Roast Our medical staff

[jonbe54]

Surprised no one has blamed Buckley for Treloars hamstring inuries yet.

Only a matter of time considering the number of people with agendas on here.

 

[Vicky Park]

None of us heard the discussion between AT and the medical staff when he came off; saw him getting examined; were privy to the consultation between the medical staff following the injury; have access to AT's medical history and other health and physiological data that the club maintains on players; and most of us are not doctors or physios or sports scientists.

I just cant see how we can judge the performance of the Collingwood medical staff in this instance.

 

[76woodenspooners]

The same ones who let Jamie Elliott cool down after learning up - does hamstring

The same ones who send Wells back on the ground - had done a hamstring

The same ones who rubbed Treloar’s hammy thinking it was grabbed.

Who will be there next victim and then what will be th cost?

What do you suggest Collingwood do?

Whenever a player reports a cramp, they get removed from the field, they get an appointment with a specialist who can refer them for a scan to check if they’re all clear?

You’re expecting an instant perfect diagnosis, and in the absence of obvious trauma (eg: blood nose), medicine just doesn’t work that way.

 

[Magpie Girl]

None of us heard the discussion between AT and the medical staff when he came off; saw him getting examined; were privy to the consultation between the medical staff following the injury; have access to AT's medical history and other health and physiological data that the club maintains on players; and most of us are not doctors or physios or sports scientists.

I just cant see how we can judge the performance of the Collingwood medical staff in this instance.

You’re wasting your breath VP

 

[Maggie5]

None of us heard the discussion between AT and the medical staff when he came off; saw him getting examined; were privy to the consultation between the medical staff following the injury; have access to AT's medical history and other health and physiological data that the club maintains on players; and most of us are not doctors or physios or sports scientists.

I just cant see how we can judge the performance of the Collingwood medical staff in this instance.

I have questioned management by medical staff in the past but in this instance, Treloar himself said he thought it was cramp and because he hasn't had any issues with hamstring wouldn't recognise the pain. I am sure they would check but rely on what they were told.
Further, I have had cramp in the legs and the way he was wiggling his legs is what I have done in the past too.
Not sure any blame can be proportioned in this instance, I agree with you.

 

[jonbe54]

None of us heard the discussion between AT and the medical staff when he came off; saw him getting examined; were privy to the consultation between the medical staff following the injury; have access to AT's medical history and other health and physiological data that the club maintains on players; and most of us are not doctors or physios or sports scientists.

I just cant see how we can judge the performance of the Collingwood medical staff in this instance.

lol vp every piece of bad news can be blamed on the club - according to our resident harpies.

 

[Jasper84]

None of us heard the discussion between AT and the medical staff when he came off; saw him getting examined; were privy to the consultation between the medical staff following the injury; have access to AT's medical history and other health and physiological data that the club maintains on players; and most of us are not doctors or physios or sports scientists.

I just cant see how we can judge the performance of the Collingwood medical staff in this instance.

In my medical opinion, he did have cramps but the medicos were so hell bent on getting him back on the field that they themselves vigorously rubbed the hamstrings right off the bone. If anything, we're lucky that the friction didn't cause Treloar to burst into flames.

 

[JM#1]

Gutted by this. Let's hope this doesn't cause chronic hamstring injuries for the rest of his career.

 

[Saintly Viewed]

None of us heard the discussion between AT and the medical staff when he came off; saw him getting examined; were privy to the consultation between the medical staff following the injury; have access to AT's medical history and other health and physiological data that the club maintains on players; and most of us are not doctors or physios or sports scientists.

I just cant see how we can judge the performance of the Collingwood medical staff in this instance.

It’s bigfooty...

 

[Saintly Viewed]

What do you suggest Collingwood do?

Whenever a player reports a cramp, they get removed from the field, they get an appointment with a specialist who can refer them for a scan to check if they’re all clear?

You’re expecting an instant perfect diagnosis, and in the absence of obvious trauma (eg: blood nose), medicine just doesn’t work that way.

Oh I thought it did.
Silly me.

 

[Vicky Park]

In my medical opinion, he did have cramps but the medicos were so hell bent on getting him back on the field that they themselves vigorously rubbed the hamstrings right off the bone. If anything, we're lucky that the friction didn't cause Treloar to burst into flames.

When I first read this post, I thought it said they vigorously rubbed themselves! Wouldn’t surprise some I guess.

 

[Bad Horse]

None of this would be a problem if we had horses instead of humans. Just saying (or neighing).

 

[76woodenspooners]

None of this would be a problem if we had horses instead of humans. Just saying (or neighing).

If we had horses we’d be putting the curtain up around the horse and the vet would go in and do their thing.

Just sayin’

 

[Bad Horse]

If we had horses we’d be putting the curtain up around the horse before the vet goes in and does their thing.

Just sayin’

 

[davywap]

I love how internet warriors clearly think they know more than highly-paid medical professionals.

 

[Adz]

Is it more the ground?

It cannot be coincidence year after year.

 

[MyManLynch]

Surprised no one has blamed Buckley for Treloars hamstring inuries yet.

Bloody Buckley...that’s it! I’m done !...again.

