NFNL div 3 2025

[Eyes_and_Ears]

Other clubs poach players and shouldn’t be essentially rewarded for that by removing the home grown players points advantage

The player has a choice, they arent forced. Move and become more points at both clubs in the future or stay where you are and be a 1 point.

 

[NorthernBastard]

They may not have a points issue but they will have a serious salary cap issue.

 

[Eyes_and_Ears]

They may not have a points issue but they will have a serious salary cap issue.

Who doesn't

 

[10571z]

Who doesn't

I’d be surprised if many D3 sides are spending over 80k.

 

[Champ or Chump]

Not blaming Ivanhoe. Saying rule needs adjusting for players who have played years or 100s of games at other clubs at senior level. They are no longer kids or juniors and havent been for years, dont see why it should be rewarded.

So the rich or bigger teams just keep getting bigger as they poach from clubs in lower divisions or in our case playing ammo footy whilst NFNL teams absolutely smashed us. Give me a spell.

Get your own / invest in your own junior program and you get some reward IF they come back - many will not.

 

[Champ or Chump]

Nail. On. The. Head.

or we could ask to play with 50

 

[Bojack Horseman IV]

Not blaming Ivanhoe. Saying rule needs adjusting for players who have played years or 100s of games at other clubs at senior level. They are no longer kids or juniors and havent been for years, dont see why it should be rewarded.

Take Ivanhoe out of the equation...

Curious as to what would be the change you would make? Up the junior games played.. i think its 50 to be classified as one pointers.

Play VFL and lose eligibility?
Play at a Division 1 club elsewhere for a number of years and be ineligible

I can understand though play 50 games from tackers to under 11s and be regarded as a one pointer, seems stupid but I mean the rule is there and clubs have taken advantage.

You want as strong of a leauge/division as possible.

Point and case Ivanhoe in this instance.

 

[Eyes_and_Ears]

So the rich or bigger teams just keep getting bigger as they poach from clubs in lower divisions or in our case playing ammo footy whilst NFNL teams absolutely smashed us. Give me a spell.

Get your own / invest in your own junior program and you get some reward IF they come back - many will not.

By rich club do you mean Ivanhoe? Other Vafa clubs found a way, maybe you just needed to build a private school next to your oval.

Its swings and roundabouts most clubs get their momemt in the sun. If a 17 year old who has played 52 games at Ivanhoe plays the next 10 years and 150 games at Banyule, i would consider them a Banyule player not an Ivanhoe player as most people would. Enjoy your moment but the rule needs adjusting.

 

[Champ or Chump]

Take Ivanhoe out of the equation...

Curious as to what would be the change you would make? Up the junior games played.. i think its 50 to be classified as one pointers.

Play VFL and lose eligibility?
Play at a Division 1 club elsewhere for a number of years and be i eligible

I can understand though play 50 games from tackers to under 11s and be regarded as a one pointer, seems stupid but I mean the rule is there and clubs have taken advantage.

Point and case Ivanhoe in this instance.

Just on this - it begs the question what do you consider more of a guideline for a 1 point player - 8 years at a junior club affiliated with a senior club OR 8 years at a senior club?

It is a tricky one to adjudicate that for sure - but one thing for certain - not everyone is happy either way.

 

[Bojack Horseman IV]

Just on this - it begs the question what do you consider more of a guideline for a 1 point player - 8 years at a junior club affiliated with a senior club OR 8 years at a senior club?

It is a tricky one to adjudicate that for sure - but one thing for certain - not everyone is happy either way.

I would say it depends on the player in question....not the rule exactly.

150 games at a different senior club they can turn around and say thanks but no thanks to the 1 point club.

The choice falls back on the player at the end of the day.
I know plenty of 1 pointers who consider their senior club currently as their "home" not their junior club.

 

[Eyes_and_Ears]

Take Ivanhoe out of the equation...

Curious as to what would be the change you would make? Up the junior games played.. i think its 50 to be classified as one pointers.

Play VFL and lose eligibility?
Play at a Division 1 club elsewhere for a number of years and be ineligible

I can understand though play 50 games from tackers to under 11s and be regarded as a one pointer, seems stupid but I mean the rule is there and clubs have taken advantage.

You want as strong of a leauge/division as possible.

Point and case Ivanhoe in this instance.

Certain amount of games or years served at VFL and AFL lose eligibility.

50 games or 3 years at another senior club add a point. And so on for each 50 games until Max 4.

Goes back to junior club get a 1 point discount. So if they come from div 1, Ivanhoe will get a 3 pointer in return. Hate to be the realistic one and ruin chumpys mood but Ivanhoe didnt turn these players into guns, gifted ability, rep footy, tac, vfl system and their senior coaches did.

