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[Winky]

You are probably correct but it would be verging on incompetent if the board had not included KPIs as part of any contract renewal and I have my doubts as to whether any reasonable KPIs could have been met over the last 3 years

Isn't he contracted for next year? I must admit he looks a bit tired and stressed so maybe he feels it's time to do something new? Since moving from Perth I've lost contact to some degree so have to get info on the Perth teams from wherever I can.

 

[Rion]

I didn't buy his 2020 vision at the start so I am not going to hang him on it. It is really difficult to execute a rebuild that fast because you simply don't have enough time to get enough games into the kids. I am 100% sure that was marketing talk and not Ross' belief.

If we have a reasonable run with injuries I expect us to be a 1-3 win better (depending on the draw) side than this year. That might scrape us into the 8 or perhaps not assuming we get to around 9 wins this year. Do agree that we need to move on AT LEAST DP and Johnno this year (preferably Ballas too). Need to be more competitive on the road even though I don't expect a lot of wins.

In 2020 we need to play finals and convincingly so.

I worry that losing Sandi/Mundy and even the other 3 whether it be this year or next is going to cause a bit of a hitch in our development (a bit similiar to the Saints this year with Roo/Montagna gone). We looked pretty bad without Sandi out there against North. I'd have made it a priority to move them out this year but not sure that's the plan currently.

I think the 2020 stuff is pretty important honestly because it puts a bit of pressure on the timing whereas otherwise Ross could feasibly just hang around the bottom endlessly rebuilding (keeping the excuse of youth) with no end point in sight.

 

[Freezin]

Scott Burns
Blake Caracella
Leigh Tudor
Simon Lloyd
Jayme Graham

How about Schofield from Subi?....a lot of talk Subi are the most professionally run semi pro club outside the AFL.....

 

[blue shark]

I worry that losing Sandi/Mundy and even the other 3 whether it be this year or next is going to cause a bit of a hitch in our development (a bit similiar to the Saints this year with Roo/Montagna gone). We looked pretty bad without Sandi out there against North. I'd have made it a priority to move them out this year but not sure that's the plan currently.

I think the 2020 stuff is pretty important honestly because it puts a bit of pressure on the timing whereas otherwise Ross could feasibly just hang around the bottom endlessly rebuilding (keeping the excuse of youth) with no end point in sight.

We all thought the eagles were stuffed when they lost Priddis, Mitchell, Butler, Wellingham, Hill.
NN couldn't get on the track.
I have no doubt Darcy will be a perfect replacement for Sandi, and cross fingers we get to see them
together this year.

 

[dominguez]

Long live Ross The Boss.

 

[dominguez]

Agreed, but under Lyons reign we have bottomed out when we shouldn’t have.
I’m not for sacking him - but I’m not backing him to the hilt like others are.
I would undertake an independent review like they did at Collingwood.

Does it really matter? With the draft system you're better off bottoming out and winning 5 games than winning 10 games.

Bottoming out makes it easier to push out Barlow, Silvagni, de Boer, Clancee, etc.

If we lose the next 2 and we're 4-8 I'm fine with putting the cue in the rack and just playing the kids. Get midfield minutes into Cerra, Brayshaw and Crowden, expose Duman to quality opponents, etc.

 

[nurries]

I worry that losing Sandi/Mundy and even the other 3 whether it be this year or next is going to cause a bit of a hitch in our development (a bit similiar to the Saints this year with Roo/Montagna gone). We looked pretty bad without Sandi out there against North. I'd have made it a priority to move them out this year but not sure that's the plan currently.

I think the 2020 stuff is pretty important honestly because it puts a bit of pressure on the timing whereas otherwise Ross could feasibly just hang around the bottom endlessly rebuilding (keeping the excuse of youth) with no end point in sight.

We looked lost without Sandy as we were using a 19yo KPF in the ruck with bugger all experience against a 200 game past AA ruckman. Darcy is a competitive beast and won’t be a pushover

 

[G Mus]

How about Schofield from Subi?....a lot of talk Subi are the most professionally run semi pro club outside the AFL.....

Freo hating Schofield?

 

[raffrox]

At the start of the season, Freo were even money to win 9 or more games.
If somebody said to me after 10 rounds, Freo would have lost 6 games against the 1st, 2nd, 4th, 5th, 9th & 11th placed teams on the ladder (and the 9th and 11th placed teams were away games to Port and GWS) and won 4 games against the 12th, 14th, 15th & 16th teams ... I would have thought that was about right in line with my expectations.

I try hard to understand alternative views. So when I see a thread about replacing Lyon, I wonder why Freo fans would want this. After reading the entire thread, the best summary I can come up with is some fans blame RTB for Freo's poor scoring. They think it is RTB's game plan and coaching that is the problem. It appears they think his coaching has been the problem since Freo stopped being successful in 2012-2015 (something which my logic struggles with).

