Preview R2: Changes v Port

[Godallblighty]

You don't need to be sarcastic. I wasn't.

Oops. Sorry. That's the second time I've gotten all uppity at someone after completely misconstruing their post. My apologies.

 

[GreyCrow]

You shouldn't be so eager to jump to the defense of your favourite plodder. Looking a bit silly here.

Not jumping to his defence. Just wanting to clarify whether we pick a team to beat Port or the team that will play the next 50 games?

 

[fatbarber]

You are so wrong you should be embarrassed to post it .......unless your very young ....in which case post away

Fair enough - happy to be wrong, probably just posting out of frustration and a red wine or two! Watched the Crows beat the hawks in game one to answer age! Just feels like we reward reputation more than form, is that a fairer comment?

And by the way are you aware that nearly all you posts are ripping into other posters!

 

[Jeffcrowe]

Sloane - had more disposals 14 of which were handballs, but I don't remember any that made a particular impact, I suggest there was work he did on the inside that was difficult to notice, no idea if it was decent or not. I'll call it a tie.

Seedsman - Both had 4 tackles, Mackay with more pressure acts, despite having 2 less possessions I thought Seedsman's runs withthe ball and a few long kicks were more important than Mackay's. Tie.

Brad Crocuh - yep, apart from 1 kick to Tex he was pretty uneffective, but he hasn't played AFL in 573 days.

Milera - yes, but one is a debutant, one is a near 150 gamer.



Jacobs - was well beaten by his direct opponent. Who was Mackay's?

Van berlo - yes, but I don't think he likely to remain in the side for very long.

Lynch - yep, was taken out the game by his opponent, did anyone tag Mackay?

Walker - lol no. Tex kicked 2.3 and had 18 disposals inluding a couple of scrubber kicks. it was a bad game by his standards but still better than Mackay.

Douglas - lol certainly not.

Seedsman value for his possessions well exceeded mackay's

I didn't think Brad crouch's game was half as bad as what people are making out

Lynch was poor

Brown was not at his best

VB was clearly our worst

Mackay was typical Mackay - bottom 5 but not our worst ... But no progression - not going to make us better going forward

Atkins can build from there - had his moments but can do more

Jacobs got beaten but in the same form he will be too good for Lobbe . He was playing a guy at the top of his game

Milera and McGovern were acceptable considering their debut and will be better for it

Eddie was good but he didn't play the role that suits us best

If our forward line clicks and kicks well we will kick 17+ goals in games like that

 

[Jeffcrowe]

Hendo played well then ran out of steam. Knight started a bit rusty and strengthened as the game went on. His tank is invaluable with current AFL rotations. He will lift when others start to drag.
Charlie started quite well then disappeared. Fitness is an issue, touch was always good. Needs at least another week.
As much as VB should be dropped, I don't think Pyke is that ballsy.

Knight is just the player we need this week and going forward with 90 rotations

Agree Cameron sounds like he needs another week ... But no longer than that . Hopefully high midfield minutes in sanfl to build his fitness for AFL round 3

How far away is Menzel from AFL duty ? Another month? Would like to see him dominate an SANFL game and give defensive pressure , tackles etc before a call up

 

[Jeffcrowe]

& his meters gained was very important!

Should only get better as he gets used to his teammates.

Takes the game forward and his possessions more valuable than nearly every other player out there

 

[Jeffcrowe]

No, you're absolutely right. There shouldn't be any opinions on here that aren't from Champion Data or someone who has actually played AFL football. What was I thinking?

What you need to remember is that any meaningful stats or stats that stand the test of multiple seasons that champion data supply aren't just because champion data enjoys punching numbers just for the sake of it but because clubs use these stats and coaching departments value them

If it's a shit meaningless stat then they won't bother providing it . They are a business that is there to make money and if they provide useless stats that clubs don't value then they will become defunct

 

[Thinker]

Knight is just the player we need this week and going forward with 90 rotations

Agree Cameron sounds like he needs another week ... But no longer than that . Hopefully high midfield minutes in sanfl to build his fitness for AFL round 3

How far away is Menzel from AFL duty ? Another month? Would like to see him dominate an SANFL game and give defensive pressure , tackles etc before a call up

If ability to run out a game is important,he's still a little way off. Uses ball well, but not sure he would get to contest often enough. If team defence is a focus, he's not ready to cover that sort of kms. I'm sure he's going to be great addition but don't think we need to rush him in

 

[Doctor B]

I can't understand the negativity toward Hartigan here. Talia and Lever are getting some criticism for poor games last week. In such a fast paced game being 1 of the 2 KPD against Norths 3 tall forwards with Goldstein rolling through occasionally would of been a nightmare. VB didn't give us much, surely Hartigan in for VB with Cheney going to the VB role makes our match ups common sense.

