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I think we saw this year from how the club cut guys like Atley and Dumont that our list managers see our window opening a bit later than the fans do.
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Playing finals and challenging for the flag imo.
I think we saw this year from how the club cut guys like Atley and Dumont that our list managers see our window opening a bit later than the fans do.
Or they just weren't that good and they can finally move them off the list?I think we saw this year from how the club cut guys like Atley and Dumont that our list managers see our window opening a bit later than the fans do.
I think we saw this year from how the club cut guys like Atley and Dumont that our list managers see our window opening a bit later than the fans do.
Maybe. More likely it's the inverse in that we'd be slower in the long run with guys like Phillips, Powell, Lazzaro and Perez etc playing twos (an old criminal taught me that guys develop quicker in the ones). I don't believe that Noble and Brady really thinks Atley and Dumont would have cost us wins in 2022 though, well maybe Atley.Or that they don't think the window ever properly opens with those two on the park.
Well yeah guys who aren't A graders taking games away from the kids we're trying to play.Maybe. More likely it's the inverse in that we'd be slower in the long run with guys like Phillips, Powell, Lazzaro and Perez etc playing twos (an old criminal taught me that guys develop quicker in the ones). I don't believe that Noble and Brady really thinks Atley and Dumont would have cost us wins in 2022 though, well maybe Atley.
Well yeah guys who aren't A graders taking games away from the kids we're trying to play.
I'd dumont and Atley were upto standard then they would have been recontracted or at the very least other teams would have traded them in instead of being delisted.
Glad we've had a fresh set of eyes come in and say what a lot of the fans have been over recent years.
I think that we’ve cut reaaaall deep and that will hurt us. I think we can play some good footy in the next two years but don’t expect us to win more than 10 games in a season until 2024.
I don't think the fact that we've cut deep is the reason that we will be light on wins.
Do people actually believe that if we had all of Dumont, Atley, Brown, Pittard, Williams, Wood, Garner, etc. all in our best 22, that we'd not be a bottom 4 side?
I don't think the fact that we've cut deep is the reason that we will be light on wins.
Do people actually believe that if we had all of Dumont, Atley, Brown, Pittard, Williams, Wood, Garner, etc. all in our best 22, that we'd not be a bottom 4 side?
Relationships. Relationships. Relationships. Ignore the slightly shithouse video and see the actual work being done by a head coach with his first year players. Nobes will have the boys eating out of his hands when the whips are cracking because of the love and respect that has gone their way.
Doubly so considering it's the offseason and no one would bat an eye if we didn't see or hear from him until the draft.It'd be weirder if nobes was "good" at making little social media videos. But it is good to see him establishing and maintaining the relationships with players.
I don't think the fact that we've cut deep is the reason that we will be light on wins.
Do people actually believe that if we had all of Dumont, Atley, Brown, Pittard, Williams, Wood, Garner, etc. all in our best 22, that we'd not be a bottom 4 side?
Sadly some fans seem to think that way.Do people actually believe that if we had all of Dumont, Atley, Brown, Pittard, Williams, Wood, Garner, etc. all in our best 22, that we'd not be a bottom 4 side?
I think experience is important - even if they aren't playing in the 22 every week. Training standards / career professionalism / list depth are all important.
I like that we are going down this path but I also feel like I'm being realistic that losing seasoned bodies will make it hard to challenge good teams.
At least.6th consecutive flag by 2023 or we've failed.
No point keeping seasoned bodies just to play 2's. That's pure list clogged.By all reports, our training standards were diabolical under Scott/Shaw (with those experienced players).
I understand what you're saying re being realistic & I do agree. I suppose I just challenge how much the list clean out is responsible Vs the overarching fact that we were a poorly run club for some time.
No point keeping seasoned bodies just to play 2's. That's pure list clogged.
Besides, we've got a bit in the 1's...Turner, Corr, Hall, Ziebell, J Walker, Cunnington, Goldstein, Anderson, McDonald. McKay is coming up to preseason 7 and Simpkin 6, so I'd count them as seasoned. Bull and Larkey have been around a while too.
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Neither of them, as an example, are going to kill you (as long as Shaun doesn't get the ball with 30 secs to go against *)... but nor will they have enough impact to justify keeping them in the 2s at this stage of our build.I'm also of the view that bringing Dumont in if Cunnington gets injured, or Atley in for Corr etc. wouldn't exactly change our fortunes.
The "benefit" of keeping them as emergency depth is pretty minimal IMO.
Brown at his best may be worth a win or 2. The others, bar Garner, aren't much chop.
We might not win one for a year or two afterward. But otherwise what does "Challenge meaningfully" mean? Teams have won flags with young lists. That's about as meaningful as a challenge gets.we're too young to be challenging meaningfully.