Training Preseason 22-23

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[ScragCity]

I completely understand the theory behind why we do it but it was quite obvious that it was uneffective the way we used it and you cannot argue with that. Maybe that’s just how we implemented it and maybe we can train to use it more effectively, but as it stands it seriously hampered us all season.

It’s all well and good to cut off the angles but we did not do this, instead we just stood practically how we would on the mark but 5-10m back allowing a simple unpressured mark, look at the amount of uncontested marks we allowed in transition last year.

If we stood back and cut off the corridor sure makes sense in theory but even when we were up against the boundary we’d still move back 10m and stand on the boundary with literally zero affect.

I disagree it delays the opposition time to transition, actually it did the complete opposite. Manning the mark means you hold up the player in possession and force them to backtrack behind the mark before kicking down the line and allowing our defence time to set up. We had the comical situation play out where our players would literally run past the man in possession, with their backs to them, to get outside 5 - allowing the opposition to take possession and immediately move the ball forward under zero pressure.

This is why our mids/defence had trouble getting back in time to help (something which has never been an issue for us) we took away the time they need to get back. 2-3 secs the opposition needs to get back behind the mark can be the difference in uncontested marks or our defence cutting it off.

There’s also the fact that our defence plays notoriously high in front of their opposition. I can understand if we set up deep like Melbourne or Collingwood and held position then sure allowing them some space to entice them to kick long is fine. But when your defence takes front position and pushes high, allowing them extra space and time just gives them a free shot at getting it in long over the back of our defence = easy shot at goal.

With the way our defence sets up you need to pressure the ball carrier and cause turnovers that we can chop off. Not take all pressure off the kicker.

So I disagree, I think it had a huge effect on our overall defence (which yes is poor as is and doesn’t need to be hampered further) and the stats back this up - I think it’s be foolish to suggest the whole difference here was just a fit Keath.

As others have pointed out it’s also instilling a pressure free mentality in our players which bled into other parts of our game.

There’s a reason why all the best teams of last season did the complete opposite and aggressively pushed the line & stole every meter they could get, always in the face of the opposition with relentless pressure. It’s a mindset - giving your opponent 60m out an extra 10m to get it in deep or an open look at goal is categorically not the right one

I almost never agree with you on anything, but I completely agree here. It's all well and good to explain why moving outside 5 makes sense in theory. In practice it was a s**t tactic that ****ed our season for all the reasons you've stated here.

I'll also add another - the psychological impact. It was evident to anyone with eyes that our players were genuinely confused about when to move outside five and when to stand the mark. This was clear on occasions when we would move outside 5 when the opponent was in a position to have a set shot at goal. That is just plain ******* stupid no matter how you spin it. The fact that the players were completely lost and confused impacted their performance in every aspect. Also the fact that the umpires suck at adjudicating the rule means we were forced to concede way more than just 5m and inevitably had 2 or so 50m penalties paid every match as a cost for this stupid tactic.

 

[cleveland]

 

[adogsfan5]

Looks like the boys had an unofficial run down stkilda or the tan this morning? Haven’t seen this type of work at the dogs for some time. Fitness has clearly been an important topic.

 

[doggies ftw]

I almost never agree with you on anything, but I completely agree here. It's all well and good to explain why moving outside 5 makes sense in theory. In practice it was a s**t tactic that ****ed our season for all the reasons you've stated here.

I'll also add another - the psychological impact. It was evident to anyone with eyes that our players were genuinely confused about when to move outside five and when to stand the mark. This was clear on occasions when we would move outside 5 when the opponent was in a position to have a set shot at goal. That is just plain ******* stupid no matter how you spin it. The fact that the players were completely lost and confused impacted their performance in every aspect. Also the fact that the umpires suck at adjudicating the rule means we were forced to concede way more than just 5m and inevitably had 2 or so 50m penalties paid every match as a cost for this stupid tactic.

Yep giving the umpires more room for errors is never a good plan really, sure ideally they don’t make s**t decisions but we know that’s not going to happen so let’s take it out of their hands.

It seems clear we’re going to use it at times this year so let’s hope we’ve figured out how and when to use it. I think a very simple way to look at it is if you need to physically backtrack to get outside 5 then it’s a bad idea, no exceptions.

Ie. if you’re in a one on one contest and the opposition player marks it, you don’t backtrack to outside 5 and give him the space to move forward, you encroach the mark and force him back. If a player takes an uncontested mark and you’re not even ‘inside 5’ yet then that’s usually fine (except for the obvious exceptions like within 80m to goal etc), don’t bother with the mark, instead sit corridor side outside 5-10 and try and cut off the angles and entice him into kicking long down the line.

 

[Dogs_R_Us]

Boys very vocal

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[Dog 36]

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That looks like Maribyrnong River in Aberfeldie

 

[ossie_21]

That looks like Maribyrnong River in Aberfeldie

It was Albert Park

 

[ossie_21]

Bulldogs posted a short clip with a few highlights from the match sim. Noticeable points were English actually out bodying Sweet and getting some clear taps to advantage, then another near the defensive square was Caleb collecting the ball in traffic, turning on a dime and sending none other than the Bont off for a hot dog.

