Patrick Dangerfield - potential GOAT?

[Nebular]

Hird was a Normie in 2000. played a sublime game in the most dominant side that's ever played 12 months of football. and he played a great game in the '93 GF kicking a goal in the 3rd when Essendon needed to make a statement to Carlton's challenge. put the game out of reach, killed Carltons momentum.
in retrospect he shouldnt have played in 2001; but its a Lachie Neale situation where you roll the dice. you want your best player out there. sometimes you win, sometimes you lose.

Dangerfield is of course a fantastic player. but to me he's that one tier down from the absolute greats.

Hird was a great player. Shame about the Shane Charter "supplements" though.

 

[Nebular]

Was very crook and should have been the sub. Wouldn't have played any other week

Crook? Apparently gastro? ...and drinking coffee prior. Not the best medicine for gastro.

 

[Partridge]

This is the Cats and Danger 101. EVERY time he has a poor final (and Dusty handed his arse to him three times head to head so I’ve seen it a lot), the rumours of injury/illness etc… seep out of Sleepy Hollow.

And Chris Scott is just as bad - always throws shade over a poor performance with come cryptic garbage about ‘challenges’ the club faced that he wasn’t going to provide detail on. He did it again in his presser yesterday.

It’s absolutely excuse central down at Geelong any time they lose finals.

And you have no idea how much it shits some Geelong supporters (probably more than people realise) every time they do it.

Here's a new post-match press conference that could be used:

"There are no excuses. They were too good. We were fully prepared but ultimately weren't good enough".

It would be refreshing to hear just once. There's no shame in it, and as much as he was utterly brilliant last week (and he was, for me his best final since 2017), he was just as utterly inept yesterday. Even worse than 2020 if it's possible. That's footy. It happens.

 

[soafraid]

And you have no idea how much it shits some Geelong supporters (probably more than people realise) every time they do it.

Here's a new post-match press conference that could be used:

"There are no excuses. They were too good. We were fully prepared but ultimately weren't good enough".

It would be refreshing to hear just once. There's no shame in it, and as much as he was utterly brilliant last week (and he was, for me his best final since 2017), he was just as utterly inept yesterday. Even worse than 2020 if it's possible. That's footy. It happens.

What do you think of his "we need to celebrate second more" comments during the post game speech?

 

[Partridge]

What do you think of his "we need to celebrate second more" comments during the post game speech?

It takes a lot for me to stomach his press conferences at the best of times. But not in the least bit surprising. We (as in the club) better not start insinuating players were injured or sick or "mystery virus" garbage again, but I'm not holding my breath.

I started tuning out after his "mission accomplished" line and that was a fair while back now.

 

[Wojcinski]

What do you think of his "we need to celebrate second more" comments during the post game speech?

Can you give me a timestamp to where Scott said that?

 

[soafraid]

Can you give me a timestamp to where Scott said that?

Quote from danger, not scott

 

[soafraid]

It takes a lot for me to stomach his press conferences at the best of times. But not in the least bit surprising. We (as in the club) better not start insinuating players were injured or sick or "mystery virus" garbage again, but I'm not holding my breath.

I started tuning out after his "mission accomplished" line and that was a fair while back now.

Fair enough. I think there's a time and a place and while only one team can win the flag each year, it was still a good season. But that's probably something you talk about in a couple of weeks when you do the review, not on the ground 10 minutes post siren. Just seems like you don't care all that much.

Can't imagine Selwood saying the same thing.

 

[Wojcinski]

Quote from danger, not scott

Danger said "To our guys, we don't celebrate second place but there is plenty to be proud of" which is very different to what you're saying and seems a reasonable thing for a captain to say to his team that has just lost a GF

 

[soafraid]

Danger said "To our guys, we don't celebrate second place but there is plenty to be proud of" which is very different to what you're saying and seems a reasonable thing for a captain to say to his team that has just lost a GF

Thats not the quote either, although I admit I did get it wrong. It was something like we don't as Australia's celebrate coming second all that well.

 

[Meteoric Rise]

It continues to amaze me how people are so binary about Norm Smith Medal winners.

Dangerfield's 2022 Grand Final was better than WAshcroft's 2024 and 2025, and also Martin's 2017 and 2019.

According to well known Dusty downgrader Fadge:

Dangerfield's 2022 Grand Final was better than Dusty's 2017 and 2019 Grand Finals and better than Washcroft's 2024 & 2025 Grand Finals....for the true picture:

Dusty 2017 13 Norm Smith Medal votes, 30.2 player rating, 8 coaches votes

Dusty 2019 15 Norm Smith Medal votes, 22.9 player rating, 10 coaches votes

Dangerfield 2022 10 Norm Smith Medal votes, 22.0 player rating, 8 coaches votes.

