Patrick Dangerfield - potential GOAT?

[My Tilly]

Hopefully Danger is outscored by the whole opposition team by 2.7 goals or less in the Grand Final on Saturday. It would be good for him to achieve that in just one Grand Final. That was Dusty's average he was outscored by the whole opposition team across his 3 Grand Finals by the way.

I noticed in Paddy's "was this the greatest final ever played by any player" Preliminary Final he was outscored by 10 goals by the opposition team. Funnily enough, that never happened to Dusty in any of his 10 winning finals. Would be good to see Patrick make some of Dusty's finals feats a little less unique.

Seriously, I've watched footy my entire life and saw countless live performances of Dusty and I never walked away thinking that guy was above everyone else on the footy field.
But at times, when Dangerfield has one of those performances, as he did on the weekend, he just looks a completely different animal.
It's like watching a bully taking out his frustration on the school kids a year or two below him.

The marking threat (something Martin never had), the attack at the footy and that immediate burst of speed. He's now about surpass Dustin Martin and I get the feeling you are hating it.

 

[Meteoric Rise]

Seriously, I've watched footy my entire life and saw countless live performances of Dusty and I never walked away thinking that guy was above everyone else on the footy field.
But at times, when Dangerfield has one of those performances, as he did on the weekend, he just looks a completely different animal.
It's like watching a bully taking out his frustration on the school kids a year or two below him.

The marking threat (something Martin never had), the attack at the footy and that immediate sudden burst of speed.

You are so fortunate then that we have things called statistics that can bring you up to speed. You can also consider the marvel that is optometry to assist you seeing things a bit more clearly.

 

[Chronz]

You are so fortunate then that we have things called statistics that can bring you up to speed. You can also consider the marvel that is optometry to assist you seeing things a bit more clearly.

We can tell you're very worried about Danger being a better player with more longevity and heart than Dusty could ever hope to be.

 

[Chronz]

GAJ is my personal GOAT.

 

[Meteoric Rise]

We can tell you're very worried about Danger being a better player with more longevity and heart than Dusty ever could ever hope to be.

Imagine if Dusty had heart then.

****ing carnage. Well, it was all time carnage in finals as it was. It would have been a football holocaust for 17 other AFL clubs.

 

[Meteoric Rise]

GAJ is my personal GOAT.

Clearly never saw Vic Thorp or Captain Blood Jack Dyer play.

 

[Chronz]

Clearly never saw Vic Thorp or Captain Blood Jack Dyer play.

Ok Methuselah.

 

[Mr Meow]

8We can tell you're very worried about Danger being a better player with more longevity and heart than Dusty could ever hope to be.

He hasn't actually displayed this kind of nervousness in years. It's interesting. Could Dangerfield actually be going better than we thought?

 

[Chronz]

He hasn't actually displayed this kind of nervousness in years. It's interesting. Could Dangerfield actually be going better than we thought?

The more Rusey talks about a non-Richmond player, the more afraid he is of them eclipsing Dusty. Smith, Daicos and Danger are his current fears.

 

[Seeds]

His durability is impressive. No doubt he sits with the elite of the last 15 years but for me prime Fyfe was better. GAJ and buddy also. For me he is just a shade below the absolute cream. I don’t think durability makes up that small gap. Absolute champion player and has been a joy to watch though.

Edit: I’d also add that Dangerfield has never been considered clearly the best player in the game like several others have, while Danger has been playing.

Yeah in 2016 was clearly the best player in the land comfortably.

 

[soafraid]

Have a good feeling Dangerfield is about to play one of the best games of the year on the weekend and in doing so, grasp a Norm Smith Medal.

Would be amazing if he did, but dude it's human after all and 35 years old. If he can produce the same level of intensity he did in the prelim star after only a week's rest it'll be crazy

 

[Seeds]

What would you call it if one single player unified every available title in the one season: Players MVP, Coaches MVP, Brownlow, Player Ratings #1, Gary Ayres Medal, Norm Smith Medal, Premiership?

I wonder if anyone would ever be good enough to sweep the whole lot? If they did, they would have the GOAT season sewn up that is for sure. Has Danger ever done that?

You get you can have goat season and not even play in finals right?

No season comes close to ablett 1993.

 

[Seeds]

Interesting we have a Dangerfield GOAT thread, started in 2016, that is approaching 2000 posts.

Danger will go down as the 3rd or 4th best player since the turn of the century, which is a decent effort.

