Except they are saving funds which can be used for tassie which wont effect other spending.
Saved funds still get spent on something eventually. There is always an opportunity cost with everything the AFL do.
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Except they are saving funds which can be used for tassie which wont effect other spending.
It's the second year. Bear in mind you've got part time professionals who are drafted interstate. It's pretty harsh financially.
Clubs are extracting money from AFLW memberships but it's tough while entry is free.
It's early days and there'll be rapid change for a few years yet. Way too early to say it cant ever generate a surplus.
That the AFL is capable of walking and chewing gum at the same time.So you agree AFLW is going to take increasing amounts of money...but somehow the AFL's profits are all available to be thrown at Tas? How does that work?
It's the second year. Bear in mind you've got part time professionals who are drafted interstate. It's pretty harsh financially.
Clubs are extracting money from AFLW memberships but it's tough while entry is free.
It's early days and there'll be rapid change for a few years yet. Way too early to say it cant ever generate a surplus.
This is all irrelevant, my question was concerning the 49m profit, not the operating surplus.
In other words, an ongoing cost that won't be onerous in any particular year.
I doubt the game development funds in Tasmania will keep growing at the same pace as revenue. As for AFLW it's clearly an investment, it will rise in popularity and I predict revenues will increase over time, paying back at least some of that investment.
I certainly do. Any Tasmanian team will almost certainly have funds tipped into it by the state government so the cost will not be as high as many think.
That the AFL is capable of walking and chewing gum at the same time.
A tasmanian team would have some setup costs initially but the investment will mostly be spread over a long period. The AFLW is similar.
I actually clearly didn't say the AFLW will never make money. It wont in the next few years though. Every step forward will be met with growth and additional expense for a few years yet I'd think.
So, let them make some cuts. There would be endless ways they can make cuts that are barely even noticeable. AFL is a big organisation. They can do this. They can make a cool million just by ditching the foreign "entertainment" at the Grand Final.Can they organise 2 new things at once? Well, setting up GC & GWS seemed to strain them (some would say break)...and currently they still have to hold the hands of those 2, and there is the small matter of AFLW and have just taken over ownership/management of Docklands. (Yes, I know you're going to claim you're running yourselves, but when the league is paying the majority of your budget and appointing the board, they clearly have a sizable hand in it).
Mostly I was just talking money though, and a Tas team will be in the tens of millions, yearly and ongoing. (minimum would be the ~11m distribution, but noticeably more would be likely). Setup costs would be on top of that.
This isn't pocket change that the AFL can spend without significantly cutting back elsewhere.
In no way has the expansion strained the AFL financially, and more product has increased revenue. It's not all downside. Our governance is similar to the Swans and other clubs.Can they organise 2 new things at once? Well, setting up GC & GWS seemed to strain them (some would say break)...and currently they still have to hold the hands of those 2, and there is the small matter of AFLW and have just taken over ownership/management of Docklands. (Yes, I know you're going to claim you're running yourselves, but when the league is paying the majority of your budget and appointing the board, they clearly have a sizable hand in it).
Mostly I was just talking money though, and a Tas team will be in the tens of millions, yearly and ongoing. (minimum would be the ~11m distribution, but noticeably more would be likely). Setup costs would be on top of that.
This isn't pocket change that the AFL can spend without significantly cutting back elsewhere.
Yep hense they can be spent on Tassie.Saved funds still get spent on something eventually. There is always an opportunity cost with everything the AFL do.
Yes, do you? You even acknowledge there's a profit left over after you've accounted for those expenses. I'm asking what became of that.Do you have any idea of accounting and/or finance?
Because that comment makes no sense.
Yes. Is there a point to your comment?Like, the particular years where they try and pay off those debts?
And there will still be enough left over. Or the money for a Tasmanian team can be quarantined and paid first before the rest of the pile. Unless you think revenues are about to suddenly stagnate and expenses shoot up enormously.Point was, they'll all take their part in chipping away at that 'profit' in coming years, leaving less free/available to spend on a Tas team.
