Review R10: The Good, Bad and the Ugly vs. Collingwood

[Moonwatcher]

This is just absurd. On par with Port fans telling us Carr manufactures the wins and Hinkley the losses.

By all reports Nicks is a popular coach. We can see the gameday deficiencies but lets not pretend he is making Izak, Josh and Dan miss straightforward shots.

Being a big moment player is something internal and uncoachable.

Why is Frampton a completely different player?

Our structure allows our opponents to have loose men overlapping all the way down the ground which will always put us behind before the match has begun. Apart from that we would have won had the players not held the belief that we can't beat Collingwood. Izak, Josh and Dan kick those shots 99% of the time if it's against North Melbourne.

 

[spenze]

Why is Frampton a completely different player?

That is on our coaching group. Everyone in the league saw what happened when we put him back but Collingwood went “ we will work on him being part of a team defence”

I still remember him holding Harris Andrew’s goal less in the GF, he has come a long way.

 

[1970crow]

Draper down to 30th in rising star minutes this year.

Thank god we're already perfect in the midfield

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He’s just at a different stage in his development.

 

[FR0GGY]

So we’ve had the red hot suns away to show us where we sit, then we’ve had the Thursday night gather round vs Geelong to show us where we’re at, then we had a chance to atone in Perth, now Collingwood at the G to show us where we’re at.
I guess if we don’t know by now?

 

[Mr_Moogle]

That is on our coaching group. Everyone in the league saw what happened when we put him back but Collingwood went “ we will work on him being part of a team defence”

I still remember him holding Harris Andrew’s goal less in the GF, he has come a long way.

Is this a bit? He sucked arse in that GF.

 

[pjcrows]

So we’ve had the red hot suns away to show us where we sit, then we’ve had the Thursday night gather round vs Geelong to show us where we’re at, then we had a chance to atone in Perth, now Collingwood at the G to show us where we’re at.
I guess if we don’t know by now?

We know.

 

[CrowCro]

People are too blinded by Walkers 2-3 goal games. He still gets so much ball going to him so ideally he will get a few goals but he costs you more than he gets you. As a supporter who sits essentially behind the point post last row bottom tier teams start so much of their play off Taylor, he can't chase and hold the ball in and his field kicking is also becoming hit n miss. It's time to move on and like the Blight era only then will the next generation really lift a gear. Play Cuetin in his position, is 4 cm taller , has a better chase down and can take a mark above his head. Tell him the position is his and only that way he will grow to next level

 

[Jcpdragonx]

Berry was pretty good when he came on I thoight, if you extrapolated his 30% T.O.G. over 4 quarters he wouldn't have been close to our worst. It's time he got some full games before we judge him.

Give up on Berry man. no outside game, terrible ball user, slow decision maker. Can't even make the 22 with Crouch and Sid not playing. He's not part of a premiership midfield.

 

[GameofSloanes]

Another brave loss to Collingwood.

So proud of the boys








This attitude is why nicks will never win anything

 

[GreyCrow]

Give up on Berry man. no outside game, terrible ball user, slow decision maker. Can't even make the 22 with Crouch and Sid not playing. He's not part of a premiership midfield.

Given we are complaining about a set 23 its good that some extra squad members are getting a go

Sure we are going back to the well of experience but its a start

 

[King Elvis]

People are too blinded by Walkers 2-3 goal games. He still gets so much ball going to him so ideally he will get a few goals but he costs you more than he gets you. As a supporter who sits essentially behind the point post last row bottom tier teams start so much of their play off Taylor, he can't chase and hold the ball in and his field kicking is also becoming hit n miss. It's time to move on and like the Blight era only then will the next generation really lift a gear. Play Cuetin in his position, is 4 cm taller , has a better chase down and can take a mark above his head. Tell him the position is his and only that way he will grow to next level

Love Tex, obviously, and think keeping him on this year was fair enough - but we've then predictably treated him as a key 18 player, not depth.

We're too tall, it takes away a midfield rotation and hurts the team.

He should've been rested already but they're too soft to do it - remove 300 from the equation and manage/utilise him properly.

 

[King Elvis]

Give up on Berry man. no outside game, terrible ball user, slow decision maker. Can't even make the 22 with Crouch and Sid not playing. He's not part of a premiership midfield.

Play Berry for a month and then make a decision.

Too many players in limbo because we refuse to commit one way or another.

 

[CrowBloke]

Why is Frampton a completely different player?

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That is on our coaching group. Everyone in the league saw what happened when we put him back but Collingwood went “ we will work on him being part of a team defence”

It's an example of what a good Coach can do to bring out the best in a player.
Stengle @ Geelong is another example.
Club culture + team belief + the character and footy nous of a good Coach make a huge difference.

 

[TubbsFarquhar]

We didn't play our best today but still kept pace with Collingwood all game. In the end, several missed opportunities (especially in front of goal) costed us the game.

At the end of the day, we're 6-4 heading into two winnable games against West Coast and Sydney. If we win both of these games as expected, we're 8-4 heading into the tough fortnight against Brisbane and Hawthorn.

Things are far more positive for us than they are for our friends down the road, and for several other clubs that could've been nipping at our heels.

We won't beat Sydney, Nicks doesn't know how to.

