Review QF: The Good, the Bad and the Ugly vs. Collingwood

[Soggy2112]

nobody in the southern stand on my level was booing quaynor.

To be honest I was sitting up the top of the Eastern stand, and there really wasn’t a lot of people around me that I noticed booing Quaynor. I’ve spoken to people in different parts of the ground who have said the same.

It was really loud though so clearly lots of people were, but I reckon at least half the crowd wasn’t.

 

[Kane McGoodwin]

To be honest I was sitting up the top of the Eastern stand, and there really wasn’t a lot of people around me that I noticed booing Quaynor. I’ve spoken to people in different parts of the ground who have said the same.

It was really loud though so clearly lots of people were, but I reckon at least half the crowd wasn’t.

Doubt it was even 5% booing.

I was also top of Eastern Stand, northern side & no one was booing him.

 

[Drugs Are Bad Mackay?]

nobody in the southern stand on my level was booing quaynor.

Enough were booing him that it was plainly obvious at the ground

 

[Drugs Are Bad Mackay?]

Good
We're no longer considered a threat, so they won't have a team of MRO officers scanning every single tackle, bump and contest we were in searching for anything remotely suspendable

 

[CrowBloke]

Ugly: Ben Keays - 12 career games against Collingwood for 0 goals

Re Keays: was somebody blanketing him? I couldn't tell on TV.

If so, Nicks coulda told Keays to run with and stick like a limpet to Naicos.
Keays himself has said he plays best when given a job to do.

 

[Kane McGoodwin]

Re Keays: was somebody blanketing him? I couldn't tell on TV.

If so, Nicks coulda told Keays to run with and stick like a limpet to Naicos.
Keays himself has said he plays best when given a job to do.

Keays was playing on Josh Daicos for much of the game.

 

[CrowBloke]

Keays was playing on Josh Daicos for much of the game.

I missed that, thanks.
On raw numbers, Jaicos won that one.

 

[Carn The Texan]

Enough were booing him that it was plainly obvious at the ground

Agree. But everyone was looking around to figure out where it was coming from and all present agreed it was bad. I just wanted to add that perspective - the number of people booing IQ specifically was so low it was difficult to see who was doing it even if you were searching.

 

[Owen_AFC97]

Will people stop painting the scene that the crowd only booed Quaynor for just being the victim of a homophobic taunt?

People are mad at the shit they did to Rankine. People in the crowd were saying those kind of comments. I was ****ing there.

I don't mind getting into players about their shit kick etc but they're cheap shits what they did. And players/the industry go on about concussion and CTE yet they used that against him like that..

And no one in the media called it out because it has to be black and white, Rankine is just bad for what he did.

But that will all be ignored and forgotten and it will just be "herp derp bad homophobic crowd"

But the outrage brigade and media want to label us as homophobes and the scum of the earth… So we must be both of those things!

 

[Rotayjay]

Ugly: Tex's son in a Collingwood jumper. I love Tex, but that's a failure of parenting. You're a club legend and current player and have the chance to teach your kid from birth to be a supporter of your club. But you let them support another side. WTF.

 

[King Elvis]

The continual verbal and physical abuse of Mark Keane by Mihocek and others went all night long. Clearly identified as a 'hot head' who they could target with attempted mental disintegration. Fair enough...but it makes me vomit to see their holier than thou attitude about 'safe workplace' and other platitudes. Hypocrites to the extreme. Every sensible person knows this was all about competitive advantage.

Yep.

The AFL (and sport in general) has a big problem with the "punish the retaliator" approach - it gives the antagonist free license to go after them to provoke a reaction.

 

[cleanhands]

Enough were booing him that it was plainly obvious at the ground

But umpires are constantly booed nothing said

 

[skam85]

We ensured he was BOG... by just bombing it to him without looking most of the time.

We haven’t seen this since earlier in the season, but saved this losing playbook to 1st final with a lack of composure.

The fact the coaches didn’t correct it is unexplainable. Would have been my 1st question to Nicks.

The signs were there against Melbourne when we kept lacing out Steven May

 

[GameofSloanes]

It’s hilarious how Collingwood fans sit on their moral high chair outraged at the booing. But conveniently forget their own history with booing…
Goodes
Franklin
JHF

Interesting that Collingwood chose to bully and threaten an indigenous player the previous game too

 

[jenny61_99]

No they dont. Thats hypocrissy.

So Quaynor, who openly abused Rankine, clearly said some heinous shit to provoke the response, shoved him into the ground and tried to hurt him cant be booed because he is a victim of a 'word' yet Rankine who was pushed to boiling point said a bad word, had his life crushed, can be booed by a group of people that werent affected at all about something that was said to a player it didnt affect at all?

Thats the hypocrissy. They have no reason and the AFL needs to call it out.