Do you understand how corporate welfare works? They don't always simply ask for one-off favours, they leverage commitments into ongoing payments or benefits if they can. Which is what the car manufacturers did, until the government finally pulled the plug on them. And then what happened? They shut down. Getting the team isn't sufficient, Tasmania also has to keep the team. What's the point of a one-off commitment if the team goes belly up a few years later? Then it's money down the drain. If the AFL are smart, they'll leverage their position to get an ongoing subsidy. As far as I'm aware, the Tasmanian government is already providing an ongoing subsidy to get AFL games played in Tasmania as is, so the precedent has already been set.Why would they do that once they get a team?
Can they organise 2 new things at once? Well, setting up GC & GWS seemed to strain them (some would say break)...
Saved funds still get spent on something eventually. There is always an opportunity cost with everything the AFL do.
Can, sure, they 'can' afford lots of things...but it would still mean cutting back spending somewhere.
In no way has the expansion strained the AFL financially, and more product has increased revenue. It's not all downside. Our governance is similar to the Swans and other clubs.
At the end if the day it's clear the AFL can set up a team in Tasmania, with another new club in WA the most logical setup.
It's matter of opinion whether they should. In my view enfranchising a traditional footy state should have been done some time ago, and the sooner the error is corrected the better.
Imagine trying to get star players to live in Hobart... Good luck with that.
What has not received much comment, re the H./Sun article above, is that (paraphrasing) it said most AFL CEO's seemed cautiously open or in favour of a Tas. stand-alone AFL team.Gil seems finally to have worked it out that Tasmania has a value to the game. We've produced a lot & got SFA back out of it. You can't keep draining the place & expect nothing to change. It has changed. The game has been repeatedly drained by the VFL/AFL,underfunded to bugry & has been decimated as result.
IF the big fall in TV ratings occur again in 2019, it will be very worrying for the AFL & the game- & AFL executives will be wearing brown corduroy trousers.But why do you think the AFL panicked this year about the state of the game? With TV audience down, its conceivable that the next TV rights will be less which WILL put a strain on the competition. If the falling audience trend continues next season, it will be fascinating to see the fallout
Independent financial analyses have shown that a Tas. AFL team will be self sufficient financially ie similar to other heartland states, but would still receive the AFL annual distribution of other heartland states. Good state govt. & private sector support, superb ground deals, probably the most fanatical (per capita) AF state in the country.The sooner they put a team in Tassie the sooner it will fail, then we wont have to stick up with another 50 years of ' Put a team in Tassie '.
Tas. is a 45 minute flight to Melb. Flight bookings well in advance cost c. $150 return.Not just star players, if you can't get 18 year olds to live the idyllic lifestyle on the Gold Coast, you aren't going to get them living in Hobart.
This is the biggest load of horse crap which always gets trotted out on this discussion.Not just star players, if you can't get 18-year-olds to live the idyllic lifestyle on the Gold Coast, you aren't going to get them living in Hobart.
Fine
Kill overseas programs and AFL X for a start
How much do you think the AFL spends on overseas programs? Last time I checked it was bugger all.
Tasmania should of been before Gold Coast and GWS, ffs!
This is the biggest load of horse crap which always gets trotted out on this discussion.
1. They don't have a say on where they go in the draft. If they did, then every Northern club would be in big trouble because of Mommy and Daddy. They go where they get drafted.
2. several years ago, no kid wanted to stay in BRISBANE. The 3rd largest city in Australia. Suddenly, they do. Club culture has far more to do with player retention than location. Talk to Adelaide about that.
And if that isn't true, then GWS and GCS will always be feeder clubs to other clubs and you might as well go home. You never going to win anything if the last several years is anything to go by.
3. We might not be a destination city for free agents. Who cares. How many free agents(A-grade players) have gone to a place not of their home state. And even if they are in that state, doesn't mean they stand a chance. North has had several shots at star players with money. Should close them down as well i guess.
We would have a very good shot at any Tassie grown talent working overseas(ala Matthew Wade in that cricket team/s which doesn't have any players according to BF, or doesn't exist at all according to another idiot on this forum).
4. Check our housing prices. Tassie is so vogue atm.
5. The biggest reason Sydney and Brisbane have gotten players to move to them(outside of money) is anonymity. A Tassie side could be a goldfish bowl of pressure, a mini Adelaide. Or It could be relaxing for a country boy to live in an actual rural location to raise a family. Who bloody knows. Being a destination club have done F-all to several Victorian clubs.
6. We live in a small world. Its an hour flight.