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[feenix67]

Our results are proof of the fact that we have 1/3 of our best team in the medical ward and fewer top-10 draftees than any other club in the entire competition. It's got nothing to do with the monumentally stupid idea of throwing the kids to the sharks without giving them shark repellant.

This is actually rubbish. Not sure whether you've actually ever coached or been on selection committees, but unless you have an established team that is winning and a chance of a flag, you definitely promote and develop kids. You are, afterall, building tour next premiership team. And you've picked these kids up because (one would hope) you think they are a part of your next premiership team.

This is where we stuff around with selection too much. We are always in the middle, we don't have a plan. Second half of the season last year is a classic example. Tambling and Callinan and you could argue Porps. Why did they get games? Why did we play Thommo while injured? Because there's no plan, no bigger picture perspective.

Here's an example. We lack pace. There's a kid in the twos called Rory Atkins who has pace. He was touted as a highish pick who slipped based on bad attitude. So the kid has ability. Why the hell don't we play him, he has what we need. Now I know you're going to scoff, but let me assure you that the reasons you'll scoff are the same reasons why our selection is rudderless... no big picture selection.

Let's face it, this team isn't going to win a flag this year. So you HAVE to give the kids some games, because otherwise they're never going to hit that critical 30 game mark. Keep some experience in but play them peripherally (eg Thommo up forward). Don't persist with spuds (eh Pets, Mackay) because they aren't in your next premiership team. They become your second stringers, selected only when the KIDS get injured or need a break.

Let the kids play together, let them gel and build something together. That's decent selection policy with a realistic, big picture perspective.



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[Drugs Are Bad Mackay?]

He wasn't dropped, and being named in the SANFL side means SFA if they aren't dropped! You are reaching like many others on this board over this issue, move on, they are bloody playing!

Yeah yeah yeah

Same as Lyons being named as the sub doesn't mean he's about to be dropped, and same for Porplyzia.

Some people can read the writing on the wall.

So to summarise: Your theory is that they randomly chose two names of players that DEFINITELY were not going to be dropped in the SANFL team instead of players who actually were possibilities to be dropped. Ok.

 

[WaynesWorld19]

Almost correct.

You missed the part about waiting until we've exhausted our options with soon-to-be-delisted players.

Playing Tambling and Callinan last year when our season was gone...what was the ****ing point?

Asessing whether to retain them on the list or delist them .....something even this board agreed with

So want to re-write history huh?

 

[Elite Crow]

If we didn't have so many injuries our season wouldn't look so bad right now either... cmon EC, you usually do better than this

That has nothing to do with it. The issue is we don't generally play kids early. This has nothing to do with how our season is going. The only reason we played Crouch though is because we have injuries.

 

[BACCS]

Would love to see Atkins play this year, his SANFL form has been good hasn't it?

 

[Elite Crow]

They were also named in the AFL side and the team is unchanged, there are no definitive facts to support either side.

They were named in the reserves and on the bench when Petrenko wasn't named in the reserves nor on the bench.

 

[Drugs Are Bad Mackay?]

This is actually rubbish. Not sure whether you've actually ever coached or been on selection committees, but unless you have an established team that is winning and a chance of a flag, you definitely promote and develop kids. You are, afterall, building tour next premiership team. And you've picked these kids up because (one would hope) you think they are a part of your next premiership team.

This is where we stuff around with selection too much. We are always in the middle, we don't have a plan. Second half of the season last year is a classic example. Tambling and Callinan and you could argue Porps. Why did they get games? Why did we play Thommo while injured? Because there's no plan, no bigger picture perspective.

Here's an example. We lack pace. There's a kid in the twos called Rory Atkins who has pace. He was touted as a highish pick who slipped based on bad attitude. So the kid has ability. Why the hell don't we play him, he has what we need. Now I know you're going to scoff, but let me assure you that the reasons you'll scoff are the same reasons why our selection is rudderless... no big picture selection.

Let's face it, this team isn't going to win a flag this year. So you HAVE to give the kids some games, because otherwise they're never going to hit that critical 30 game mark. Keep some experience in but play them peripherally (eg Thommo up forward). Don't persist with spuds (eh Pets, Mackay) because they aren't in your next premiership team. They become your second stringers, selected only when the KIDS get injured or need a break.

Let the kids play together, let them gel and build something together. That's decent selection policy with a realistic, big picture perspective.

Bingo bango.

Sums it up perfectly. We are living week to week and have been for a long time.

We should get "make the eight and anything can happen" painted on our player's race on one side and "they'll get games when they're ready" on the other.

 

[Drugs Are Bad Mackay?]

Asessing whether to retain them on the list or delist them .....something even this board agreed with

So want to re-write history huh?

Surely we had enough info to go on by that stage

 

[BACCS]

That has nothing to do with it. The issue is we don't generally play kids early. This has nothing to do with how our season is going. The only reason we played Crouch though is because we have injuries.

I would love for someone to do a proper analysis on this and compare against other clubs and actually prove this point.

 

[Elite Crow]

Would love to see Atkins play this year, his SANFL form has been good hasn't it?

He looked good last week, hopefully he can get more of the ball.

 

[WaynesWorld19]

So let's just agree with the selectors persisting with porps, pets, Shaw, injured thommo, etc ... Whilst we have form options

we do? ...who

State league is getting thrashed, not exactly players beating down the door ......even today the BF board talked up Lyons, but was he named in the best players, or are we simply hyping up who we want to see play ?

BTW Pets was left out of the side first 2 weeks and Shaw was dropped for last 2 games .....so where are we persisting ?????????

BTW Shaw will make everyone on BF eat their words ......but that's not really all that hard

 

[WaynesWorld19]

Let's start with giving a promising midfielder a few games when our midfield is getting smashed.