 

[Champ or Chump]

By rich club do you mean Ivanhoe? Other Vafa clubs found a way, maybe you just needed to build a private school next to your oval.

Its swings and roundabouts most clubs get their momemt in the sun. If a 17 year old who has played 52 games at Ivanhoe plays the next 10 years and 150 games at Banyule, i would consider them a Banyule player not an Ivanhoe player as most people would. Enjoy your moment but the rule needs adjusting.

You think Ivanhoe is a rich club? You know SFA if that's the case.

Yes it's been all one way traffic for 30 years and now we did something about it to survive. Clubs that took our best talent for years as they poached them for money - now want to bitch? Please.

We had a whole Colts team poached years back - is that right? What if those guys have been there now for 8-10 years - it's ok to call them another clubs 1 pointers?

Plenty of ways to slice the narrative but whilst I understand some of the merit, there is much more to it than some of what has been mentioned.

 

[Eyes_and_Ears]

You think Ivanhoe is a rich club? You know SFA if that's the case.

Yes it's been all one way traffic for 30 years and now we did something about it to survive. Clubs that took our best talent for years as they poached them for money - now want to bitch? Please.

We had a whole Colts team poached years back - is that right? What if those guys have been there now for 8-10 years - it's ok to call them another clubs 1 pointers?

Plenty of ways to slice the narrative but whilst I understand some of the merit, there is much more to it than some of what has been mentioned.

As I said the rule needs adjusting. Couldn't care less about Ivanhoe, Ivanhoes history or how many kids nappies you changed at the club.

It isn't a fair rule that is all im saying. No different to the thinking that promoted clubs should get extra points and div 1 premiers point deductions. The system isn't perfect and if you think it is your head is in the sand.

 

[Champ or Chump]

Certain amount of games or years served at VFL and AFL lose eligibility.

50 games or 3 years at another senior club add a point. And so on for each 50 games until Max 4.

Goes back to junior club get a 1 point discount. So if they come from div 1, Ivanhoe will get a 3 pointer in return. Hate to be the realistic one and ruin chumpys mood but Ivanhoe didnt turn these players into guns, gifted ability, rep footy, tac, vfl system and their senior coaches did.

some of that has merit - agree - and definitely would not suggest Ivanhoe turned them into the senior players they are.

But also understand the reason why senior clubs are encouraged to support, resource and even fund elements of junior clubs Potential pathway. So has to be something back the other way.

 

[Eyes_and_Ears]

some of that has merit - agree - and definitely would not suggest Ivanhoe turned them into the senior players they are.

But also understand the reason why senior clubs are encouraged to support, resource and even fund elements of junior clubs Potential pathway. So has to be something back the other way.

Not disagreeing at all with that.

 

[Champ or Chump]

As I said the rule needs adjusting. Couldn't care less about Ivanhoe, Ivanhoes history or how many kids nappies you changed at the club.

It isn't a fair rule that is all im saying. No different to the thinking that promoted clubs should get extra points and div 1 premiers point deductions. The system isn't perfect and if you think it is your head is in the sand.

and I could not care less for those that came hunting for us for years.

 

[Bojack Horseman IV]

Certain amount of games or years served at VFL and AFL lose eligibility.

50 games or 3 years at another senior club add a point. And so on for each 50 games until Max 4.

Goes back to junior club get a 1 point discount. So if they come from div 1, Ivanhoe will get a 3 pointer in return. Hate to be the realistic one and ruin chumpys mood but Ivanhoe didnt turn these players into guns, gifted ability, rep footy, tac, vfl system and their senior coaches did.

Honestly, it's a fair point.

Nobody wins, at this stage.
150 game club loses a gun, they are gonna be rightly annoyed.

1 point club takes over and you're jumping for joy.

Maybe shifts the idea that some clubs need to pay a little more attention and bridge the gap from their junior to senior clubs.
And for those who dont, push the idea harder and align themselves with a junior clubs

I.e Mill Park/ Bundoora.

Take the time to develop those "talented" juniors and keep them in the home club system to avoid losing them.

 

[Eyes_and_Ears]

Honestly, it's a fair point.

Nobody wins, at this stage.
150 game club loses a gun, they are gonna be rightly annoyed.

1 point club takes over and you're jumping for joy.

Maybe shifts the idea that some clubs need to pay a little more attention and bridge the gap from their junior to senior clubs.
And for those who dont, push the idea harder and align themselves with a junior clubs

I.e Mill Park/ Bundoora.

Take the time to develop those "talented" juniors and keep them in the home club system to avoid losing them.

Great idea in theory but not many junior clubs available to be aligned with.

Panton Hill, whats its population?

You think clubs like Reservoir, Lalor (how many were there in the 90s), Thomastown, Keon Park and even West Preston who folded 19s dont want bigger and better junior programs? Its no fluke that they are all near each other and struggling with junior numbers.