Also pretty happy that Roarke worked on his height and strength this off-season.


Seriously though, it’s great that Keath fits into Roarke’s jumper and shows he must have worked hard. A fit Keath is priceless for 2023 #wed#weddingshredding

 

[doggies ftw]

Bulldogs posted a short clip with a few highlights from the match sim. Noticeable points were English actually out bodying Sweet and getting some clear taps to advantage, then another near the defensive square was Caleb collecting the ball in traffic, turning on a dime and sending none other than the Bont off for a hot dog.

Also pretty happy that Roarke worked on his height and strength this off-season.
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Seriously though, it’s great that Keath fits into Roarke’s jumper and shows he must have worked hard. A fit Keath is priceless for 2023 #wed#weddingshredding

I’m interested in exploring more Daniel in the middle and up around the contest (high HFF), he’s just so good in congestion - he could give us a different look in there at times

 

[ossie_21]

I’m interested in exploring more Daniel in the middle and up around the contest (high HFF), he’s just so good in congestion - he could give us a different look in there at times

I never want to see him get caught on the last line of defence ever again. Dale should also be our designated kick-in taker & Richards back-up.

Caleb should be between the arcs for me, his kicking is so good that we want someone like him delivering it inside 50, but also able to help break the lines by getting it to an open player in a congested midfield

 

[Sid Nullis]

I’m interested in exploring more Daniel in the middle and up around the contest (high HFF), he’s just so good in congestion - he could give us a different look in there at times

Yeah I think it makes sense to change the dynamic of our midfield. I think Cody may add to that with a slight change in roles.

 

[Graeme Cook]

First line stolen from Macartney

And the goals will look after themselves

 

[paulveed]

Will people please stop referring to the 'witches hats' set by the umps as "manning the mark". They are not. Under the current rule, for the time between the umps calling "stand" until they call "play on", the sides are set with one having 18 active players on the field, while the other has 17 and a plastic cone.

 

[Philthy1]

Will people please stop referring to the 'witches hats' set by the umps as "manning the mark". They are not. Under the current rule, for the time between the umps calling "stand" until they call "play on", the sides are set with one having 18 active players on the field, while the other has 17 and a plastic cone.

How long until the "plastic cone" becomes a specialist position? Sounds like it would fit Gary Rohan in Grand Final mode perfectly.

We've had quite a few down the years who could have been specialist "plastic cones".

 

[ossie_21]

How long until the "plastic cone" becomes a specialist position? Sounds like it would fit Gary Rohan in Grand Final mode perfectly.

We've had quite a few down the years who could have been specialist "plastic cones".

Unfortunately this can no longer be used as he’s somehow a premiership player

 

[maddog37]

Unfortunately this can no longer be used as he’s somehow a premiership player

Yep. Gotta give the man his dues.

 

[Philthy1]

Unfortunately this can no longer be used as he’s somehow a premiership player

Not sure about that. 24 disposals in 4 GF with 10 clangers.

He turned up and got a medal. That's about it.

 

[Dogs till i die]

Bit late with my take from Friday at Skinner,'s intraclub -

Keath looks fit and keen
Jones looks likewise, hope he can stay fit after a year out of AFL
Very impressed with the fitness of both JUH and Bruce who matched up. Both worked very hard off the ball, JUH presenting and running to position, with Bruce matching JUH's running
Bont looks a million bucks, as does Timm
Sam Darcy very skilled and impressive
McLean looked very mobile, could be a good plus for 2023
Heard the boys are finding Skinner hard on the legs, have put a lot of water on it during December without much improvement. If Skinner is going to be a long term training venue, the club needs to soften the surface, don't want sore legs going into R1.
Concerned with Treloar

 

[bresker]

How is the Cone going?

We know he's got a really solid base and he's hard to push over in a contest

Could be a useful addition but lacks mobility

 

[Oliver G]

Boys very vocal

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Has to be faked, Macrae had a shot at goal.

 

[perro_loco]

I don't want to be too negative but McComb is 27 years old and should be at the peak of his powers. He should only play as backup unless there is drastic improvement in my opinion.

I get it, but I always like Cinderella stories.

 

[perro_loco]

You are definitely pre season BOG

Sorry to elevate the stakes but he is a Brownlow for mine!

 

[Sharpiesadog]

How is the Cone going?

We know he's got a really solid base and he's hard to push over in a contest

Could be a useful addition but lacks mobility

Coney should go to GWS. He’s made of exactly the kind of stuff they’re looking for.

 

[Angak]

Not sure about that. 24 disposals in 4 GF with 10 clangers.

He turned up and got a medal. That's about it.

He had one of most clutch moments in finals history vs Collingwood.