Preview R2: Changes v Port

[Scorpus]

Fine, hold a grudge ...i thought the Hawthorn game was horrid as well ......but be realistic to acknowledge a good game without the bias affecting your view of performance

It was a good performance if your standards are low

 

[Scorpus]

The discussion is on Mackay

You literally just said that Seedsman had fewer possessions which is incorrect

 

[WaynesWorld19]

Vader I don't know how you could call it a good game by mackay, it was average at best. If Matt Crouch had a 13 possession game, I can imagine you would be fairly harsh oh his performance (and rightfully so) but when it comes to Mackay you try to justify it. And before you suggest that Crouch needs more of the ball because he is less damaging per disposal, very few of Mackay's disposals had a heavy influence on the game.

Do you agree on Mackays out put v the players Vader posted ......or is that forgotten in the bias view?

 

[WaynesWorld19]

You literally just said that Seedsman had fewer possessions which is incorrect

Go back and follow the threads conversation and what i was responding to

 

[fatbarber]

There are some things about Adelaide that do actually stay the same, no matter how many coaches! (Blight excepted) we are conservative! So lets
pick the plodder until he keels over! The up and comers get a bit of a go but many of them get pissed off and move on! Maybe I am wrong and I am sure that the Hierarchy know a "LOT" more than I do, but it is what I see and think. More than happy to be proved wrong.

 

[WaynesWorld19]

It was a good performance if your standards are low

It was better than Jacobs, B,Crouch, Van Berlo, Walker, Douglas, and Lynch .......should try and watch a game unbiased ......it's like watching a non Crows game, umpires are never as bad as in a game involving your own team

 

[WaynesWorld19]

There are some things about Adelaide that do actually stay the same, no matter how many coaches! (Blight excepted) we are conservative! So lets
pick the plodder until he keels over! The up and comers get a bit of a go but many of them get pissed off and move on! Maybe I am wrong and I am sure that the Hierarchy know a "LOT" more than I do, but it is what I see and think. More than happy to be proved wrong.

You are so wrong you should be embarrassed to post it .......unless your very young ....in which case post away

 

[Scorpus]

It was better than Jacobs, B,Crouch, Van Berlo, Walker, Douglas, and Lynch .......should try and watch a game unbiased ......it's like watching a non Crows game, umpires are never as bad as in a game involving your own team

To say Mackay's game was better than Walker and Douglas is a huge stretch. I agree it was better than Van Berlo, Lynch and (to a lesser extent) Crouch's.

However, Lynch and VB were easily the worst players for us. Saying Mackay is better than them isn't saying much.

The truth is Mackay was well below standard like a number of players. He's not exclusively substandard, but part of a huge group of players below their best.

Saying I am "biased" is a very convienient and weak way to dismiss what I am saying

 

[Paladin]

It was better than Jacobs, B,Crouch, Van Berlo, Walker, Douglas, and Lynch .......should try and watch a game unbiased ......it's like watching a non Crows game, umpires are never as bad as in a game involving your own team

Whats your point it still wasn't good enough and he isn't getting selected before any of them.

 

[FR0GGY]

It was better than Jacobs, B,Crouch, Van Berlo, Walker, Douglas, and Lynch .......should try and watch a game unbiased ......it's like watching a non Crows game, umpires are never as bad as in a game involving your own team

say it isn't so

 

[dogs105]

No, you're absolutely right. There shouldn't be any opinions on here that aren't from Champion Data or someone who has actually played AFL football. What was I thinking?

You don't need to be sarcastic. I wasn't.

 

[Mr MysteryGuest]

Do you agree on Mackays out put v the players Vader posted ......or is that forgotten in the bias view?

Sloane - had more disposals 14 of which were handballs, but I don't remember any that made a particular impact, I suggest there was work he did on the inside that was difficult to notice, no idea if it was decent or not. I'll call it a tie.

Seedsman - Both had 4 tackles, Mackay with more pressure acts, despite having 2 less possessions I thought Seedsman's runs withthe ball and a few long kicks were more important than Mackay's. Tie.

Brad Crocuh - yep, apart from 1 kick to Tex he was pretty uneffective, but he hasn't played AFL in 573 days.

Milera - yes, but one is a debutant, one is a near 150 gamer.

It was better than Jacobs, B,Crouch, Van Berlo, Walker, Douglas, and Lynch .......should try and watch a game unbiased ......it's like watching a non Crows game, umpires are never as bad as in a game involving your own team

Jacobs - was well beaten by his direct opponent. Who was Mackay's?

Van berlo - yes, but I don't think he likely to remain in the side for very long.

Lynch - yep, was taken out the game by his opponent, did anyone tag Mackay?

Walker - lol no. Tex kicked 2.3 and had 18 disposals inluding a couple of scrubber kicks. it was a bad game by his standards but still better than Mackay.

Douglas - lol certainly not.

 

[Doctor B]

I'm happy to give DMack another game, either he improves and demands a game, if that happens then good luck to him, or a poor performance will see him demoted to make way for an improving SANFL player.

VB out, Cheney for his role and Hartigan in to a tall matchup. I'm not a VBelieber

 

[GreyCrow]

No, you're absolutely right. There shouldn't be any opinions on here that aren't from Champion Data or someone who has actually played AFL football. What was I thinking?