 

[rossi]

We were always going to lose this one. Actually had the umpires on side in the first half but couldn’t capitalise. There was a passage of play in the d50 where 50-50 frees to collingwood were not paid but we did nothing with it.
Second half we predictably shat the bed after blowing multiple set shots on goal when we could have run away with it. Same as the story against Geelong and Port where it should have been put beyond doubt but we absolutely bottled it.
Last week was clearly a dud coach but I feel like this week is just ingrained choking against Collingwood dating back to the 2002/3 PF final losses.

 

[spenze]

Is this a bit? He sucked arse in that GF.

Yes that is a bit, his job that day was to keep Harris accountable and well he did keep him goal less

 

[imagifED]

Thing is we have a team full of flaky players where you don't know what you're gonna get. 1 great game, 2 mid games and 1 team costing game over a 4 week block. Only Max and maybe Peatling and Fog are consistent reliable players. Collingwood have Daicos brothers, Pendlebury, Sidebottom, Crisp, Houston, Howe, Mihocek, etc. Players don't always get 30 and kick 3, even when down they can contribute in other ways like Naicos did with his ground ball and quick handballs to outside runners.
Worrell and Hinge could have brain fades and turn the ball over one week. Rachele could go unsighted, soft and spray his goalkicking. Dawson could go unsighted and spray his field kicking. And this is without even getting to our whipping boys.

 

[AFC979810]

I'm pretty sure the coaching staff have a handle of who will make it, who needs more time and who isn't up to it.

Makes sense. Hard to fault the club really. All those games we pumped into Murphy, McHenry and Jones are paying dividends.

 

[AFC979810]

Draper down to 30th in rising star minutes this year.

Thank god we're already perfect in the midfield

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Whats to be gained by playing him at the MCG?

Especially when he can learn so much playing in the SANFL on a bye week.

 

[moogerfooger]

Why is Frampton a completely different player?

He's not. If it was dry yesterday Thilthorpe would have taken him to the cleaners. He's benefited from going to a club challenging for a flag vs a club that was in rebuild mode. That environment has brought out his best but he'll never be more than a depth KPD.

He wouldn't be keeping Murray, Keane or even Butts out of our side, even in the form he showed yesterday.

 

[sirpablo]

There were times today where I thought, is Hinge playing in the guts? But, I think he was just pushing up. Seriously, though he was super clean at times, makes pretty good decisions in not a lot of space, he's harder (at the ball) than any midfielder we curently have in there AND he has a very penetrating kick. I don't know why we aren't playing him in the middle - plus the deepest part of our squad is our half-back line, it just feels like a no brainer to me.

 

[Captain Furious]

Good: Surprisingly not much, given we only lost by 10 points away to a top side but Collingwood were off today too so seems like a missed opportunity.
None of their forwards got away so I guess the defence?
Dawson’s 1st quarter, Fog’s 2nd. Soligo looked dangerous in the 4th although he needs to compose himself before disposing the ball a bit better.
Curtin showing more signs, thought he was ok.
Rob hitting Fog lace out from 40m away(!?)
Never put an opposition in here but how good is Jeremy Howe

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Jeremy Howe

Age

35

Ht

190cm

Wt

86kg

Pos.

Def

Career

Season

Last 5

D

17.0

4star

K

11.2

4star

HB

5.7

4star

M

6.4

5star

T

2.1

4star

MG

318.1

4star

D

21.5

5star

K

16.5

5star

HB

5.0

3star

M

6.5

5star

T

2.0

3star

MG

433.3

5star

D

15.2

4star

K

9.0

4star

HB

6.2

4star

M

6.8

5star

T

1.6

4star

? Remember when he used to be a flukey half forward that would just fly for hangers? At almost 35 and only 190cm, he’d be in my AFL best team as 3rd tall defender.

Bad: Everything pointed at Tex having a week off, interstate game, wet weather, Pies best key defender out, necessitating a more mobile defence + Tex moving like an 80 year old the past couple of weeks. Selecting him was elite level incompetence and meant we effectively played one short. Hopefully it just cost us the game and didn’t cook his season.

Ugly: Collingwood are a better team than us but we have more talented players. Other than their superior coaching and systems, the biggest difference is when their moments come, they stride up, look it in the eye and take them. We shirk and slink away from ours. I don’t subscribe that dealing with pressure can’t be coached. When players tentatively stab at easy shots at goal, there’s a strong learning there. I’m tired of hearing our best can beat the best, fact is, it doesn’t. It gets close but then it averts its eyes and blames umpires and anything else that comes to mind. We haven’t beaten a top 7 side this year and even lost to the other top 8 list, bottom 4 coaching group, Fremantle. There needs to be a deep and systemic mindset change before we can be an actual contender.

 

[jenny61_99]

Well, our President is the current Federal President of the Liberal Party.

President?

 

[rubbers0ul]

He was ok for 3 quarters. Was in the carpark for the 4th.

The missed goal from 35 straight in front was compounded when collingwood went end to end from the kick in for a goal

 

[Bovo]

Players keep failing in big moments because of the culture and philosophies Nicks has instilled.

It's a systemic cultural issues that stems from the identity and personality of the coach, which is why it affects the vast majority of the playing group

You have twisted the situation so you can post your agenda. Let it go mate, it’s stopping you from just enjoying our club playing footy. I’ll tell you what I believe rattled Rankine. I watched an interview with him leading up to Sir Doug Nicholls round. He designed the jumper and put pressure on himself to perform. I just feel the occasion just got to him. Any other day he would goal from those set shots. But he will learn from it. As for the other “culture” parts of your post. That’s complete nonsense and you’re just desperate to pin everything on Nicks.