your info off that

1. Nah he was a good player. Don't get upset when I don't provide reasons and then complain when I do provide reasons.
2. It's not really a complaint but why was he shopped around positions. Why did it take him so long to hit the midfield? his tank?
4. He had 15 Brownlow votes in his first 7 seasons. if he was so impactful, where are his brownlow votes? Kozzie pickett has averaged 1.7 goals in his last 2 seasons. And also had match winning goals. So 1.3 or 1.4 goals is nothing to me.
6/7: don't comment on his best season without mentioning his pretty average career counts. If he was so impactful where was this reflected in the brownlow?

He was a good player. not a great player. A poor man's rozee. Butters will wind up better too.

 

[Lingsface]

Jeez that's a very rough over rated list. Would like to hear your thoughts on why Oliver and Mcluggage are over rated.

They are very good players but I think over rated. Oliver just doesn’t have the polish or damage to opposition with his high amount of possesions in my opinion.
A top 15 player but not a top 2-3 like other rate him. As I’ve said before his contest work is good and he’s got some mongrel and size I’d love him on my team and he would probably be our best midfielder but I don’t see him at that same level as others.

Mcluggage is inconsistent and a little soft a good player a very good player but people’s expectations are that he will be one of the best and I just don’t see it happening.

 

[philthy05]

1. Nah he was a good player. Don't get upset when I don't provide reasons and then complain when I do provide reasons.
2. It's not really a complaint but why was he shopped around positions. Why did it take him so long to hit the midfield? his tank?
4. He had 15 Brownlow votes in his first 7 seasons. if he was so impactful, where are his brownlow votes? Kozzie pickett has averaged 1.7 goals in his last 2 seasons. And also had match winning goals. So 1.3 or 1.4 goals is nothing to me.
6/7: don't comment on his best season without mentioning his pretty average career counts. If he was so impactful where was this reflected in the brownlow?

He was a good player. not a great player. A poor man's rozee. Butters will wind up better too.

Good player? He was a great player.

I’m not getting upset, I’ve ridiculed your statement. People disagreeing with your shit opinions on an internet forum isn’t them getting upset, I’ve seen you pull this claim before if I remember correctly as if it’s some get out of jail free card to defend your shit takes.

You provided reasons after I said you had no basis for your over rated claim, and I told you why those supposed reasons were horseshit (proved they were factually incorrect)

He was never “shopped” around positions. He was elite in the forward line and midfield.

This is clearly the statement of someone who is not at all familiar with Robbie gray’s career.

It’s amazing you cannot see the absolute mind boggling irony of asking why he doesn’t have more Brownlow votes after arguing he was overrated.

And this next bit is bizarre?
“Kozzie pickett has averaged 1.7 goals in his last 2 seasons. And also had match winning goals. So 1.3 or 1.4 goals is nothing to me.”

A) pickett is currently a star of the comp, and while he’s averaging those goals he’s getting nowhere near the clearances and disposals gray is getting.

B) 1.3 or 1.4 goals is nothing to you? Lol wtf is that shit take?

That’s elite from a midfielder / forward.

As I said, only Ablett jr and Martin have replicated his numbers that I can recall.

The two dominant goal scoring midfielder / forwards of the current crop, bont and petracca averaged 1.1 and 0.8 this year and 1.2 as their career best.

Lol and wtf are you on about poor career averages.

19.4d 1.4 goals 3.7 clrs
24.6 1.1 4.0
24.9 1.2 4.3

Two of those are Ablett jr and Dustin Martin, two of the best midfielder forwards to ever play the game and dead certain hall of famers.

So again, how are grays career stats poor?

You made a shit call, bow out. Every time I disprove your claims with facts you come back stating the same claim, with nothing to support it.

EDIT:

Just checked Brent Harvey’s career stats

21.3D 1.2 goals 2.4

An actual hall of famer and legend of the sport.

 

[Dazb86]

They are very good players but I think over rated. Oliver just doesn’t have the polish or damage to opposition with his high amount of possesions in my opinion.
A top 15 player but not a top 2-3 like other rate him. As I’ve said before his contest work is good and he’s got some mongrel and size I’d love him on my team and he would probably be our best midfielder but I don’t see him at that same level as others.

Mcluggage is inconsistent and a little soft a good player a very good player but people’s expectations are that he will be one of the best and I just don’t see it happening.

That's fair enough. I feel like Oliver suffers from opinions formed about him when he had first started his career. He's got a fairly good metres gained rate nowadays.

 

[Young Redleg]

That's fair enough. I feel like Oliver suffers from opinions formed about him when he had first started his career. He's got a fairly good metres gained rate nowadays.

Agree. And his disposal has improved out of sight over the past couple of years. I grimace when people say that he gets a lot of possessions but has little impact. That opinion may have been true in 2019 but it's certainly not true now.

 

[Aristotle Pickett]

Tom Stewart plays loose a lot, I don't know why oppo clubs let him do that. I rate Zac Tuohy higher.

 

[PhatBoy]

Tom Stewart plays loose a lot, I don't know why oppo clubs let him do that. I rate Zac Tuohy higher.

Zach is an in and under player and very sorely overlooked and he too, of our back half players, has sensational disposal - but not as good as Stewart and not as precise with his decision making.

Tuohy has above average footy IQ and takes the best option more than 75 per cent of players in the comp. I’d say Stewart is in the top 5 per cent of ‘option takers’ though

 

[tonygeeks]

Tom Stewart plays loose a lot, I don't know why oppo clubs let him do that. I rate Zac Tuohy higher.

Lol , Zac Tuohy the renowned lockdown defender ?

Better player than Tom Stewart ? hahaha you’re either off your head or trying to pick a fight

Why would you want one of the best readers of the game ever playing any other role than attacking defender ?