Graham Cornes would be happy

 

[Mattrox]

What's been missing in this discussion is MacKay's and VB's game time......

They don't have M.Crouch's fitness excuse.

Given the TOG is this writing on the wall? Did MacKay do enough in his TOG to save himself? Not sure VB did.

 

[GreyCrow]

I just don't understand the thinking that because a player was ok or not the worst player he doesn't deserve to get dropped.

This is elite sport not a participation event! Say Sloane and Crouch were actually worse on the weekend, so what? We pick the team on who is most likely to get the job done against Port not who was best last weekend!

Lets keep this paragraph in mind

Crouch lacking conditioning or not is much more likely to get the job done so he will be picked before Mackay. What about Cameron? Much more likely to help the team than Mackay so he will be picked accordingly. If its line ball say Milera v Mackay we pick the player who will most likely help the team over the next 50-100 games and develop into a premiership player - so pick Milera.

Huh!! Do we pick the player who will get the job done this game or the next 50?

We preach Elite standards lets start having them at the selection table and pick a side that can perform to an elite level! This oh Mackay was ok he deserves another game to plod along at a mediocre level is rubbish. I'm confident Don will pull the trigger, get the real talent and high performers into the side and the proven average players out.

Haters gonna hate

 

[Bovo]

What's been missing in this discussion is MacKay's and VB's game time......

They don't have M.Crouch's fitness excuse.

Given the TOG is this writing on the wall? Did MacKay do enough in his TOG to save himself? Not sure VB did.

Perhaps. With the new rotations....it is going to take a while to work out the best balance. Fit guys like VB would normally be a blessing.....except he looked terribly slow and his decision making was far below par.

 

[Kane McGoodwin]

Seedsman did not have fewer possessions than VB or our debutants

& his meters gained was very important!

Should only get better as he gets used to his teammates.

 

[johnnypanther]

I don't think we do fit them all in. Surely only 2-3 of Knight, Cameron, Menzel, McGovern and Milera play at any one time.

Hmmm and I had 4 of them in my notional best 22 (Knight, Cameron, Menzel, Milera) as well as Hampton.

I'm intrigued. You had some of them playing up the field then, away from the forward line?

Yes I did, my best 22 (reflecting personal bias too ) was:

Laird Talia Shaw
Smith Lever Brown
Seedsman Sloane Hampton
Lynch Walker Cameron
Menzel Jenkins Betts
1R: Jacobs Thompson Douglas
I/C: BCrouch MCrouch Knight Milera

I had Knight, Milera, Cameron, Betts all rotating through the midfield and forward line too along with Smith, Seedsman, Sloane, Douglas, Laird, Shaw rotating with each other through the midfield and back line
PS: I am hoping Doedee develops quickly so that he can play half back and release Smith to the centre

 

[Thinker]

Would go with Hendo before Knight,
On Sat SANFL Hendo play well when the game was alive, while Knights play well after the game was won. And Hendo can defend better, Also some of his run and bounces were very good on sat.
Hartigan/Shaw in for Cheney unlucky yes. Reason on the Hartigan /Shaw, again Shaw play well when the game was alive and Hartigan improved the longer the game went. Most likely Hartigan.
Cameron look rusty at first but got to the fall of the ball. started to get good touches later in the game fitness did not seem to be an issue touch was.
I think no more than 2-3 changes, and it should be like for like.
Several Emergency as the SANFL games on Sunday.

Hendo played well then ran out of steam. Knight started a bit rusty and strengthened as the game went on. His tank is invaluable with current AFL rotations. He will lift when others start to drag.
Charlie started quite well then disappeared. Fitness is an issue, touch was always good. Needs at least another week.
As much as VB should be dropped, I don't think Pyke is that ballsy.

 

[Paladin]

Lets keep this paragraph in mind

Huh!! Do we pick the player who will get the job done this game or the next 50?

Haters gonna hate

Perhaps brush up on your reading comprehension. I said if its a lineball selection on who will get it done this weekend (Say Milera/Mackay) pick the player who will most likely develop into the better player (Milera)

 

[GreyCrow]

Perhaps brush up on your reading comprehension. I said if its a lineball selection on who will get it done this weekend (Say Milera/Mackay) pick the player who will most likely develop into the better player (Milera)

No. You said we need to pick the side to beat Port. Then went on to pick Milera based on his next 50 games.

 

[Paladin]

No. You said we need to pick the side to beat Port. Then went on to pick Milera based on his next 50 games.

Read it again genius. All the words, perhaps slowly.

 

[Crow Envy]

It was better than Jacobs, B,Crouch, Van Berlo, Walker, Douglas, and Lynch .......should try and watch a game unbiased ......it's like watching a non Crows game, umpires are never as bad as in a game involving your own team

You aren't seriously suggesting Mackay was better than Tex who despite 2 poor kicks was good.

How you can criticise others and make this statement?

 

[1970crow]

No. You said we need to pick the side to beat Port. Then went on to pick Milera based on his next 50 games.

You shouldn't be so eager to jump to the defense of your favourite plodder. Looking a bit silly here.