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Fogarty super talented? Your kidding aren’t ya.
Players who need to have big seasons in 2021
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Might be that Richmond see the key stat for Tom is as they have nearly stated. That is, the number of opposition players that are neutralized each time Tom contests. Say this is two defenders and one onballer. Tom would meet his indicator with Rioli the player to lift in the area of hitting the scoreboard. This assumes that Castagna's role is primarily forward defensive.
My observation on Dan is that he has a developed a centre of balance problem - slips a bit more than in previous years and hesitates more often as a result. I have strong memories of Dan being instinctive and with clean pick up and disposal. Balance could be affected by surface conditions but more likely foot or footwear issue. Some psychological (confidence) adjustments also come into play. Some things to work on over the preseason.
One of Mitch Lewis, Jon Patton or Tim O'Brien needs to stand up in a major way to become a consistent key forward at Hawthorn. I think time might be up with O'Brien (although he gives more glimpses than the other two) but we are crying out for some physical presence in our forward 50.
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You can't be serious with Dahlhaus. He plays his role week-in-week-out
He started excellently with Geelong but he's definitely dropped away as time has progressed. He's failed for them in finals (along with some others) but has shown previously that he can deliver in big games, just needs to find that extra level again. Needs some consistency because he can be huge for Geelong
Agree with most - Zorko finished 5th in b and f in a top 4 side. He is going ok.
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You have basically picked one of the best players from each team to step up. Takes more than a superstar to win games my friend.
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We have a few and I interpret need as list spot is in jeopardy if improvement isn’t evident:
McGovern is a talented flash in the pan who doesn’t seem to work hard enough
Dow has fallen off the pace and doesn’t seem to run both ways
O’Brien is a good prospect who seems to be falling on the depth chart and struggling for opportunity
Kennedy has been rookied out of convenience and seems to be between positions, mid or forward, needs to find a home.
There are others who need to lift for different reasons: Charlie Curnow, Silvagni, SPS, Harry, Eddie but their spots are not at risk.
McGovern is a talented flash in the pan who doesn’t seem to work hard enough
Dow has fallen off the pace and doesn’t seem to run both ways
O’Brien is a good prospect who seems to be falling on the depth chart and struggling for opportunity
Kennedy has been rookied out of convenience and seems to be between positions, mid or forward, needs to find a home.
There are others who need to lift for different reasons: Charlie Curnow, Silvagni, SPS, Harry, Eddie but their spots are not at risk.
Didn't realise Chayce Jones, Scully, Ziebell, Bailey Dale, Rioli, Stringer, Hipwood, Sidebottom, Billings, Ben Brown were the best players in their teams.
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I just hope Treloar has a brilliant year
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Most would be regarded as ONE OF the best though.
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Todd Marshall
Needs to resume his from that he had early in the year before he broke his finger, otherwise Georgiardis will take his spot.
Connor Rozee
Next he’ll be moved out of the forward pocket and played as a high half forward/midfielder and needs too show what he can do
Needs to resume his from that he had early in the year before he broke his finger, otherwise Georgiardis will take his spot.
Connor Rozee
Next he’ll be moved out of the forward pocket and played as a high half forward/midfielder and needs too show what he can do
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Rozee does need to have a big season but his lack of form wasn’t his fault, he was being played in the forward pocket to hide his ankle injury when he isn’t even a forward pocket and his injury hampered his running ability.
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Marshall is the big one for me if he doesn’t show up he will find himself out of the side and on the trade table. Your right about rozee he was hidden in the forward pocket and had no running ability because of his ankle.
Finished top 3 in Freo's B&F in each of his 3 seasons there (including winning one), but didn't come top 10 for us this year and his numbers were well down.
Definitely needs to lift in 2021.
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In fairness at least when he is on the grass he plays well.
I can see Collier-Dawkins getting delisted without a game.
For hawks I'd say Lewis. Our list is ******* dog crap though so alot need to lift or they'll get north melbourne treatment
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There's plenty at the Eagles which is to be expected after two underwhelming years post flag.
Jarrod Brander's future as an Eagle is probably on the line in 2021. I'm almost certain he'd get a second shot at another club because the raw potential is there but I think we'd look to cut our losses if he has a poor year (we'd get significantly less than his #13 draft position if we were to trade him).
Playing for their careers in the AFL are Brandon Ah Chee and Brayden Ainsworth. I can't see either of these guys getting picked up by another club if we cut them (Ainsworth still hasn't got a contract for 2021 so might not even get that far). Another who should be playing for his career is Jack Petruccelle but he has the luxury of a contract till 2023. Regardless, he is going to have to crack into the best 22 soon or I don't see it happening. To be honest, I'll be surprised if there is much more top level football in either of those three - Petch is maybe an outside chance to forge a lengthy AFL career. Neither of them are quite there really.
Young guys ready to step up to a medium level of seniority - Jake Waterman and Oscar Allen. Neither are in even the remotest danger of being shown the door so it's not "need a big year" in that sense, but they both probably lose the tag "he's young and brings a lot of energy, enthusiasm and potential to the team" in 2021. If they don't lose that tag in 2021, they certainly do for 2022. Barring injury or dramatic form loss, both should be 200-gamers for us, but the next couple of years will determine if those games are at a Justin Koschitzke level (solid contributors) or a Josh Kennedy level (elite footballers). My likely scenario is Waterman finishing somewhere pretty close to the middle of the two JK's but I think Allen can go all the way and be an AA level key forward.
