When they said "kick ducking out of football" I didn't think it would happen so quickly.
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Based on his performance in the QF, a round one suspension would increase Collingwood’s chances of a win…
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Why is it so predictable that these high attention types end up being in trouble. Some players love to say they want to do it their way etc.... and then come a gutsa. Id bet the mate he is with cops little attention.... and thats some that is neither right or wrong..its just is.
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Attention seekers thrives on their dopamine hit…no suprise that it’d involve risky behaviour
Usually there is video that goes along with these sorta things...
Inb4 the usual self-consciously world-weary, jaded-by-it-all cynics react to this story by perpetuating the absurd "all the players do it" narrative to try and make it seem like Ginnivan is merely the unlucky one who got caught - "literally everyone does illicit drugs" - and that all those who believe otherwise are naive sheeple. 
Inb4 "mental health problems" to further undermine those that actually suffer from them.
Beat me to it
There I was thinking the off season indiscretion news had been quiet this year.
Not the best typo you could make...
Inb4 the usual self-consciously world-weary, jaded-by-it-all cynics react to this story by perpetuating the absurd "all the players do it" narrative to try and make it seem like Ginnivan is merely the unlucky one who got caught - "literally everyone does illicit drugs" - and that all those who believe otherwise are naive sheeple.
UPDATE: Have already seen a fair bit of this. Including a guy on the Collingwood board making the claim that "75% of AFL players do coke."
There is some evidence that cocaine use has been increasing in the general population of employed people (Increasing cocaine use amongst employed Australians: who is most at-risk? - PubMed), but I think people do tend to overestimate this stuff in the AFL because they just think “teenager with $200k+ disposable income - of course!”UPDATE: Have already seen a fair bit of this. Including a guy on the Collingwood board making the claim that "75% of AFL players do coke."
This generation binge drinks less than basically any other before it - you’d think that would lead to a decrease in this stuff as well. Ginnivan admitted he basically did it cos he had a few beers and wasn’t thinking clearly.
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UPDATE: Have already seen a fair bit of this. Including a guy on the Collingwood board making the claim that "75% of AFL players do coke."
How old are you? What percentage of 20 year olds do you think have tried an illicit substance? I would say majority easily. I can't believe someone is still that ignorant on that when Dale Lewis called it like 20 years ago now....
I agree with our mate here from Alessandria.Inb4 the usual self-consciously world-weary, jaded-by-it-all cynics react to this story by perpetuating the absurd "all the players do it" narrative to try and make it seem like Ginnivan is merely the unlucky one who got caught - "literally everyone does illicit drugs" - and that all those who believe otherwise are naive sheeple.
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They like being on camera, on field or off. A lot of players do the same, some just attract cameras
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Tbh I would be surprised if the 75% number was inaccurate.UPDATE: Have already seen a fair bit of this. Including a guy on the Collingwood board making the claim that "75% of AFL players do coke."
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UPDATE: Have already seen a fair bit of this. Including a guy on the Collingwood board making the claim that "75% of AFL players do coke."
So where is the AFL's drug testing in all this?
If 75% are being idiots and indulging with coke then their drug reporting should be off the charts.
But then the AFL is more about protecting privacy than governing a sport with integrity, as we've seen in the past.
News outlets reported just a day or two ago, in light of Ginnivan's drug use, that no player has transgressed a second warning since about 2015.........really?
Someone is telling lies.
In my mind a lot of sides to this ... drug use. Illicit itself is not even a good term but I have no idea what is a better one. Unless it involves police ..then being illegal seems to be only part of the issue.
