Pick your all-time Australia v England Ashes line-up.

[Jascave]

With the Ashes series on the horizon, why not name an all-time Australian team to take on the best England has ever produced, in a 'dream' Ashes series.

The teams are:

AUSTRALIA

1. Bill Ponsford
2. Arthur Morris
3. Sir Donald Bradman (c)
4. Allan Border
5. Greg Chappell
6. Steve Waugh
7. Adam Gilchrist (wk)
8. Shane Warne
9. Dennis Lillee
10. Jeff Thomson
11. Glenn McGrath

12. Richie Benaud


ENGLAND

1. Len Hutton (c)
2. Jack Hobbs
3. Kevin Pietersen
4. David Gower
5. Mike Gatting
6. Ian Botham
7. Alan Knott (wk)
8. Derek Underwood
9. James Anderson
10. Harold Larwood
11. John Snow

12. Tony Greig


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[Art Vandelay_]

Gooch over KP for me. Elevated himself against the mighty Windies side which deserves respect.

 

[eth-dog]

Australia:

Lawry
Simpson
Bradman
Ponting
G Chappell
Border (c)
Gilchrist (+)
Miller
Warne
Lillee
McGrath

12th: S Waugh

England:

Hobbs (c)
Sutcliffe
Hammond
Paynter
Barrington
Compton
Knott (+)
Larwood
Trueman
Laker
Barnes

12th: Hutton

 

[Hamingja]

Where are they playing, Australia or England.

 

[74561347]

AUSTRALIA

1. Rob Quiney
2. Shane Watson (c)
3. Alex Doolan
4. Callum Ferguson
5. Mitch Marsh
6. Shaun Young
7. Matthew Wade (wk)
8. Bryce McGain
9. Jason Krejza
10. Joe Mennie
11. Scott Muller

12 man. Brad Williams

ENGLAND

1. Any English cricketer from 1989 to 2003
2. Any English cricketer from 1989 to 2003
3. Any English cricketer from 1989 to 2003
4. Any English cricketer from 1989 to 2003
5. Any English cricketer from 1989 to 2003
6. Any English cricketer from 1989 to 2003
7. Any English cricketer from 1989 to 2003
8. Any English cricketer from 1989 to 2003
9. Any English cricketer from 1989 to 2003
10. Any English cricketer from 1989 to 2003
11. Any English cricketer from 1989 to 2003

12th man. Ronnie Irani

 

[PhatBoy]

Gooch over KP for me. Elevated himself against the mighty Windies side which deserves respect.

Harsh on KP.

He acquitted himself against the best teams of his generation. None were as good as the windies but he still tamed some good sides in just about all conditions. Gooch averaged 44 against the windies too - a great effort but not superhuman.

 

[Art Vandelay_]

Harsh on KP.

He acquitted himself against the best teams of his generation. None were as good as the windies but he still tamed some good sides in just about all conditions. Gooch averaged 44 against the windies too - a great effort but not superhuman.

Started in the pre-helmet era. Small bats, boundaries to the fence, pitches not as flat.
It's a reason previous generations should be marked up, it was harder to play than now, it's also the same reason I laugh at the thread asking where Warner is amongst the "great openers"... Nowhere ******* near it.

 

[PhatBoy]

Started in the pre-helmet era. Small bats, boundaries to the fence, pitches not as flat.
It's a reason previous generations should be marked up, it was harder to play than now, it's also the same reason I laugh at the thread asking where Warner is amongst the "great openers"... Nowhere ******* near it.

Granted, I’m not saying Gooch wasn’t a gun, but Pietersen has won his side series’ in India, Australia, Sri Lanka etc. he’s played some of the greatest match winning innings of the last decade. He’s got serious credentials.

 

[Jascave]

When picking the England team to take on Australia, I gave some thought to a little-known Northamptonshire player called David Steele.

'David who?', you might ask.

When England was soundly beaten in the first test of the 1975 Ashes series which resulted in the late Mike Denness tendering his resignation as England skipper after putting Australia into bat but ended up seeing England lose by a big margin, his replacement, the late Tony Grieg, chose Steele to bat at no.3 against Dennis Lillee and Jeff Thomson in the 2nd Test at Lord's.

The English tabloids called Steele, 'the bank clerk who went to war.'

