Opinion Port's ruck strategy

[bomberclifford]

Genuis Ken.

First no tall forwards, them no tall defenders, now no tall rucks.

What will he think of next.

 

[Loony Juice]

Venkmann on Hinkley: “It’s true Your Honour, this man has no ruck.”


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Who you gunna call?

 

[Loony Juice]

Genuis Ken.

First no tall forwards, them no tall defenders, now no tall rucks.

What will he think of next.

Please, please, please......NO COACH

 

[dirty2]

Everyone above 195cm should be embarrassed when they see SPP rucking.

 

[Winganeen]

Inside the game: How Port Adelaide's could change the game with their no-ruck approach

How going without a ruck is helping Port move the ball, and why it might impact the rest of the league

As Port Adelaide takes a no-ruck approach to their footy, Cody Atkinson and Sean Lawson ask whether the move is sustainable - and will other clubs follow suit?

www.abc.net.au

I must admit, I'm not entirely against it even though it sort of reminds me of Choco predicting AFL would become more like basketball and contested possession was dead.

You can see how Ken would arrive at the conclusion you don't need a ruck.

• "History tells me you don't have to win the tap to win the clearance"
• "Don't judge us on taps won, judge us on games won"

.....probably.



There is some logic to it, can you justify a specialist in one area of the game if they offer next to nothing elsewhere? We don't select players just for kick-ins for example.

 

[Enviable Tradition]

I must admit, I'm not entirely against it even though it sort of reminds me of Choco predicting AFL would become more like basketball and contested possession was dead.

You can see how Ken would arrive at the conclusion you don't need a ruck.

• "History tells me you don't have to win the tap to win the clearance"
• "Don't judge us on taps won, judge us on games won"

.....probably.



There is some logic to it, can you justify a specialist in one area of the game if they offer next to nothing elsewhere? We don't select players just for kick-ins for example.

It's just another strategy that works OK against the average sides and fails against the best.

All the while wasting opportunities to develop a strategy that will work against the best.

Classic Ken.

 

[chiwigi]

I must admit, I'm not entirely against it even though it sort of reminds me of Choco predicting AFL would become more like basketball and contested possession was dead.

You can see how Ken would arrive at the conclusion you don't need a ruck.

• "History tells me you don't have to win the tap to win the clearance"
• "Don't judge us on taps won, judge us on games won"

.....probably.



There is some logic to it, can you justify a specialist in one area of the game if they offer next to nothing elsewhere? We don't select players just for kick-ins for example.

This has been predicted every year since Adam was born.

Then a big guy dominates and everyone changes their mind again.

 

[sobrave]

Inside the game: How Port Adelaide's could change the game with their no-ruck approach

How going without a ruck is helping Port move the ball, and why it might impact the rest of the league

As Port Adelaide takes a no-ruck approach to their footy, Cody Atkinson and Sean Lawson ask whether the move is sustainable - and will other clubs follow suit?

www.abc.net.au

Lol what a revolutionary idea... Its not like Richmond won flags recently running with guys like Marlion Pickett and big boy Shaun Grigg doing ruckwork

The brilliant mind of ken hinkley strikes again

 

[Duckimus Prime]

Inside the game: How Port Adelaide's could change the game with their no-ruck approach

How going without a ruck is helping Port move the ball, and why it might impact the rest of the league

As Port Adelaide takes a no-ruck approach to their footy, Cody Atkinson and Sean Lawson ask whether the move is sustainable - and will other clubs follow suit?

www.abc.net.au

I can't even be bothered clicking it because which Ken-suck-hole reporter came up with Port chaing the game with no-ruck?

Luke Beveridge won a Premiership in 2016 with the "ruck" being split between key forward Tom Boyd and key defender Jordan Roughead.

So really Port is just copying the Bulldogs half a decade later, without having the umpiring help in the midfield.

 

[Duckimus Prime]

Lol what a revolutionary idea... Its not like Richmond won flags recently running with guys like Marlion Pickett and big boy Shaun Grigg doing ruckwork

The brilliant mind of ken hinkley strikes again

Technically that was just to give Nankervis a rest.

 

[RussellEbertHandball]

Inside the game: How Port Adelaide's could change the game with their no-ruck approach

How going without a ruck is helping Port move the ball, and why it might impact the rest of the league

As Port Adelaide takes a no-ruck approach to their footy, Cody Atkinson and Sean Lawson ask whether the move is sustainable - and will other clubs follow suit?

www.abc.net.au

I like the articles Cody (he posts on big footy) and his mate writes, but I call bullshit on this one.