Some clubs are blessed by growth, location and demographic, some aren't. The rules need adjusting on many levels or clubs will continue to disappear at every level.

 

[10571z]

Honestly, it's a fair point.

Nobody wins, at this stage.
150 game club loses a gun, they are gonna be rightly annoyed.

1 point club takes over and you're jumping for joy.

Maybe shifts the idea that some clubs need to pay a little more attention and bridge the gap from their junior to senior clubs.
And for those who dont, push the idea harder and align themselves with a junior clubs

I.e Mill Park/ Bundoora.

Take the time to develop those "talented" juniors and keep them in the home club system to avoid losing them.

What your doing is encouraging clubs to poach other juniors really when the entire thing is based around dont go for other clubs juniors... The only reasons its an issue is because Ivanhoe's juniors were poached away in the past???

 

[Champ or Chump]

What your doing is encouraging clubs to poach other juniors really when the entire thing is based around dont go for other clubs juniors... The only reasons its an issue is because Ivanhoe's juniors were poached away in the past???

It's has been a little unhelpful

 

[Eyes_and_Ears]

What your doing is encouraging clubs to poach other juniors really when the entire thing is based around dont go for other clubs juniors... The only reasons its an issue is because Ivanhoe's juniors were poached away in the past???

You realise in a lot of cases its just that mummy and daddy had a house in Ivanhoe so thats where you played. They weren't driving you to play at West Preston just cause it was a better junior program, but as an adult you get to make that choice and go where you like.

 

[Champ or Chump]

You realise in a lot of cases its just that mummy and daddy had a house in Ivanhoe so thats where you played. They weren't driving you to play at West Preston just cause it was a better junior program, but as an adult you get to make that choice and go where you like.

Agreed - but also adult clubs pay to poach/players leave for cash, so rewarding them with similar points concessions could be something to consider as part of this conversation. Tricky.

PS I wish Mummy and daddy did have a house in Ivanhoe

 

[Bojack Horseman IV]

Agreed - but also as an adult clubs pay to poach/players leave for cash, so rewarding them with similar points concessions could be something to consider as part of this conversation. Tricky.

PS I wish Mummy and daddy did have a house in Ivanhoe

Im pretty sure my dad called the pub his house.

 

[turkishbread32]

Junior club this. Senior club that. 1 point this 1 point that, at the end of the day if a senior club is fortunate to have a junior club program why not use it to your advantage by having players hopefully stay and continue their journey with that club or come back and finish their career at thee junior club or come back and play with their best mates and become a 1 pointer.

most of the players on ivanhoes list for many years in the ammo’s came from the junior program couldn’t bring in the big name players as they lost majority of those players to an NFNL team, and now they want to come back and play with their best mates who r at the club.

Ivanhoe is in a very lucky position that a lot of the players that they have brought in for next season are guns and played all their junior football at Ivanhoe, Eg Federico over 100 games, Jake vanderveeken over 100 games just to name a couple,

yes clubs may see it as some of the players that they have brought in have played less than 70 games for the junior club and they shouldn’t be a 1 pointer cause they played 6+ years with another senior club, if that’s the case if we got rid of the junior club points. Every club within the NFNL would struggle to have their best players on the ground every week cause they would be hitting overs.

Ivanhoe again is in a lucky position. But so is Heidelberg in Div 1 so is banyule in Div 1 with their juniors and parade in div 2 with their juniors and school football with BT coaching both. It’s October let’s see how Ivanhoe goes next season as well as other teams across the NFNL

 

[Bojack Horseman IV]

Junior club this. Senior club that. 1 point this 1 point that, at the end of the day if a senior club is fortunate to have a junior club program why not use it to your advantage by having players hopefully stay and continue their journey with that club or come back and finish their career at thee junior club or come back and play with their best mates and become a 1 pointer, most of the players on ivanhoes list for many years in the ammo’s came from the junior program couldn’t bring in the big name players as they lost majority of those players to an NFNL team, and now they want to come back and play with their best mates who r at the club. Ivanhoe is in a very lucky position that a lot of the players that they have brought in for next season are guns and played all their junior football at Ivanhoe, Eg Federico over 100 games, Jake vanderveeken over 100 games just to name a couple, yes clubs may see it as some of the players that they have brought in have played less than 70 games for the junior club and they shouldn’t be a 1 pointer cause they played 6+ years with another senior club, if that’s the case if we got rid of the junior club points. Every club within the NFNL would struggle to have their best players on the ground every week cause they would be hitting overs. Ivanhoe again is in a lucky position. But so is Heidelberg in Div 1 so is banyule in Div 1 with their juniors and parade in div 2 with their juniors and school football with BT coaching both. It’s October let’s see how Ivanhoe goes next season as well as other teams across the NFNL

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