On one side ...the afl drug strike policy was never meant to expose drug use. Not having drug use reported is not surprising. This not about preventing PED. Testing out of comp, in every day life was more about player and comp maintenance. To protect the player, the club , the comp ... to try to avoid a drastic outcome like Tuck
Then the other is obvious . They are participating in drug use and we have seen where that road can lead if left unchecked. That this example of drug use is illegal is a factor but bad outcomes come from prescribed drugs too. I wonder if that Oxy crap has killed more people than Coke. Players are professionals and the argument that its in society is a weak one imo. AFL is something you sign up to because you want to be different to most of everyone, and you want to be paid well while using you body as tool. You want to do something you are good at. They are willing to push and do many things to try to max their performance.. then why would you degrade the tool?
Should the afl be concerned with activities outside of the game day. Do Olympic athletes get same requirements. Should they ..or should our system reflect theirs? Is it a role for the AFL...or considering how they love to be arbitors of all thing moral and cultural, should the afl be stronger on drug consequence. Where is the "Drugs Round" for drug victims. Users or all sorts of drugs including legal and the victims of crime. Seeing recent vision in Alice Springs would say to me there are plenty of issues the afl could and should try to be a voice in...if they are that way inclined.
On the hand .. maybe just play footy and not be political at all. Watching the Tennis this year showed the dangers of being too much aligned in the political.
Why do the players apologise? For doing wrong. or for escape the climate of blame?
These sort of questions surface for a while, especially when there is no footy. They will soon fade. By Thur most on here will be far more interested in the form of Clark and Bruhn and Bowes etc.
On one side ...the afl drug strike policy was never meant to expose drug use. Not having drug use reported is not surprising. This not about preventing PED. Testing out of comp, in every day life was more about player and comp maintenance. To protect the player, the club , the comp ... to try to avoid a drastic outcome like Tuck
Then the other is obvious . They are participating in drug use and we have seen where that road can lead if left unchecked. That this example of drug use is illegal is a factor but bad outcomes come from prescribed drugs too. I wonder if that Oxy crap has killed more people than Coke. Players are professionals and the argument that its in society is a weak one imo. AFL is something you sign up to because you want to be different to most of everyone, and you want to be paid well while using you body as tool. You want to do something you are good at. They are willing to push and do many things to try to max their performance.. then why would you degrade the tool?
Should the afl be concerned with activities outside of the game day. Do Olympic athletes get same requirements. Should they ..or should our system reflect theirs? Is it a role for the AFL...or considering how they love to be arbitors of all thing moral and cultural, should the afl be stronger on drug consequence. Where is the "Drugs Round" for drug victims. Users or all sorts of drugs including legal and the victims of crime. Seeing recent vision in Alice Springs would say to me there are plenty of issues the afl could and should try to be a voice in...if they are that way inclined.
On the hand .. maybe just play footy and not be political at all. Watching the Tennis this year showed the dangers of being too much aligned in the political.
Why do the players apologise? For doing wrong. or for escape the climate of blame?
These sort of questions surface for a while, especially when there is no footy. They will soon fade. By Thur most on here will be far more interested in the form of Clark and Bruhn and Bowes etc.
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the issue with athletes using drugs is that it can lead to a lot of murky stuff considering that they would have contact with dubious individuals to obtain said drugs which can lead to a lot of other stuff occurring
Things like extortion and just having a terrible influence in your inner circle . There’s also the concern that they have to 100% know what’s going into their bodies , can they safety say they know what’s 100% is in that drug? What is been mixed with? Can they trust their sources that it hasn’t been contaminated? Even disregarding that the use of drugs masks PED tests which is another concern in itself .
Overall it just demonstrates the person unable to make a sound life decision…even worse to be doing it in a public space where you’re more than likely going to be filmed/talked/caught
Things like extortion and just having a terrible influence in your inner circle . There’s also the concern that they have to 100% know what’s going into their bodies , can they safety say they know what’s 100% is in that drug? What is been mixed with? Can they trust their sources that it hasn’t been contaminated? Even disregarding that the use of drugs masks PED tests which is another concern in itself .
Overall it just demonstrates the person unable to make a sound life decision…even worse to be doing it in a public space where you’re more than likely going to be filmed/talked/caught
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