Draft Expert PMBangers' 2021 Draft Board - Come for the R1 phantom (post #1591), stay for the Simpsons references

[Thunderstruck]

Geez I'd have him a fair bit ahead of George personally.

It's more style. He's definitely a better footballer no questions.

 

[Swiggy]

Is Jordan Lukac a chance to get picked up?

 

[PMBangers]

Is Jordan Lukac a chance to get picked up?

Should get looked at for sure, he's shown some good flashes in every game I've watched of his and was SA's best ruck in the games v WA

 

[PMBangers]

Really? I would've thought JVR was slightly more athletic through this is basesd solely on eyes in game rather than proper testing. JVR seemed to beat him for pace in that WAFL final. Granted it's hard when you're a defender but seemed liked JVR had too much for him on the lead. Was impressed with his work rate in unhonoured leads.

huh? JVR was blanketed with his leading when Bazzo was moved to be responsible for him. Obviously we'd have to wait for the testing results to see who's truly more athletic but just in game style, JVR relies more on his repeat leading efforts and patterns to get separation on the lead as a forward, I think his tendency to try and engage in a grappling contest with his opponent and then shove off them shows even he understands his limitations for speed, whereas Bazzo looks more comfortable and able to beat most of his opponents purely with his speed

 

[eDPS]

I’m with pulpdriver on this one

 

[PMBangers]

Good opportunity to point out a guy I think is being severely underrated in draft discussions around the place with VIC footy halting. Rewatching some more vic footy over the last few weeks (for player profiles for the AFL Draft Central Draft Guide, keep your eyes open in the coming weeks) and he's one I think might be a smokey for the top 30, genuinely versatile to a high level, speedy and most importantly one of the best kicks in the draft class, keep an eye to see if he 'rises' in the next month

 

[Smythe]

Good opportunity to point out a guy I think is being severely underrated in draft discussions around the place with VIC footy halting. Rewatching some more vic footy over the last few weeks (for player profiles for the AFL Draft Central Draft Guide, keep your eyes open in the coming weeks) and he's one I think might be a smokey for the top 30, genuinely versatile to a high level, speedy and most importantly one of the best kicks in the draft class, keep an eye to see if he 'rises' in the next month

Guess I should have known that I wasn’t going to be the only one with him in a ‘Smokey’ list

 

[PMBangers]

Guess I should have known that I wasn’t going to be the only one with him in a ‘Smokey’ list

As I hoover footage I'm adding about 6 guys per day to my 'smokey list' tbf

Gotta say though, watching NAB League and Metro v Country games again I wouldn't be shocked if a lot of these SA and WA guys that have 'risen' later in the year still dont get taken til the 40's, a lot of forgotten quality in vic

 

[Smythe]

As I hoover footage I'm adding about 6 guys per day to my 'smokey list' tbf

Gotta say though, watching NAB League and Metro v Country games again I wouldn't be shocked if a lot of these SA and WA guys that have 'risen' later in the year still dont get taken til the 40's, a lot of forgotten quality in vic

Agreed

 

[RedmanWasHere]

I do wonder if, every year, there are the top sorts who are talked about constantly but, for some reason. flavour of the month types and "bolters" get preferred thus giving us the impression that the start of the year types who get forgotten about (or get lost in the shuffle) are, themselves, "bolters" by perception.

In 2017 for instance, that seemed to be Hunter Clark

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Hunter Clark

Age

25

Ht

186cm

Wt

83kg

Pos.

Mid

Career

Season

Last 5

D

17.5

4star

K

9.5

4star

HB

8.0

5star

M

3.6

4star

T

2.9

4star

CL

1.3

3star

D

16.0

4star

K

9.6

4star

HB

6.4

4star

M

3.1

3star

T

2.9

4star

CL

1.9

4star

D

13.2

4star

K

6.6

3star

HB

6.6

4star

M

2.2

3star

T

2.0

4star

CL

0.0

1star

and Brandon Starcevich

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Brandon Starcevich

Age

24

Ht

187cm

Wt

90kg

Pos.

Def

Career

Season

Last 5

D

9.2

2star

K

6.5

3star

HB

2.6

2star

M

2.8

3star

T

2.0

4star

MG

185.3

3star

D

9.5

2star

K

7.3

3star

HB

2.3

2star

M

3.6

4star

T

2.1

3star

MG

187.9

3star

D

8.6

3star

K

5.4

2star

HB

3.2

3star

M

1.4

2star

T

1.8

4star

MG

181.2

3star

for me.

 

[Swiggy]

Hey mate where do you rank josh Cripps?

 

[PMBangers]

Hey mate where do you rank josh Cripps?