Older guys who may get retired earlier than they hoped - Jack Redden and Mark Hutchings. Both played significant roles in 2018. Hutchings has been delisted and re-rookied so it's obvious his career is on it's last legs. Redden is still a contributor, but at 29 his output has dropped down quite a lot - even taking into account reduced quarters - and he's now clearly at best our #6 midfielder and a long way shy our fifth best (Sheed). That trend is only likely to go in a downwards direction. He is out of contract at the end of next year, has never been a top tier player that the club might feel it owes something to (we probably would if, say, Shuey was in the same position) and it's hard to see the club seeing any value in having a depth midfielder who turns 31 coming into the 2022 season. Could go down the Hutchings delisting/re-rookie path this time next year.
Jarrod Brander's future as an Eagle is probably on the line in 2021. I'm almost certain he'd get a second shot at another club because the raw potential is there but I think we'd look to cut our losses if he has a poor year (we'd get significantly less than his #13 draft position if we were to trade him).
Playing for their careers in the AFL are Brandon Ah Chee and Brayden Ainsworth. I can't see either of these guys getting picked up by another club if we cut them (Ainsworth still hasn't got a contract for 2021 so might not even get that far). Another who should be playing for his career is Jack Petruccelle but he has the luxury of a contract till 2023. Regardless, he is going to have to crack into the best 22 soon or I don't see it happening. To be honest, I'll be surprised if there is much more top level football in either of those three - Petch is maybe an outside chance to forge a lengthy AFL career. Neither of them are quite there really.
Young guys ready to step up to a medium level of seniority - Jake Waterman and Oscar Allen. Neither are in even the remotest danger of being shown the door so it's not "need a big year" in that sense, but they both probably lose the tag "he's young and brings a lot of energy, enthusiasm and potential to the team" in 2021. If they don't lose that tag in 2021, they certainly do for 2022. Barring injury or dramatic form loss, both should be 200-gamers for us, but the next couple of years will determine if those games are at a Justin Koschitzke level (solid contributors) or a Josh Kennedy level (elite footballers). My likely scenario is Waterman finishing somewhere pretty close to the middle of the two JK's but I think Allen can go all the way and be an AA level key forward.
Older guys who may get retired earlier than they hoped - Jack Redden and Mark Hutchings. Both played significant roles in 2018. Hutchings has been delisted and re-rookied so it's obvious his career is on it's last legs. Redden is still a contributor, but at 29 his output has dropped down quite a lot - even taking into account reduced quarters - and he's now clearly at best our #6 midfielder and a long way shy our fifth best (Sheed). That trend is only likely to go in a downwards direction. He is out of contract at the end of next year, has never been a top tier player that the club might feel it owes something to (we probably would if, say, Shuey was in the same position) and it's hard to see the club seeing any value in having a depth midfielder who turns 31 coming into the 2022 season. Could go down the Hutchings delisting/re-rookie path this time next year.
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On top of the above, there are three players who didn't play in 2020 that are at a crossroads. Nathan Vardy (29 and a bad run with injuries), Daniel Venables (21 and a bad run with injuries) and Willie Rioli (25 and currently suspended). At this stage, Vardy is long odds to be retained beyond 2021 but the low number of ruckman on our list may save him. Unlikely to play unless there is a couple of injuries. Venables is well talented, but at some point will need to get on the park - just six games since the 2018 grand final. Rioli is obviously well in the clubs plans and is contracted to 2022, but his future is completely dependant on what happens with ASADA.
Todd Marshall - needs to be far more physical and inject himself longer in games
Steve Motlop - lots of competition for small impact forwards at Port
Orazio Fantastia - port got the trade done. Pressure to get body right and be consistent. Same competition with Motlop, Woodcock, Farrell, Williams, etc
Pete Ladhams - Hayes nearly ready for AFL football and a talent
Ollie Wines - got the big contract. Time to show consistency
Steve Motlop - lots of competition for small impact forwards at Port
Orazio Fantastia - port got the trade done. Pressure to get body right and be consistent. Same competition with Motlop, Woodcock, Farrell, Williams, etc
Pete Ladhams - Hayes nearly ready for AFL football and a talent
Ollie Wines - got the big contract. Time to show consistency
Has he ever been brilliant? Sorry, but I just can’t see a player with 2 dodgy hamstrings suddenly producing a “brilliant“ year.
Daniel Rioli gets my nod.
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No not really. He did however do a "brilliant" kick to Gloves McGovern with a few minutes to go in the 18 GF that "brilliantly rebounded" to the other end to Sheed . I hope he has a brilliant year not that he has prior, but more to rub some salt into the Pies for being douchebags in how they treated him.
Not sure what to make of Daniel Rioli, seems like he plenty of talent, but certainly does not have that X Factor that Cyril and Willie posses. I think he lives in a pretty big shadow considering his last name.
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Have to disagree with regarding Brander. He is a future gun, Key Position players tend to take a bit longer to get up and going. There are exceptions ( Oscar Allen for example) but most key position players tend to take a bit. He was recruited as a key forward . I think Brander has a lot of upside and is taking a little long, but I don't think he is in the most danger of losing his spot if he does not have a blinder of year. I think Cole, Nelson, Ah Chee, Hutchings (unless they use him primarily as a tagger then he is already elite) , Redden and Petch are in more danger than Brander. Your right about Waterman and Oscar. Oscar is future captain material and Waterman will have Lecca like numbers by the time he is done.
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