Steele made 50 and 45 in his first test, and ended up making 365 runs at an average of 60.83. Steele was named the 1975 BBC Sports Personality of the Year.


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[The Speaker]

I think you raise an important point - the best Ashes team is not necesarily going to be the same as the best ever team from Australia and England. Some players played out of their skin during Ashes series in a way they never matched in other series, some are uniquely suited to Australian or English conditions in a way that their countrymen are not.

 

[Jascave]

I think you raise an important point - the best Ashes team is not necesarily going to be the same as the best ever team from Australia and England. Some players played out of their skin during Ashes series in a way they never matched in other series, some are uniquely suited to Australian or English conditions in a way that their countrymen are not.

The interesting thing about David Steele is after he played for England in the 1976 home series against the West Indies (the one where the late Tony Grieg said prior to the series he would make the West Indies 'grovel', which the Windies used as motivation to beat England badly), he was then discarded by the selectors and never again was seen in a England cap.


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[SouthSwans]

That I've seen...

AUSTRALIA
1. Justin Langer
2. Matthew Hayden
3. Ricky Ponting
4. Mark Waugh
5. Steve Waugh*
6. Steve Smith
7. Adam Gilchrist+
8. Mitchell Johnson
9. Mitchell Starc
10. Shane Warne
11. Glenn McGrath
Rest of squad: Damien Martyn, Michael Clarke, Jason Gillespie, Brett Lee.

ENGLAND
1. Alastair Cook
2. Andrew Strauss
3. Michael Vaughan
4. Joe Root
5. Kevin Pietersen
6. Jonny Bairstow+
7. Ben Stokes
8. Andrew Flintoff
9. Moeen Ali
10. Darren Gough
11. James Anderson
Rest of squad: Marcus Trescothick, Graeme Swann, Stuart Broad, Matthew Hoggard.

 

[Plugger46]

AUSTRALIA
1. Dustin Martin
2. Matthew Hayden
3. Ricky Ponting
4. David Boon
5. Steve Waugh*
6. Mike Hussey
7. Adam Gilchrist+
8. Mitchell Johnson
9. Brett Lee
10. Shane Warne
11. Glenn McGrath

ENGLAND
1. Alastair Cook
2. Andrew Strauss *
3. Michael Vaughan
4. Joe Root
5. Kevin Pietersen
6. Alec Stewart+
7. Ben Stokes
8. Andrew Flintoff
9. Grahame Swann
10. Darren Gough
11. James Anderson

 

[PhatBoy]

That I've seen...

AUSTRALIA
1. Justin Langer
2. Matthew Hayden
3. Ricky Ponting
4. Mark Waugh
5. Steve Waugh*
6. Steve Smith
7. Adam Gilchrist+
8. Mitchell Johnson
9. Mitchell Starc
10. Shane Warne
11. Glenn McGrath
Rest of squad: Damien Martyn, Michael Clarke, Jason Gillespie, Brett Lee.

ENGLAND
1. Alastair Cook
2. Andrew Strauss
3. Michael Vaughan
4. Joe Root
5. Kevin Pietersen
6. Jonny Bairstow+
7. Ben Stokes
8. Andrew Flintoff
9. Moeen Ali
10. Darren Gough
11. James Anderson
Rest of squad: Marcus Trescothick, Graeme Swann, Stuart Broad, Matthew Hoggard.

Starc has averaged over 30 in his only two Ashes series. Seems a generous selection ahead of guys like Gillespie (20, 15, 34, 24, 100)

Johnson also only averaged less than 30 in one of his 4.

 

[Cotchin 9]

AUSTRALIA

1. Rob Quiney
2. Shane Watson (c)
3. Alex Doolan
4. Callum Ferguson
5. Mitch Marsh
6. Shaun Young
7. Matthew Wade (wk)
8. Bryce McGain
9. Jason Krejza
10. Joe Mennie
11. Scott Muller

12 man. Brad Williams

ENGLAND

1. Any English cricketer from 1989 to 2003
2. Any English cricketer from 1989 to 2003
3. Any English cricketer from 1989 to 2003
4. Any English cricketer from 1989 to 2003
5. Any English cricketer from 1989 to 2003
6. Any English cricketer from 1989 to 2003
7. Any English cricketer from 1989 to 2003
8. Any English cricketer from 1989 to 2003
9. Any English cricketer from 1989 to 2003
10. Any English cricketer from 1989 to 2003
11. Any English cricketer from 1989 to 2003