I wouldn't take him in the National Draft personally

 

[Eastcoasteagle]

Good opportunity to point out a guy I think is being severely underrated in draft discussions around the place with VIC footy halting. Rewatching some more vic footy over the last few weeks (for player profiles for the AFL Draft Central Draft Guide, keep your eyes open in the coming weeks) and he's one I think might be a smokey for the top 30, genuinely versatile to a high level, speedy and most importantly one of the best kicks in the draft class, keep an eye to see if he 'rises' in the next month

I'm a big fan, been pushing him on the West Coast page, and Soligo!

 

[PMBangers]

I'm a big fan, been pushing him on the West Coast page, and Soligo!

Soligo is another one for me as well, not quite as high as Rankin in my order but a hard at it hard working mid that can hit the scoreboard isn't something to brush away easily, Soligo's workrate as well with his two way running is impressive

 

[Eastcoasteagle]

Soligo is another one for me as well, not quite as high as Rankin in my order but a hard at it hard working mid that can hit the scoreboard isn't something to brush away easily, Soligo's workrate as well with his two way running is impressive

I went to watch the Sandy Vs Eastern game at Trevor Barker earlier this year and he really impressed me that day, he had a big day out and I walked away thinking wow this guy has something. His game vs Vic Country was also decent. We really need some outside run, and two way running so well suited to us.

 

[Polo342]

Hey mate, do you see GWS definitely taking Mac Andrew

 

[PMBangers]

Hey mate, do you see GWS definitely taking Mac Andrew

No

 

[Polo342]

No

Who do you have them taking mate? Lowe key hoping Fremantle can take Jye Amiss and Mac Andrew. Have you done a phantom recently or do I have to read back?

 

[PMBangers]

Who do you have them taking mate? Lowe key hoping Fremantle can take Jye Amiss and Mac Andrew. Have you done a phantom recently or do I have to read back?

I think its between Andrew, Callaghan, Gibcus and Rachele currently, so it's hard to see us 'definitley' taking anyone in particular

 

[Polo342]

I think its between Andrew, Callaghan, Gibcus and Rachele currently, so it's hard to see us 'definitley' taking anyone in particular

Rachele seriously seems to be the kid everyone is talking about these days hay!!!

 

[Kangaroos4eva]

Keen to get your views on Ronald fejo jr as a later pick.

 

[PMBangers]

Keen to get your views on Ronald fejo jr as a later pick.

As a later pick I'd be keen for sure, currently in my top 50 because his movement through congestion is really impressive and his ball use is pretty good. In saying that, I've found that he does try to do too much with at times, at least from footage (where I can't see what's up the field) he doubles back into traffic a lot when he gets it, but he's certainly developable

 

[DaKids]

Not having a lot of confidence to run and carry would I imagine be explained in part by injury. And also the fact that he's spent most of the season when fit as a role player for South. There were none of these issues over the first month of the year when he was healthy and dominated the U18s. Then when he was fit again, he was considered good enough to be part of South's finals run and kicked 5 goals in 4 weeks in his limited role.

Sheldrick has the same question marks and less versatility. I wonder how his ball use would have gone playing at a higher level.

It's always tough comparing someone who's played league football versus school football and colts. You're expected to dominate one, whereas only the very best dominate both. That's what the Champs are for. But I personally took almost nothing out of the WA/SA games this year, such was the quality - the only takeaways for me were Sheldrick will be drafted and I'd go early on Jones.

The fall and fall of Matt on these draft watchers has been nothing short of bizarre. If South had left Matt in U18 in his favoured position he’d still be talked about as top 10. Gets absolutely no credit for a good contribution as a role player in a league prelim final. Gets absolutely no credit for being one of the best performers for SA in state games. Zero allowance for his injury.

As you correctly observe just continued nitpicking thanks to the level of exposure compared to others.

 

[PMBangers]

The fall and fall of Matt on these draft watchers has been nothing short of bizarre. If South had left Matt in U18 in his favoured position he’d still be talked about as top 10. Gets absolutely no credit for a good contribution as a role player in a league prelim final. Gets absolutely no credit for being one of the best performers for SA in state games. Zero allowance for his injury.

As you correctly observe just continued nitpicking thanks to the level of exposure compared to others.

Would you rather we not focus on him when he plays? It's all well and good to say he'd still be considered top 10 if he was left in the U18's, but he wasn't, so it's a moot point.

 

[DaKids]

Would you rather we not focus on him when he plays? It's all well and good to say he'd still be considered top 10 if he was left in the U18's, but he wasn't, so it's a moot point.

Chris makes a number of very valid points and one of those is the tendency to over analyse when there’s over exposure compared to others. Go and have a look at his prelim highlights - comfortably able to get separation on a lead, comfortably able to run around an opponent. You blokes are making him sound like he turns up in a wheel chair every week.