Washcroft 2024 14 Norm Smith Medal votes, 19.3 player rating, 9 coaches votes

Washcroft 2025 13 Norm Smith Medal votes, 20.6 player rating, ? coaches votes.

 

[ShereKhan]

Was very crook and should have been the sub. Wouldn't have played any other week

Cats fans do him zero favours by alluding to injury/illness every time he plays like a busted in a final. Happened in the 2019 PF, happened in the 2020 GF, happened in the 2021 PF.

Neale played 3-weeks after a torn calf and Dunkley played with a grade-3 syndesmosis strain that’s normally 6-8 weeks.

Danger wouldn’t want excuses made for him, so not sure why supporters and his coach feel the need. He played like a busted. It happens…. and for Danger on the big stage it happens a bit too often to be ranked with the absolute top echelon. But he’s on the next rung down, no doubt.

 

[Fadge]

According to well known Dusty downgrader Fadge:

Dangerfield's 2022 Grand Final was better than Dusty's 2017 and 2019 Grand Finals and better than Washcroft's 2024 & 2025 Grand Finals....for the true picture:

Dusty 2017 13 Norm Smith Medal votes, 30.2 player rating, 8 coaches votes

Dusty 2019 15 Norm Smith Medal votes, 22.9 player rating, 10 coaches votes

Dangerfield 2022 10 Norm Smith Medal votes, 22.0 player rating, 8 coaches votes.

Washcroft 2024 14 Norm Smith Medal votes, 19.3 player rating, 9 coaches votes

Washcroft 2025 13 Norm Smith Medal votes, 20.6 player rating, ? coaches votes.

Your point?

 

[Meteoric Rise]

Your point?

That your post was talking absolute shyte as per usual.

 

[Fadge]

That your post was talking absolute shyte as per usual.

Despite none of what you posted disproving my comment.

 

[Meteoric Rise]

Despite none of what you posted disproving my comment.

"Dangerfield's 2022 Grand Final was better than Washcroft's 2024 and 2025, and also Martin's 2017 and 2019."

This comment doesn't need to be disproven. It is you who needs to prove it against the key subjective and objective evidence that says otherwise.

 

[DearJai]

It continues to amaze me how people are so binary about Norm Smith Medal winners.

Dangerfield's 2022 Grand Final was better than WAshcroft's 2024 and 2025, and also Martin's 2017 and 2019.

I'll give you great credit for introducing the term non-binary into the discussion about Norm Smith judging.

But you're trolling a football discussion. Again.

Take it to the bay stinky

 

[Rotayjay]

One bad grand final shouldn't severely tarnish Dangerfield's legacy, particularly at his age and he played very well in a prelim this year.

 

[Daka]

One bad grand final shouldn't severely tarnish Dangerfield's legacy, particularly at his age and he played very well in a prelim this year.

It's not one bad Grand Final. it's two he is the captain meant be leading from the front.

It doesn't tarnish his legacy in terms of being a great of the game but he is not in the GOAT discussion. which is what some ppl were pushing.

He played a great prelim but didn't back it up, the job wasn't done.

 

[RCAB]

One bad grand final shouldn't severely tarnish Dangerfield's legacy, particularly at his age and he played very well in a prelim this year.

One? Two bad grand finals.

Also Dunkley played with an injured ankle and still performed when it mattered.

 

[My Tilly]

It's not one bad Grand Final. it's two he is the captain meant be leading from the front.

It doesn't tarnish his legacy in terms of being a great of the game but he is not in the GOAT discussion. which is what some ppl were pushing.

He played a great prelim but didn't back it up, the job wasn't done.

Are there really people suggesting he is in the GOAT conversation though?
I think they are pushing for the best of his generation.

He's always been a level below the all-time champions of the game.

 

[Daka]

Are there really people suggesting he is in the GOAT conversation though?
I think they are pushing for the best of his generation.

He's always been a level below the all-time champions of the game.

Kane Cornes was saying during the week he should be a "Legend" in the Hall of Fame lol

 

[Ian Dunross]

Fluffed his lines and tarnished his otherwise stellar reputation. Still one of the greats but absolutely anonymous yesterday on the biggest stage.

 

[Aristotle Pickett the3rd]

He was injured or had gastro so I don't judge him on that performance.

 

[Tonythetiger]

Kane Cornes was saying during the week he should be a "Legend" in the Hall of Fame lol

Any chance I get to discuss the AFL legends wing I'll take it. From this era, Buddy and GAJ get in. There's this step down to guys like Danger, Dusty, Fyfe, Judd where if one of them where to get in, there's a case to be made for all of them. All Hall of Famers, yes, Legends? Probably not. Of them though I the Dusty is a small small chance. That's obviously with a Richmond bias though.

Fwiw, I don't think Danger gets in. He would need to go into coaching and win a couple of flag to have a really compelling case to get in.