Patrick Dangerfield - potential GOAT?

[iameviljez]

That just isnt true. Watch any game from the 90s and you will see a number of players on both teams kicking with both feet and doing it well.

It isnt practiced anymore. But when I was a kid we certainly did a lot of it at training.

I'm afraid we'll have to disagree to disagree on that one.

 

[HairyO]

I'd have to ask a StKilda supporter, but my understanding is that 1991 was Peak Lockett.

That said, Ablett's 1993 wasn't just special because of the numbers, it was special because the rest of the side was - unlike the other seasons mentioned - playing badly. I can't say whether it was better than the others because I was too young to watch other teams much at the time, but he managed bags of 10, 11 and 14 in losing sides that year.

Hawks were complete crap after 1991 and it was only Dunstall dragging us every game towards a chance to win.

Lockett's entire Saints career was the same. They were complete shit apart from him. What he did was literally insane.

 

[Seeds]

Really? You dont even have to look more than a year away.
Dunstall 1992
Lockett 1992

Or if you want to go back a bit further.
Matthews 1977
Hudson 1970

Lol Dunstalls 1992 isnt even in the same stratosphere. He just beat up ordinary sides in thumpings. And his stats arent as good anyway.

Lockett 1991 (not 1992) is the other season up with abletts for goat.


Sorry dont know much about the 70s. Im not that old. I just refer to modern times.

 

[HairyO]

Lol Dunstalls 1992 isnt even in the same stratosphere. He just beat up ordinary sides in thumpings. And his stats arent as good anyway.

Lockett 1991 (not 1992) is the other season up with abletts for goat.


Sorry dont know much about the 70s. Im not that old. I just refer to modern times.

Carey in 1996.

BTW in 1992 Dunstall kicked 21 goals in 2 games against Geelong. Is that what you mean by ordinary sides? A team that played in the grand final? He also kicked 12 goals in 2 games against West Coast. The grand final winner.

 

[Seeds]

Hawks were complete crap after 1991 and it was only Dunstall dragging us every game towards a chance to win.

Lockett's entire Saints career was the same. They were complete shit apart from him. What he did was literally insane.

The most goals dunstall kicked in a loss was 7. Nothing like abletts 1993.

His goal average was also nearly 1 goal less per game then ablett.

 

[HairyO]

The most goals dunstall kicked in a loss was 7. Nothing like abletts 1993.

His goal average was also nearly 1 goal less per game then ablett.

He kicked 31 goals in 4 games against the 2 grand finalists.

Maybe him kicking a lot of goals in games we won is why we won.

 

[iameviljez]

Hawks were complete crap after 1991 and it was only Dunstall dragging us every game towards a chance to win.

Made finals for the next three years running.

 

[HairyO]

Made finals for the next three years running.

Yeah, because of Dunstall. He carried us for years after our 80s heroes retired. Look at Lockett at the Saints. They would have lost by 10 goals every single week without him.

 

[Fadge]

So franklin, ablett, danger and who is the 4th?

Ps you get there have been lots of danger threads over the years. You also get daicos plays for collingwood and danger doesnt right?

Tossing up between Danger and Judd for 3rd and 4th.

Reckon an influential Grand Final this year elevates him ahead of Judd.

 

[Fadge]

Have you seen footage of a game pre the 70s? The quality of the game is ummm lets just say not great.

You can only compare them against the players of their era.

 

[Fadge]

4 more Brownlow votes and 35 more coaches votes to go past Ablett Junior in 1st place for those standings.

And if he does it, we all know he'll just be keeping the seat warm for 5 or 6 years...

 

[Mr Meow]

And if he does it, we all know he'll just be keeping the seat warm for 5 or 6 years...

Both Ablett and Dangerfield have an impressive 6 or 7+ BOG performances in finals too. It's a hell of a combination.

 

[Fadge]

Both Ablett and Dangerfield have an impressive 6 or 7+ BOG performances in finals too. It's a hell of a combination.

Indeed it is.

How many of them were in the first 4 years of their respective careers?

 

[Mr Meow]

Indeed it is.

How many of them were in the first 4 years of their respective careers?

1 or 2 for Dangerfield in his first 3 finals series.

3 or 4 for Ablett in his first 3 finals series.

0 or 0 for some other players in their first 3 finals series.

 

[Fadge]

1 or 2 for Dangerfield in his first 3 finals series.

3 or 4 for Ablett in his first 3 finals series.

0 or 0 for some other players in their first 3 finals series.

Disingenuous one at it again.

The question was 'in their first 4 years'.

But understandable, given Daicos has set the bar THAT HIGH...

 

[Meteoric Rise]

You get you can have goat season and not even play in finals right?

No season comes close to ablett 1993.

When he didn't win the Brownlow, Players MVP, Coaches MVP, Player Ratings, Ayres Medal, Norm Smith Medal or the flag you mean?

 

[Meteoric Rise]

Really? You dont even have to look more than a year away.
Dunstall 1992
Lockett 1992

Or if you want to go back a bit further.
Matthews 1977
Hudson 1970

Bob Pratt 1934 kicked 150 goals in 21 matches.

 

[Meteoric Rise]

He hasn't actually displayed this kind of nervousness in years. It's interesting. Could Dangerfield actually be going better than we thought?

Just a question.

Is 2025 an elite season for Dangerfield? I hope so, because otherwise we know from your previous pronouncements on such things it cannot elevate him in any GOAT conversation.

 

[My Tilly]

Hawks were complete crap after 1991 and it was only Dunstall dragging us every game towards a chance to win.

Yes sure . . . Crawford, Jarman, Langford, Platton, Hudson were spuds.

 

[Mr Meow]

Just a question.

Is 2025 an elite season for Dangerfield? I hope so, because otherwise we know from your previous pronouncements on such things it cannot elevate him in any GOAT conversation.

Well as a comparison with a veteran you were familiar with, this season has been better than any of Dusty's 2021-2024.

-60 goals/goal assists. Higher impact than stat padding on a forward flank.
-4x BOG performances against finalists, including in the prelim final
-40+ coaches votes accumulated against the better teams

He's also fighting for votes and stats in the best or 2nd best team in the comp, rather than the dreadful 2021-2024 Richmond sides. He remains one of our most important players in a contending team. Performing extremely well in finals. This does add to his legacy.

 

[Former Decathlete]

Most 3 Brownlow vote games ever

 

[soafraid]

Most 3 Brownlow vote games ever

meaningless stat with the current system. unless you believe matt rowell and paddy cripps just had the 2 best seasons of all time

 

[Bunnings]

meaningless stat with the current system. unless you believe matt rowell and paddy cripps just had the 2 best seasons of all time

That does not make sense at all, it’s a stat and it means what it means lol

 

[Mr Meow]

meaningless stat with the current system. unless you believe matt rowell and paddy cripps just had the 2 best seasons of all time

If the votes were done how they are now between 2012 and 2019, he would have another 30 games with 3 votes.

 

[STPer18]

First ever winner of the GVP.