Huh?? ....no-one outside the side has beaten the door down

And if it's who i think you're referring to when played has done nothing ......you do know if you play well they don't normally drop you, strange thing that

 

[BACCS]

At least we will get Lynch back next week after he dominated reserves today.

 

[Elite Crow]

I would love for someone to do a proper analysis on this and compare against other clubs and actually prove this point.

You don't reckon Collingwood, Hawks and Geelong for example have a history of playing kids more than us?

 

[WaynesWorld19]

Yeah, that's the status now. This week.

Our results have been below par for a long time and it is worth looking at whether our prevailing attitudes are delivering us the best results.

And for the millionth time - we cannot use no top ten picks as an excuse if we've never taken steps (trading players for them, filling our team with kids) to get top 10 picks.

How about being excluded from last 2 drafts ....or is that not a factor??

And when we suggest trading any player of quality this board bitches and moans

 

[Drugs Are Bad Mackay?]

Huh?? ....no-one outside the side has beaten the door down

And if it's who i think you're referring to when played has done nothing ......you do know if you play well they don't normally drop you, strange thing that

The players in the 22 haven't performed at another level to Lyons. That's the baffling part.

In the handful of minutes we've been dragged kicking and screaming into giving him he's looked as good as or better than most of our undroppable mid-range guys.

 

[JP Sauce]

Asessing whether to retain them on the list or delist them .....something even this board agreed with

So want to re-write history huh?

If we hadn't made up our minds about Tambling and Callinan until the final weeks of last season then that is a very scary thought and is a huge sign that our list management/team selection groups have NFI what they are doing.

So if either/both were in the best when they played then we'd keep them and sack Martin and Thompson instead? Weren't both Tambling and Callinan kind of decent when they played anyway?

 

[Elite Crow]

Huh?? ....no-one outside the side has beaten the door down

And if it's who i think you're referring to when played has done nothing ......you do know if you play well they don't normally drop you, strange thing that

Pets didn't play well and wasn't dropped.

I reckon CEY in his third year on the list and after having a good preseason and start to the season deserves a spot in a team that can't win a game.

 

[Ravenous Crow]

Asessing whether to retain them on the list or delist them .....something even this board agreed with

So want to re-write history huh?

If we were really considering re-signing them on the back of a bumper game or two in season junk time then we're in even more trouble than I thought.

EDIT: JP Sauce making me redundant.

 

[Elite Crow]

How about being excluded from last 2 drafts ....or is that not a factor??

And when we suggest trading any player of quality this board bitches and moans

We suggested trading DMack and you bitched and moaned.

 

[Drugs Are Bad Mackay?]

How about being excluded from last 2 drafts ....or is that not a factor??

And when we suggest trading any player of quality this board bitches and moans

It's a factor now but again, these are not 2014 issues we are talking about. It is a cautious, "imagine what we'd look like without them" attitude that has existed for years.

And having less talent come in the last couple of seasons due to draft sanctions makes it more important that we fast track the likes of Lyons, Atkins, Cameron... whoever. It's not an excuse to plod along with the same old faces.

 

[Wood_Duck]

This is actually rubbish. Not sure whether you've actually ever coached or been on selection committees, but unless you have an established team that is winning and a chance of a flag, you definitely promote and develop kids. You are, afterall, building tour next premiership team. And you've picked these kids up because (one would hope) you think they are a part of your next premiership team.

This is where we stuff around with selection too much. We are always in the middle, we don't have a plan. Second half of the season last year is a classic example. Tambling and Callinan and you could argue Porps. Why did they get games? Why did we play Thommo while injured? Because there's no plan, no bigger picture perspective.

Here's an example. We lack pace. There's a kid in the twos called Rory Atkins who has pace. He was touted as a highish pick who slipped based on bad attitude. So the kid has ability. Why the hell don't we play him, he has what we need. Now I know you're going to scoff, but let me assure you that the reasons you'll scoff are the same reasons why our selection is rudderless... no big picture selection.

Let's face it, this team isn't going to win a flag this year. So you HAVE to give the kids some games, because otherwise they're never going to hit that critical 30 game mark. Keep some experience in but play them peripherally (eg Thommo up forward). Don't persist with spuds (eh Pets, Mackay) because they aren't in your next premiership team. They become your second stringers, selected only when the KIDS get injured or need a break.

Let the kids play together, let them gel and build something together. That's decent selection policy with a realistic, big picture perspective.



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Not a bad post except, have you ever met a coach that doesn't try to win every game every week? Short of bing a complete basket case and being told to lose there are very few coaches that wouldn't pick the best team each week.

 

[feenix67]

At least we will get Lynch back next week after he dominated reserves today.

The Ranga is a classic example of what I was referring to earlier. We wouldnt be saying "thank god Lynchy's back" had we not seen his value last year, which grew with every game, following his "left field" selection only after Tex went down.



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[Elite Crow]

Not a bad post except, have you ever met a coach that doesn't try to win every game every week? Short of bing a complete basket case and being told to lose there are very few coaches that wouldn't pick the best team each week.

Their opinion of the best team. Do you think Pets belongs in our best team this week?

 

[Drugs Are Bad Mackay?]

I would love for someone to do a proper analysis on this and compare against other clubs and actually prove this point.

I did this a couple of years ago, comparing us to Hawthorn, Collingwood, Fremantle. We were absolutely MILES behind.

However, the naysayers came up with a whole string of Awwyeahbuts to explain away the figures.

Awwyeahbut we are gunning for finals, can't play the kids now

Awwyeahbut we drafted lots of talls and they take longer

Awwyeahbut our draftees were injured so we couldn't play them

Etc