12th man. Ronnie Irani

1. Marcus Trescothick
2. Mark Butcher
3. Robert Key
4. John Crawley
5. Mark Ramprakash
6. Ronald Irani
7. Chris Read +
8. Craig White
9. Richard Dawson
10. Alex Tudor
11. Chris Tremlett

 

[Yellowperil]

10. Alex Tudor

I still remember that Brett Lee ball that cracked him in the head. I thought he was going to die on the pitch. The poor guy's leg was twitching like he was having a seizure.

 

[74561347]

I still remember that Brett Lee ball that cracked him in the head. I thought he was going to die on the pitch. The poor guy's leg was twitching like he was having a seizure.

remember this one when he hit chanderpaul? i actually thought he had killed him

 

[Walt Kowalski]

Morris
Trumper
Bradman
Chappell
Miller
McCabe
Gilchrist +
Warne
Lillee
OReilly
McGrath

Hobbs
Hutton
Hammond
May
Compton
Botham
Knott +
Rhodes
Larwood
Trueman
Laker

 

[Wolfs]

I'll go with teams that I was alive to see

England:

Alastair Cook
Andrew Strauss
Michael Vaughan (C) - As much as I find him to be a knob
Joe Root
Kevin Pietersen
Alec Stewart (WK)
Ben Stokes
Stuart Broad
Graeme Swann
Steve Harmison
James Anderson


Australia

Matthew Hayden
Justin Langer
Ricky Ponting
Steve Smith
Steve Waugh (C)
Mike Hussey
Adam Gilchrist (WK)
Mitchell Johnson
Shane Warne
Jason Gillespie
Glenn McGrath

 

[Wallaby]

Australia

Simpson
Murdoch
Oooh, ah - can't think of anyone
Ponting
Chappell G
Hill
Gilchrist
Davidson
Warne
Lillee
Spofforth

England

Hobbs
Hutton
Hammond
Barrington
Grace
Botham
Knott
Barnes
Bedser
Larwood
Verity

 

[Cainozz]

Modern Day - My Two XI's that I can remember watching 2005 series onwards:

Australia:
1. J.Langer
2. M.Hayden - JL & Haydos, the ultimate opening duo
3. R.Ponting (c) - Captain tough
4. M.Hussey - Mr.Cricket, always a saviour in the Ashes
5. M.Clarke - Never really shone in the Ashes but scored a lot of runs at his best position, No.5
6. S.Smith - Modern day great who would be handy at No.6 in this team
7. A.Gilchrist (wk) - 06/07 form
8. M.Johnson - Johnson 13/14 form
9. S.Warne - The King
10. B.Lee - Lethal Binga at his fastest 05,06/07
11. G.McGrath - Lucky to witness his twilight years

v

England

1. A.Strauss
2. A.Cook - Cook & Strauss were a solid opening partnership, destroyed us in 10/11
3. M.Vaughan (c) - Led his side to a historic 05 ashes
4. K.Pietersen - Always played well against us
5. P.Collingwood - Toss up between Bell, Trott & Collingwood, probably had more mental toughness than Bell.
6. J.Root - Another young modern day great who you know will cause us headaches in the future.
7. M.Prior (wk) - Prior had a great series against us in 10/11 but it was a toss up between him and Bairstow.
8. A.Flintoff - 2005 form
9. S.Broad - When he's fired up, he's scary good
10. G.Swann - England's best spinner in the last 20 years
11. J.Anderson - Leading wicket taker, deadly in English conditions

 

[WoodyPecker]

Australia:
Harold Sullivan
Tom Gregson
Jack Marsh
Steven Cooper
Bill Terrance
John Rakefield
Ed Peters
George Tudor
Michael Proctor
Sam Blythe
David Slater

 

[freddy mercury]

You can’t pick a side with M.Hussey.

 

[2notepockets]

You can’t pick a side with M.Hussey.

you mean without? averaged 60 in ashes tests, Ryan Harris took nearly 60 ashes wickets at 20 as well...

 

[Power Raid]

remember this one when he hit chanderpaul? i actually thought he had killed him

to bat on, is both brave and crazy. the dressing rooms should have made the call.