One area of clear criticism is the opinion that Freo bomb the ball in to the Forwards with no game plan.
So given I didn't know if that was true or not, I watched the game from Sunday and took note of every Freo inside50. But, I didn't see Freo bombing the ball inside50, especially not in the first half when the conditions were ok. In the second half with wet conditions there was a little more of it. Norths in general bombed the ball inside their 50 far more often than Freo did. I did see both Ballantynes and McCarthy often lose the contest when the ball was kicked to them in a one on one. Cox dropped a few marks that he got hands to and several other passes to leads either missed the intended target or again the mark was spilt.

I strongly believe, from what I have seen, that because Freo has a lack lustre Forward line-up, people are unfairly pointing blame where it is not warranted. Earlier in the season, with Taberner playing well and providing a target up forward, McCarthy was also playing well. Once Taberner went out injured, McCarthy has struggled. I like Cox as a forward, but he is currently not an experienced quality KPF, yet still possibly our best option at this moment in time.

If you want RTB replaced, then please try to have a better look at why you want him replaced and maybe show why the replacement will do things better. I struggle to see how any new coach will have a dramatic change on Freo's lack of quality forwards in our next team line up.

He has no vision other than his own.

I heard an awesome story about how Alastair Clarkson spent his own cash in 2007 to meet witblh Gerald Neesham twice to pick his brain. From there he adapted his strategy and the rest as they say is history. A good coach can adapt and grow. Ross has convinced me he can't or more likely just doesn't want to.

How many times has Ross gone to MJ and Pearce in this 'rebuild', got slammed for it, we get flogged and then he comes out with, "OK, OK we'll play the youth now" ?

This has happened at least four times in a season and a half.

What kind of crap is that? Simple. He has his way and regardless of the external noise he'll continue to do that until we are effectively ridiculed as a team.

He has to demonstrate a full commitment to building this team right with no shortcuts or he can piss off.

 

[raffrox]

Does it really matter? With the draft system you're better off bottoming out and winning 5 games than winning 10 games.

Bottoming out makes it easier to push out Barlow, Silvagni, de Boer, Clancee, etc.

If we lose the next 2 and we're 4-8 I'm fine with putting the cue in the rack and just playing the kids. Get midfield minutes into Cerra, Brayshaw and Crowden, expose Duman to quality opponents, etc.

So if we win the next two we should roll out the old blokes then?

 

[salim malik]

So if we win the next two we should roll out the old blokes then?

What about the 5 rookies and under 50 gamers that are in the side. Why do you keep rabbiting on about Mundy,Sandy. They deserve their spots and Pearce and Johnno have been in and out depending on the experience we need. How many rookies do you want in the side? Its irrational to keep pushing the old bloke line when the side is full of youngsters. There is so much shit being peddled at the minute.

 

[Freezin]

Freo hating Schofield?

Pretty sure Lyon didn't think much of Freo when he was coaching St Kilda.....until they offered him a decent salary package....Pretty sure Schofield would be the same....quite surprised dual premiership coach Cam Shepherd hasn't been mentioned yet....

 

[ydraw]

I've seen the umpires blamed, the weather blamed, the assistants blamed, but never Ross right, I mean he can't possibly be doing a poor job? The excuses to protect him on here are amazing.

If you blame Ross you get banned, so no surprise you don't see a lot of it.

 

[raffrox]

What about the 5 rookies and under 50 gamers that are in the side. Why do you keep rabbiting on about Mundy,Sandy. They deserve their spots and Pearce and Johnno have been in and out depending on the experience we need. How many rookies do you want in the side? Its irrational to keep pushing the old bloke line when the side is full of youngsters. There is so much shit being peddled at the minute.

Rabbiting about Mundy and Sandi? Nope not me. Speaking of peddling shit.

My point is that if Ross keeps making the same mistakes with our rebuild and is making calls that Big Footy can see are mistakes then he needs to pull his head in.

Easiest way for a leader to lose people is to demostrate a lack of direction and that is what Ross is doing right now.

 

[ydraw]

there is no way we will be getting a new senior coach - the club does not have the funds to payout our current coach for 2 full years - doing so would cripple any incoming coach and his team due to the new soft cap on coaching dept budgets.

Just hope they can start winning at home regularly to stop all this Lyon bashing.

The Re-build was a tough decision mid-way thru 2016, by all at the club and they ALL seem invested in seeing it through, which was why they signed up Ross till end of 2020. We will get more wins this year than last and if we can keep getting improvement in the young players and they are all fit and available we will become exciting to watch next year and for years following on from that. People forget how bad we were pre-2012 when Ross took over (in 17 years we had 1 prelim to hang our hat on). from 2012-2015 we experienced what other supporters did - respect - as people grudgingly said we had a good team and most weeks we were going to win.

