Oppo Camp Non-Essendon Football Thread XVII

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ghostdog said:
Yeah I thought it revealed the pressure he might be facing to get results, but I'm under no illusions that the context of understanding the players have from communication internally is much more nuanced as well. It was interesting today to see that his way of controlling the narrative was to say Scrimshaw likes being coached that way. I wondered if Scrimshaw has ever actually confessed that 'love.'

It would be great to be a fly on the wall for one of those sprays though. Voss could be scary. I reckon Lyon could make a person feel pretty dumb with few words. Same with Dimma.
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People also need to accept that athletes and coaches have relationships and communication methods that are different to your everyday person.

Now I know we have gone a fair way down the protect and not hurt anyone's feelings pathway but there is still a place for hard coaching.
Essendon fans are quick to forget that this club has had incidents of this between players and between players/coaches.

isthisit13 said:
Is it just me or did we leave the desk thumping back in the last century? The last time I saw this kind of aggression a dickhead punch a hole in the wall. (Could be wrong)
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Coaches have been throwing phones and smacking desks for years. Because they are allowed to show emotion, just as players are and I'm sure everyday people do every day.

Are we seriously caring about this?
 

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isthisit13 said:
My bad, i didn't realise putting your fist through a laptop was everyday behavior.
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You mustn't work with the same kind of people I do.
 
isthisit13 said:
My bad, i didn't realise putting your fist through a laptop was everyday behavior.
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I've told you a million times, you shouldn't exaggerate.
 
Mercurial89 said:
People also need to accept that athletes and coaches have relationships and communication methods that are different to your everyday person.

Now I know we have gone a fair way down the protect and not hurt anyone's feelings pathway but there is still a place for hard coaching.
Essendon fans are quick to forget that this club has had incidents of this between players and between players/coaches.



Coaches have been throwing phones and smacking desks for years. Because they are allowed to show emotion, just as players are and I'm sure everyday people do every day.

Are we seriously caring about this?
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Responding emotionally vs. responding pragmatically, and understanding what it means to be professional, is the issue.
 
ghostdog said:
Responding emotionally vs. responding pragmatically, and understanding what it means to be professional, is the issue.
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I guess my question would be if the hawks were winning and he did this would it have barely rated a mention? Would there be this conversation over it and the question of "professionalism".
As we have seen this from countless winners across all sports and walks of life, I'm going to say no.

The pile on is because they are performing poorly and mostly because it's Mitchell and Hawthorn on here.

Which is fine, but let's be honest why it's even a discussion
 
Mercurial89 said:
I guess my question would be if the hawks were winning and he did this would it have barely rated a mention? Would there be this conversation over it and the question of "professionalism".
As we have seen this from countless winners across all sports and walks of life, I'm going to say no.

The pile on is because they are performing poorly and mostly because it's Mitchell and Hawthorn on here.

Which is fine, but let's be honest why it's even a discussion
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If you're carrying on like a porkchop and you're winning it might be because it's effective and resonates with the playing group.

If you're not winning, it might be because it doesn't resonate with them and is bad coaching behaviour.

The more professional the game gets, the less this behaviour is acceptable. It's still a workplace after all.
 
Mercurial89 said:
I guess my question would be if the hawks were winning and he did this would it have barely rated a mention? Would there be this conversation over it and the question of "professionalism".
As we have seen this from countless winners across all sports and walks of life, I'm going to say no.

The pile on is because they are performing poorly and mostly because it's Mitchell and Hawthorn on here.

Which is fine, but let's be honest why it's even a discussion
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Can’t you just allow us to rejoice in the smug prick’s buffoonery? He deserves to be belittled every inch of his footballing journey from the day he mock-injected himself in front of our players.
 

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Mercurial89 said:
I guess my question would be if the hawks were winning and he did this would it have barely rated a mention? Would there be this conversation over it and the question of "professionalism".
As we have seen this from countless winners across all sports and walks of life, I'm going to say no.

The pile on is because they are performing poorly and mostly because it's Mitchell and Hawthorn on here.

Which is fine, but let's be honest why it's even a discussion
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I think it's become a discussion because he responded emotionally in public. When the Pies were winning Macrae also responded emotionally in public. The media loves it either way. It generates clicks. The pile on happens because the negative response has been emotional, so the professional way to avoid that is to be pragmatic and play a straight bat.
Too emotionally positive and they run the risk of being labelled a smug victor.
 
ghostdog said:
It would be great to be a fly on the wall for one of those sprays though. Voss could be scary. I reckon Lyon could make a person feel pretty dumb with few words. Same with Dimma.
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Lyon doesn't strike me as the brightest spark.