The Daicos GOAT thread is at about 15000 posts, after less than two seasons...

So franklin, ablett, danger and who is the 4th?

Ps you get there have been lots of danger threads over the years. You also get daicos plays for collingwood and danger doesnt right?

 

[soafraid]

Seriously, I've watched footy my entire life and saw countless live performances of Dusty and I never walked away thinking that guy was above everyone else on the footy field.
But at times, when Dangerfield has one of those performances, as he did on the weekend, he just looks a completely different animal.
It's like watching a bully taking out his frustration on the school kids a year or two below him.

The marking threat (something Martin never had), the attack at the footy and that immediate burst of speed. He's now about surpass Dustin Martin and I get the feeling you are hating it.

Yeah you're wrong there. In Richmond's 3 flags Martin was probably the best finals performer I've ever seen. Stats don't tell the whole story, he just took games away from the opposition.

That said, over his career he wasn't as consistent as danger or as long lasting. But those finals games were special and anyone picking danger over prime Martin for a grand final is insane. We literally saw that matchup already and dusty torched him

 

[Bald]

Bontempelli having that many BOG games at his age and not winning a brownlow is criminal.

 

[Angus Young]

If he puts one on again this week I'm leaning into the yes camp.

 

[Seeds]

Did footy only start in the 70's?

Have you seen footage of a game pre the 70s? The quality of the game is ummm lets just say not great.

 

[iameviljez]

I’d also add that Dangerfield has never been considered clearly the best player in the game like several others have, while Danger has been playing

In 2016 he was head and shoulders above everyone else.

 

[iameviljez]

Have you seen footage of a game pre the 70s? The quality of the game is ummm lets just say not great.

The same is true all the way up until the professional era IMO. Even games like the 1989 GF - as much as it is eminently more watchable than 99.9% of all games that ever came after it - is a few rungs below the modern era for skills... Ablett Sr excepted, of course

That's just life when it's the difference between training for 10 hours/week, vs full-time.

 

[HairyO]

You get you can have goat season and not even play in finals right?

No season comes close to ablett 1993.

Really? You dont even have to look more than a year away.
Dunstall 1992
Lockett 1992

Or if you want to go back a bit further.
Matthews 1977
Hudson 1970

 

[HairyO]

The same is true all the way up until the professional era IMO. Even games like the 1989 GF - as much as it is eminently more watchable than 99.9% of all games that ever came after it - is a few rungs below the modern era for skills... Ablett Sr excepted, of course

That's just life when it's the difference between training for 10 hours/week, vs full-time.

And yet in years gone by players could kick with both feet. Now literally only a handful can do it well. Most players today are athletes, not footballers.

You get you can have goat season and not even play in finals right?

No season comes close to ablett 1993.

Really? You dont even have to look more than a year away.
Dunstall 1992
Lockett 1992

Or if you want to go back a bit further.
Matthews 1977
Hudson 1970

 

[Mr Meow]

4 more Brownlow votes and 35 more coaches votes to go past Ablett Junior in 1st place for those standings.

 

[iameviljez]

And yet in years gone by players could kick with both feet. Now literally only a handful can do it well. Most players today are athletes, not footballers.

The vast majority of the players in the 1990s could not kick even halfway well with both feet. The ones were could, were pretty well-known for it.

In the 90s and early 2000s, you could get away with being a bit of a butcher with the footy. Not anymore.

 

[HairyO]

The vast majority of the players in the 1990s could not kick even halfway well with both feet. The ones were could, were pretty well-known for it.

In the 90s and early 2000s, you could get away with being a bit of a butcher with the footy. Not anymore.

That just isnt true. Watch any game from the 90s and you will see a number of players on both teams kicking with both feet and doing it well.

It isnt practiced anymore. But when I was a kid we certainly did a lot of it at training.

 

[iameviljez]

Really? You dont even have to look more than a year away.
Dunstall 1992
Lockett 1992

Or if you want to go back a bit further.
Matthews 1977
Hudson 1970

I'd have to ask a StKilda supporter, but my understanding is that 1991 was Peak Lockett.

That said, Ablett's 1993 wasn't just special because of the numbers, it was special because the rest of the side was - unlike the other seasons mentioned - playing badly. I can't say whether it was better than the others because I was too young to watch other teams much at the time, but he managed bags of 10, 11 and 14 in losing sides that year.