Sandi, Jonno, D. Pearc, Balla's are not going to be part of any future success but they are giving back their bit to ensure the current crop of young players get there. You've seen Carlton and Brisbane field young teams and get slaughtered week in week out demoralizing those young players. You need to have a blend of experience and youth to be successful. Unfortunately Lyon hasn't got that premiership feather in his cap - paul roos only won one (from his 2 GF appearances) and he seems to be able to do no wrong now. Lyon has been to 4 GF's as senior coach and 2 of those his side was very much in the hunt to win them till late in the last qrt (unlike some recent blowouts) i'd much rather his experience at the helm when things turn as he has shown that he can coach teams to success.

Ross has done exceptionally well with the list he has to get us playing competitively - defensive footy. His brand is the one that stands up in finals on the road (I remember vividly the finals we won on the road that no one gave us any chance, like the one at Geelong in 2013), and that is what is building with the young group we've got. Hang on guys and girls cause when it turns it will be a fun ride again for a while!

Counterpoint: Ross Lyon hasn't been competitive for over 3 years, his coaching style was made obsolete by rule changes, and even when we grind out a win it's horrible to watch.

 

[ydraw]

a) It shows he is committed enough to make a bold claim and also takes a lot of heat off the players in that period (works too, he cops ALL of the heat)

If anyone else made a claim like this, you'd call them a loudmouth idiot. But Ross Lyon is a courageous warrior for ludicrously claiming to be able to go from 16th to premiership in 2 seasons.

The cult of Ross continues.

 

[ydraw]

Does it really matter? With the draft system you're better off bottoming out and winning 5 games than winning 10 games.

No you aren't.

Name a single club that's ever worked for apart from Hawthorn.

The clubs that bottom out and get top draft picks have generally continued to be shit year after year after year.

 

[ydraw]

What about the 5 rookies and under 50 gamers that are in the side. Why do you keep rabbiting on about Mundy,Sandy. They deserve their spots and Pearce and Johnno have been in and out depending on the experience we need. How many rookies do you want in the side? Its irrational to keep pushing the old bloke line when the side is full of youngsters. There is so much shit being peddled at the minute.

Ironic for the bloke who watched Taberner kick 5 goals a game at Peel last year and still maintained he should be delisted because that was the only thing that made Lyon's decision not to play him make sense is now calling other people full of shit.

 

[salim malik]

Rabbiting about Mundy and Sandi? Nope not me. Speaking of peddling shit.

My point is that if Ross keeps making the same mistakes with our rebuild and is making calls that Big Footy can see are mistakes then he needs to pull his head in.

Easiest way for a leader to lose people is to demostrate a lack of direction and that is what Ross is doing right now.

Arent Mundy and Sandy part of your old blokes group. Define the mistakes and who shouldn't play and who should now be in the side that aren't injured or under done.. Who in the rookies that have been drafted since the rebuild was mentioned shouldn't be here. Who hasn't been played that should have had a game. Name the mistakes with the rebuild.
Easy to make sweeping statements when you don't need to give answers.

 

[Hazelsnuts]

What about the 5 rookies and under 50 gamers that are in the side. Why do you keep rabbiting on about Mundy,Sandy. They deserve their spots and Pearce and Johnno have been in and out depending on the experience we need. How many rookies do you want in the side? Its irrational to keep pushing the old bloke line when the side is full of youngsters. There is so much shit being peddled at the minute.

You’re a grumpy old bastard Salim.
Not so much shit being peddled - just differences in opinion.....

 

[salim malik]

Ironic for the bloke who watched Taberner kick 5 goals a game at Peel last year and still maintained he should be delisted because that was the only thing that made Lyon's decision not to play him make sense is now calling other people full of shit.

Geez you make up shit, find any where I said Tabs should be delisted. You should change your name to ytellthetruth.

 

[salim malik]

You’re a grumpy old bastard Salim.
Not so much shit being peddled - just differences in opinion.....

Nah its peddled shit about the lack of youth getting a game and playing the old blokes.

 

[salim malik]

With Sandy and Hill out and Apeness and Giro in what will be the average age?
Should be young enough for the get rid of the oldie brigade.

 

[raffrox]

Arent Mundy and Sandy part of your old blokes group. Define the mistakes and who shouldn't play and who should now be in the side that aren't injured or under done.. Who in the rookies that have been drafted since the rebuild was mentioned shouldn't be here. Who hasn't been played that should have had a game. Name the mistakes with the rebuild.
Easy to make sweeping statements when you don't need to give answers.

For starters, Pearce over Giro last week was un-for-give-able.

Achieved less than nothing.

Took me 0.2 seconds to come up with as well.

 

[raffrox]

With Sandy and Hill out and Apeness and Giro in what will be the average age?
Should be young enough for the get rid of the oldie brigade.

If Darcy was healthy I would be all for Sandi playing less games for sure. Hill isn't over the hill crap try again.

Mundy is clearly one of our best forwards right now, which is a different conversation altogether.

It's not about having the youngest team, its about having an actual plan. I just don't think there is one outside of what Ross has been doing for the last 10+ years.

I can't believe I'm saying this but Melbourne actually embraced doing a rebuild properly and they have a young exciting team. Hell, you just need to look at the 76ers in the NBA to see that 'the process' can work. What is Ross' process?