Good coach, dumb guy.
 
Kong said:
Lyon doesn't strike me as the brightest spark.

Good coach, dumb guy.
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He reminds me of one of those lawyers from the deep south in an American film. The slick legal team from NYC think he's going to be a southern dumbarse, but he asks the right questions in his laidback manner and is able to leave a person completely exposed. I reckon he's that guy.
 
I got a bit of a chuckle out of Sam Taylor labelling the Swans players as smug. Well said.
 
Happyskeret said:
I got a bit of a chuckle out of Sam Taylor labelling the Swans players as smug. Well said.
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That smugness is a facade

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All pretty fair comments

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Dear AFL,

I normally swear on here and act like an idiot, however there will be no profanity or hyperbole in this letter. These are my honest and bewildered thoughts as a current player and lifetime fan of the greatest game in the world.

The tribunal and match review panel are single-handedly destroying the game. You are making it impossible to play in good spirit, you’re making it impossible to adjudicate and you’re not far off making it impossible to support.

Over the past 12 months, this is my interpretation of the rules of the game based on what I am hearing and seeing coming directly from the AFL;

Protect the head at all costs, obviously unless a head knock is as a result of a football act, but then it depends on how hard you get hit in that football act and if the player had any other alternatives, but also the player needs to take into account the potential to cause harm, but of course it shouldn’t depend on the outcome of the opponent, unless of course it does result in a concussion, but even then it depends on the intent, but of course a player is entitled to attack the ball with good technique, but it doesn’t matter if the opposition runs in head first like how every kid playing the game growing up gets taught not to do, but then of course it depends on the state of the game and the time of the year, it depends on whether or not we need to make an example out of someone, but then don’t forget if they have had a clean record in the past and do charity work, but then obviously that can only matter once and never again because from now on that doesn’t count, and it depends on the player, and the team they’re on, but really it all boils down to protecting the head because we’re seeing more players retire from concussion than ever before, but we will still let a guy play next week after punching someone in the face in the goal square because it wasn’t hard enough to hurt them.

I have grown up all my life surrounded by football. Playing football, watching football, my family has been engrossed in the AFL system for decades and I have absolutely no idea what is going on anymore.

My brother is never going to play football again in his whole life because of a jumping smother that turned into a bump that collided with his head. As much as it killed me to watch that, I can put my feelings for Angus aside and say that down to the nuts and bolts of it, Maynard was trying to smother the ball in a qualifying final so technically it was a football act.

You certainly didn’t care all for the outcome there and Brayden went on to win a premiership. That is precedence. That was as big a defining moment for the tribunal as I can remember, and you went with protecting the sanctity of the game over the protection of the player. I’m not agreeing or disagreeing with that, but it is breaking me that you are constantly backflipping on that stance.

Peter Wright and Toby Green, 4 weeks and 1 week respectively for football acts with not a whole lot of difference. Jeremy Finlayson got less than Peter Wright for a homophobic slur which once again highlights that nobody at the AFL really knows what’s happening at the tribunal, you just make it up as you see fit.

Matt Crouch has been given a week for picking the ball up the way every single kid playing football is taught to do it. There is goal square footage of Jesse Hogan punching his defender in the face, and he has admitted to swinging with force to try and push his opponent. The AFL’s response “We are not clearly satisfied that was anything more than negligible.” He was swung a fist at a bloke's face and because it didn’t hurt you haven’t given him a week. Punish the action, not the outcome unless the outcome is they’re okay. Ask my little brother Andrew if an intentional swing to the face has the potential to cause harm. Incredible.

We’ve heard enough about Charlie Cameron being let off for being a nice guy but Tom Barrass can’t escape a week for the same thing. The get-out-of-jail-free card only appears once in the deck apparently.

This is my last point and I am going to swear so beep this out if you want. Tom Barrass is staying in Perth and missing one game for a dangerous tackle. I don’t think there was much more he could’ve done differently. Walters played the game out and isn’t concussed but sure, still give Barrass a week if that’s the stance, protect the head at all costs. I can’t physically watch the Melbourne Demons play football anymore because my brother’s brain is going to be f***ed for the rest of his life and you didn’t think that was enough for a week off.

AFL you are the greatest game in the world, but right now you’re a joke. Your systems for protecting the player and maintaining the integrity of the game are broken and desperately need to be fixed. Before they can be fixed you need to actually understand the criteria you want to govern the game by. It needs to be understandable for the public and it needs to be followed. You can’t pick and choose when to dismiss certain things and when to change your views on others. It has to change otherwise this game is going to turn into something unrecognisable and it’s going to happen very quickly.



Yours Sincerely,

Hamish Brayshaw
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