You saw Quaynor openly abuse Rankine? You heard what he said? No, you are making a supposition.

But look I agree with you. The whole issue is hypocritical from the handling of it to the length of time to mete out the punishment to the media hounding of Izak and to the public responses to our crowd booing last night. Watching this Geelong game and the BOOOOOs just highlights that hypocrisy. I personally think it was poor to boo Quaynor, but have no problem with booing Houston and Sidebottom. So pfft. Six of one, half a dozen of the other. (TLR: I have no frigging clue WTF is going on).

 

[GameofSloanes]

Not ok. But they actually have a tangible reason.

Interesting. So booing an indigenous player isn't racist?

 

[jenny61_99]

Interesting. So booing an indigenous player isn't racist?

It depends. Why are you booing?

 

[Billy Cart]

But umpires are constantly booed nothing said

The PC brigade will want to outlaw that as well as booing an opponent kicking for goal.

 

[adelaidecrows]

You saw Quaynor openly abuse Rankine? You heard what he said? No, you are making a supposition.

But look I agree with you. The whole issue is hypocritical from the handling of it to the length of time to mete out the punishment to the media hounding of Izak and to the public responses to our crowd booing last night. Watching this Geelong game and the BOOOOOs just highlights that hypocrisy. I personally think it was poor to boo Quaynor, but have no problem with booing Houston and Sidebottom. So pfft. Six of one, half a dozen of the other. (TLR: I have no frigging clue WTF is going on).

Ahh yep my bad. No mitigating circumstances at all. He just decided on his own to call Quaynor that name for no reason. None whatsoever. Like come on. Dont lower yourself to the did you hear crowd to win the argument. No one ****ing heard Rankine say anything either. Its just as realistic to establish the conclusion Rankine was abused. AAnd it doesnt matter what Quaynor said. Its ok for Quaynor to say something and Rankine has no right to be offended because you may not deem it offensive? yet Rankine says something, Australia pretends to be offended so they can vilify a bloke for sport because we want to feel good about ourselves. Its a ****ing joke and it needs to stop.

 

[King Elvis]

https://www.news.com.au/sport/afl/afl-set-to-investigate-adelaide-crows-star-over-alleged-slur/news-story/476f1a7fa6804097ad19b1004c9d7d80

Watch the video, for those of you with short memories.

He was into Rankine all night, same as Houston, that's why he was booed.

 

[GameofSloanes]

I agree with all of this. However, on reflection, I think coaching also played a part.

The particular issue I have is not related to hack kicks out of defence, which were to be expected when under extreme pressure, rather than getting caught HTB. The astounding problem I saw relates to boundary stoppage setups. Here, Collingwood seemed to have an outer layer of players, relatively unattended, and, when the ball got out to them, Collingwood's running patterns resulted in clear attacking handball chains down the ground, unmolested. One of the key factors in this was the fact that their inside players, when tackled very well, still manage to get strong, accurate handballs away to start the chain, albeit a lot of them throws.

I don't believe that our players have this ability to get such handballs away when tackled strongly. They just get swung and hack kick away randomly, or just fumble and drop the ball, or just give it to the oppo. I believe that our midfield coaches need to urgently train our inside men in this art. This problem is also exacerbated by the fact that our guys at boundary stoppages seem to be clustered in the inner circle, with not as many outside like Collingwood.

This seems to relate to a general lack of skill, as well as a deficiency in midfield stoppage coaching to me. I really don't see why we can't have handball chains down the flanks just like Collingwood.

We have the most broken tackles in the afl this year so that's not true in general. But it certainly was last night
Getting sucked into the stoppage and caught on the outside is a result of trying too hard because we're losing and not sticking to structure. Used to happen all the time when we were shit and we reverted back to it

 

[kirky]

There have been plenty of times this year where at the start of the first and third quarters, we come out so flat.

What the hell is Nicks doing that we are so slow out of the blocks

He opens his mouth.

 

[kirky]

We were never in the top 3 best sides this year. Basically we were a genuine 4th playing a genuine number 1.

How do you come up with that beauty?

 

[The Karma Bus]

But the outrage brigade and media want to label us as homophobes and the scum of the earth… So we must be both of those things!

Shit has gotten so out of hand.
I 100% agree with no racism, homophobia etc but everything and everyone is so over the top with the accusations of you're a racist or a homophobe because I've ticked my boxes that say you must be.

If people actually think the crowd were booing because they agree with what Rankine did and agree with homophobia, fmd.

We are in a position where everything is this or that. No middle ground, no centre, no explanation, no other factors at play even though what someone (Izak in this situation) did was still wrong.

I feel sick for what those assholes did to Rankine while still saying he's wrong for going where he did.

 

[Moonwatcher]

How do you come up with that beauty?

We don't have a midfield.