 

[Saintly Viewed]

Where’s Gimpy to burn his micro waved woodsmen membership pass, then chuck it into the Yarra re

?

 

[left at home]

Where’s Gimpy to burn his micro waved woodsmen membership pass, then chuck it into the Yarra re

?

Trying to get his g bangers back from moe, ah Sgt peppers, the avatar re.

 

[jmac70]

After reading the OP, I think it's fair to say that we all make a few mistakes here and there.

This thread already exists. Merge please.

 

[Saintly Viewed]

Trying to get his g bangers back from moe, ah Sgt peppers, the avatar re.

Greatest album of all time.

Most defining.

Most influential.

Nothing sounds like it.
Perfect art .

 

[left at home]

Greatest album of all time.

Most defining.

Most influential.

Nothing sounds like it.
Perfect art .

It’s in my collection

 

[Swooop]

These injuries are so frustrating and imo have now undermined any real chance for us this year.

I think this has now passed the point of simply being bad luck.

As a simple statistical estimate, I reckon off the top, we have been in the worst 10% of teams for the past four years.

That roughly equates to it being a 1 in 10,000 random chance.

I'm not a mathematician so please correct me if that's wrong.

But what I am is a GP with a long interest in sports Med and an ex footy club doctor in the old Tasmanian Football League for 10 years, back some long years ago.

I have slowly but now definitely come round to thinking there is now, on the balance of probabilities, a close to 100% chance that there is a serious mismanagement of the players medical preparation and management.

Whether that is in the training program or diagnosis or management, as an outsider I wouldn't know.

It's likely to be a bit of all three across the multitude of problems over the years.

My suspicion is that training methods would be the most likely to be the dominant factor, insofar as causing these muscle, ligament and tendon injuries.

Some possible solutions suggested...

I think qualified Sports Med physicians should overview all the training drills and check that there are no unnatural anatomical stresses and strains placed upon the players

I know when I tried to play a bit of amateur footy my only injury ever, was a direct result of a weird ass training exercise we were subjected to!

I don't know the quals of the current and recent club Drs, for all I know maybe they are Sports Med or Orthopeadic specialists but maybe they're not.

Re diagnosis- thinking herebof Treloar especially - the club could surely have a portable Ultrasound machine - this would clearly and quickly have shown the extent of the injury. I can't remember Wells' exact injury but it well have have helped there too.

Staying adequately hydrated during training and game day may also be an area that may reduce injury risk - again I'd have no idea if this is being optimally managed or not.

But overall it's now gone beyond coincidence- this stress injury is amateur hour stuff ( unless it's very early days and they are rightly resting it at the first sign)

Tldr- imho it's not a coincidence and it urgently needs an honest and open overview.

Silver lining - Look out for the Pies next year- all these extra games into guys like Daicos, Sier, Phillips, Mihocek, Stephenson etc will stand us in great stead.

Sorry I may not be available to reply too much, just my two bobs worth

 

[left at home]

The silver lining is the young are getting a taste of it and we’re getting a glimpse of the teams future, and it looks very promising.
We have good amount of talent there, just a good amount of our high end is sitting in the rehab room, which in someway makes next year very promising to continue the upward trend.

 

[Adz]

These injuries are so frustrating and imo have now undermined any real chance for us this year.

I think this has now passed the point of simply being bad luck.

As a simple statistical estimate, I reckon off the top, we have been in the worst 10% of teams for the past four years.

That roughly equates to it being a 1 in 10,000 random chance.

I'm not a mathematician so please correct me if that's wrong.

But what I am is a GP with a long interest in sports Med and an ex footy club doctor in the old Tasmanian Football League for 10 years, back some long years ago.

I have slowly but now definitely come round to thinking there is now, on the balance of probabilities, a close to 100% chance that there is a serious mismanagement of the players medical preparation and management.

Whether that is in the training program or diagnosis or management, as an outsider I wouldn't know.

It's likely to be a bit of all three across the multitude of problems over the years.

My suspicion is that training methods would be the most likely to be the dominant factor, insofar as causing these muscle, ligament and tendon injuries.

Some possible solutions suggested...

I think qualified Sports Med physicians should overview all the training drills and check that there are no unnatural anatomical stresses and strains placed upon the players

I know when I tried to play a bit of amateur footy my only injury ever, was a direct result of a weird ass training exercise we were subjected to!

I don't know the quals of the current and recent club Drs, for all I know maybe they are Sports Med or Orthopeadic specialists but maybe they're not.

Re diagnosis- thinking herebof Treloar especially - the club could surely have a portable Ultrasound machine - this would clearly and quickly have shown the extent of the injury. I can't remember Wells' exact injury but it well have have helped there too.

Staying adequately hydrated during training and game day may also be an area that may reduce injury risk - again I'd have no idea if this is being optimally managed or not.

But overall it's now gone beyond coincidence- this stress injury is amateur hour stuff ( unless it's very early days and they are rightly resting it at the first sign)

Tldr- imho it's not a coincidence and it urgently needs an honest and open overview.

Silver lining - Look out for the Pies next year- all these extra games into guys like Daicos, Sier, Phillips, Mihocek, Stephenson etc will stand us in great stead.

Sorry I may not be available to reply too much, just my two bobs worth

Great post.