News Ollie Greaves possible NGA 2025 - AFL secret formula says no

[cryptor]

NGA rules are under section 15 of the AFL Rules which are found on the AFL policies page. https://www.afl.com.au/policies

Without having a law degree to fully comprehend those convoluted rules, it looks like it could potentially be a technicality regarding his age and when Hawthorn have officially applied to have him added.

Though I’m sure plenty of players have been accepted into NGAs in the same year they became draft eligible. In fact I’d guess the majority of those who ended up drafted were.

 

[PenAndPaper]

Without having a law degree to fully comprehend those convoluted rules, it looks like it could potentially be a technicality regarding his age and when Hawthorn have officially applied to have him added.

Though I’m sure plenty of players have been accepted into NGAs in the same year they became draft eligible. In fact I’d guess the majority of those who ended up drafted were.

The secret herbs and spices

 

[mustang]

No actual reason given. Just a line that Hawthorn were told they were unsuccessful.


Classic AFL.

Can we appeal or its final.

 

[The Jet From Poowong]

the 2025 season hasn't yet started and already there is talk of how shoddy the draft is and how the AFL compromises it to suit agendas. It is ridiculous that fans think and talk in this way but you can't blame them.

Today’s announcement is no surprise. It is the AFL way to use any lever possible as an equalisation measure.

The club should tell us what they have been told by the AFL. They owe it to their members

 

[lyger]

Assuming that the application was not based on the culturally diverse criteria, has the AFL basically ruled that Ollie is not indigenous?

 

[hardway]

The criteria and the explanation of why players qualify or not should be transparent and made public.

 

[Ned Ryerson]

Th criteria and the explanation of why players qualify or not should be transparent and made public.

You’d have better odds of developing a cat waterpolo league than you would getting transparency in AFL decision making.

 

[Judd2Sewell]

No Moraes, Tarau and Greaves. Someone at the club needs to take a stand.

 

[Suntory Boss Coffee]

Reading the AFL Rules it seems like he needed to have joined our NGA prior to being 15. Why this decision was made for us but not for Sanders, I don't know.

 

[brad sue well]

Without having a law degree to fully comprehend those convoluted rules, it looks like it could potentially be a technicality regarding his age and when Hawthorn have officially applied to have him added.

Though I’m sure plenty of players have been accepted into NGAs in the same year they became draft eligible. In fact I’d guess the majority of those who ended up drafted were.

Does this place the onus on the club to register prospects at the earliest time. This would mean most will go back to local clubs and be better trained for the greater good of the game. So few would be top 40 draftees. Resource/development heavy, most clubs couldn’t handle the numbers…?

 

[cryptor]

Reading the AFL Rules it seems like he needed to have joined our NGA prior to being 15. Why this decision was made for us but not for Sanders, I don't know.

My understanding is that he counts as a “Qualified NGA Player” by virtue of his Indigenous heritage. Which means his inclusion is based on different age criteria. But you do need to play some snakes and ladders with the references to other rules in the document, and still need the final tick of approval from the AFL GC.

 

[Suntory Boss Coffee]

My understanding is that he counts as a “Qualified NGA Player” by virtue of his Indigenous heritage. Which means his inclusion is based on different age criteria. But you do need to play some snakes and ladders with the references to other rules in the document, and still need the final tick of approval from the AFL GC.

Looking more likely that we were asleep at the wheel prior to him turning 15

 

[DogDaySonny]

Looking more likely that we were asleep at the wheel prior to him turning 15

Did he present as a likely AFL player at 14? If this is the way the AFL is going to do it, then clubs would be stupid to not register any NGA qualified kid who can walk at 14. You never know who will develop how.

 

[The hands of stone]

Tough to swallow when a consistent top side for the past 25 years (Sydney) literally have 4/5th's of their best players and captain made up of former academy kids.

It's a bit disappointing but tough to swallow is a bit of stretch .
Doesn't sound like this was a possibility until fairly recently .

 

[brad sue well]

Did he present as a likely AFL player at 14? If this is the way the AFL is going to do it, then clubs would be stupid to not register any NGA qualified kid who can walk at 14. You never know who will develop how.

Part of my earlier point, the club itself may find it hard to cater for such numbers… ? How invested are the Power to gather and pass on player details who are eligible? Probably not their highest priority?

 

[hardway]

Did he present as a likely AFL player at 14? If this is the way the AFL is going to do it, then clubs would be stupid to not register any NGA qualified kid who can walk at 14. You never know who will develop how.

Not many 14 year olds got much if any exposure to sport in Victoria 3 to 4 years ago.

 

[brad sue well]

Not many 14 year olds got much if any exposure to sport in Victoria 3 to 4 years ago.

Very good point.

 

[cryptor]

Not many 14 year olds got much if any exposure to sport in Victoria 3 to 4 years ago.

Even if they had, the rules on where you could match a bid have changed multiple times during that time alone.

At a certain point any club in that situation might ask itself “why bother putting more resources into improving the development of this kid when we may not have any guarantees of recruiting them”.

 

[extractasam]

Surely just scrap NGA's altogether its a ****ing mess

 

[CaptainWorpedo]

Don’t give up! If it’s just an error in the paper work, the Hawks will re-lodge the paper work.

 

[Hawkspot]

The rules are clear as mud. Gives the AFL an out for no reason, just their discretion.

Either way, I don’t see fighting it being successful at all if the rules leave it up to the league to just make a call based off vibes.

Thankfully, the footy is back so no draft stories matters until October.

 

[extractasam]

The rules are clear as mud. Gives the AFL an out for no reason, just their discretion.

Either way, I don’t see fighting it being successful at all if the rules leave it up to the league to just make a call based off vibes.

Thankfully, the footy is back so no draft stories matters until October.

This is half the issue - they keep kissing their own asses over the fact the comp has never been more even. Reality is that’s all they care about is having all clubs competitive and they’ll do whatever they can to achieve it - regardless of whether it is fair or not.

 

[kazzooka]

This is half the issue - they keep kissing their own asses over the fact the comp has never been more even. Reality is that’s all they care about is having all clubs competitive and they’ll do whatever they can to achieve it - regardless of whether it is fair or not.

AFL don't care about fairness and equal opportunity for all clubs to succeed on merit.

They care about evenness of outcome. They want 18 different premiers every 18 years.

They bring in rules to stop Hawthorn and Collingwood winning. They constantly prop up incompetent clubs with extra picks and compensation rorts to try and force success on the hopeless.

 

[Beandip]

Just go to the media with a story about the AFL making arbitrary determinations on the heritage of kids, or the AFL can resolve the situation by declaring on what grounds the GC rejected

Ball in their court.

 

[Strapping Young Lad]

Looking more likely that we were asleep at the wheel prior to him turning 15

No, he was only made aware of the indigenous background recently.