First, its a limited sample size for Port. 2 games.

Second, Port under Hinkley concentrates on winning stoppages whichever style ruck we have had in the last 10 seasons. Port did against Richmond, but Cody only looked at part of the picture.

Port won plenty of stoppages because we emptied out our forward line and had extra players outside our F50, at the stoppages, but when we went inside 50, how many times was it 1v3 or 2v3 and the ball was turned over? So its a bit pointless at only looking at part of the story, a bit like only reading the left hand side page of each chapter and ignoring the right hand side page.

Third, how would Jezza physically be if he had to ruck 4 weeks in a row say against Witts, Goldstein, Naitanui and Nankervis, against big strong guys who would physically beat him up every game?

We saw this with Trengove in 2016 when we were too stupid to not buy insurance policy if CAS banned Ryder - this thread was started in November 2015, when Ford pulled one of my posts from another thread, I was complaining we had no insurance and Charlie would have to get the shin pads ready as he would be rucking in 2016. No Ryder, Lobbe got his usual long term injury and was bloody poor before that, Frampton wasn't ready, they tried Howard for a few games, then he did his ACL and Jacko was left to be the last man standing rucking for over 2/3rds of the season.

Jacko was fighting out of his weight division, he would give it his all against guys 15-20kg heavier than himself, would play a fantastic game, but it would wear him out and he would be poor the next game as a result. This yo-yo pattern went on for about 15 weeks.

 

[malcheski]

Inside the game: How Port Adelaide's could change the game with their no-ruck approach

How going without a ruck is helping Port move the ball, and why it might impact the rest of the league

As Port Adelaide takes a no-ruck approach to their footy, Cody Atkinson and Sean Lawson ask whether the move is sustainable - and will other clubs follow suit?

www.abc.net.au

This strategy is very ‘underpants gnome’ level.

Step 1: No Ruck
Step 2: ?????
Step 3: Profit


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[Winganeen]

It's just another strategy that works OK against the average sides and fails against the best.

All the while wasting opportunities to develop a strategy that will work against the best.

Classic Ken.

I don't disagree.

Like I say, it reminds me of Choco in the final stages; * well, we've gotta try something different*

 

[Us against the rest]

 

[Visenfest]

3rd post in a row

I loved how he said the best ruck will play! Benn a while since we have heard something like this.

That's great, but it's Ken's definition of best ruck that worries me.

 

[TeeKray]

People thinking that 'best ruck' means one of the young guys that they think has great potential and hope can be the best ruck one day rather than the actual current best ruck in Lycett will be disappointed.

 

[EskimoPAFC]

People thinking that 'best ruck' means one of the young guys that they think has great potential and hope can be the best ruck one day rather than the actual current best ruck in Lycett will be disappointed.

Are we sure it doesn't mean "best player who can ruck" ie Ollie Wines?

 

[VineValerian]

Are we sure it doesn't mean "best player who can ruck" ie Ollie Wines?

People thinking that "best ruck" equates to a ferocious and valiant warrior, albeit one who is physically cooked and has been exposed many times in big matches, are setting their expectations much too low.

 

[PatientMental]

Are we sure it doesn't mean "best player who can ruck" ie Ollie Wines?

Or just our only experienced ruck?

Especially since we're usually allergic to giving blokes not named after a pasta dish given to a child an extended run at it.

Lycett is doggy doo doo and there's not many worse first choice rucks going around.

 

[JimmyBC]

Yea at some point you probably have to move past the experienced mature body that's ok around the ground but is lousy at the actual art of ruck philosophy. He'd be ok in a two ruck set-up like his West Coast days but the main ruck imo actually needs decent tap ruck craft.

 

[Grave Danger]

lol - three ruckmen in the frame, but it looks like Houston got the hit out - "We've found another option, Kenny!"

 

[FutureShock]

lol - three ruckmen in the frame, but it looks like Houston got the hit out - "We've found another option, Kenny!"


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Actually looks like all 3 of them missed the ball.

 

[Grave Danger]

Actually looks like all 3 of them missed the ball.

#29 didn't miss it...

 

[S.Patrol.G]

I expect to see Finlayson more at CB, as he's more agile and mobile than our other options. I reckon there will be a fair bit of him, JHF, Butters and Rozee. Quick and good below their knees.

 

[Duck Farmer]

REH's OP from 7 years ago is quite prophetic.

Get the shin pads ready Charlie. You might be asked to do a lot more rucking than what Ken and co said you might be doing in 2016 when you talked to them in August.