 

[Godallblighty]

What you need to remember is that any meaningful stats or stats that stand the test of multiple seasons that champion data supply aren't just because champion data enjoys punching numbers just for the sake of it but because clubs use these stats and coaching departments value them

If it's a shit meaningless stat then they won't bother providing it . They are a business that is there to make money and if they provide useless stats that clubs don't value then they will become defunct

Maybe. Maybe club's just take any metric they can get their hands on and then try to interpret them as best they can. Clearly, not all stats are created equal. You hear plenty of talk from coaches and players comparing the value of one measurement over another. And some seem to come in and out of fashion. Wonder how often we'll hear about 'ground ball' this year?

 

[Ramify]

I can't understand the negativity toward Hartigan here. Talia and Lever are getting some criticism for poor games last week. In such a fast paced game being 1 of the 2 KPD against Norths 3 tall forwards with Goldstein rolling through occasionally would of been a nightmare. VB didn't give us much, surely Hartigan in for VB with Cheney going to the VB role makes our match ups common sense.

Another problem I may have imagined with our structure last week, was that It seemed our small/mid sized defenders looked somewhat overly concerned with being third man up, or helping to pressure NOrths 3 talks, which then left their smalls/mids unaccounted for. I don't think we had enough defensive pressure upfield to slow their delivery into the forward line which at times left our whole back six looking blank faced at each other.

People siting the scoring output of NOrths big men are taking a simplistic view of the whole thing.

 

[Mr MysteryGuest]

Seedsman value for his possessions well exceeded mackay's

I didn't think Brad crouch's game was half as bad as what people are making out

Lynch was poor

Brown was not at his best

VB was clearly our worst

Mackay was typical Mackay - bottom 5 but not our worst ... But no progression - not going to make us better going forward

Atkins can build from there - had his moments but can do more

Jacobs got beaten but in the same form he will be too good for Lobbe . He was playing a guy at the top of his game

Milera and McGovern were acceptable considering their debut and will be better for it

Eddie was good but he didn't play the role that suits us best

If our forward line clicks and kicks well we will kick 17+ goals in games like that

Perhaps Brad was a victim of high expectations despite the obvious reasons why they should be lowered. But everything else I completely agree with, tell it Wayne.

 

[Tex200]

I can't understand the negativity toward Hartigan here. Talia and Lever are getting some criticism for poor games last week. In such a fast paced game being 1 of the 2 KPD against Norths 3 tall forwards with Goldstein rolling through occasionally would of been a nightmare. VB didn't give us much, surely Hartigan in for VB with Cheney going to the VB role makes our match ups common sense.

Talia was in a 1/1 with Petrie and fell over so Petrie gets a walk in goal. He also lost a crucial 1/1 on the wing to Waite which directly resulted in a goal.

Lever gave away a stupid goal that killed momentum and got North started.

Stuff I wouldn't see from an U/7.

 

[Jeffcrowe]

Perhaps Brad was a victim of high expectations despite the obvious reasons why they should be lowered. But everything else I completely agree with, tell it Wayne.

He was definitely the victim of high expectations

Despite the club saying not one player can replace Dangerfield there are plenty of people on big footy expecting him to do just that

I'm just happy if he plays more than 15 games and continues to improve

20 possies and 9 tackles is a handy start and there will be less errors and more impact as weeks pass and he gets continuity

 

[GrommoT]

so if VB goes out who comes in?

How tall is Inanimate Carbon Rod?

 

[NikkiNoo]

How far away is Menzel from AFL duty ? Another month? Would like to see him dominate an SANFL game and give defensive pressure , tackles etc before a call up

Watch the SANFL highlights video and Menzel is doing exactly that. His defensive pressure was top notch.

 

[GreyCrow]

He was definitely the victim of high expectations

Despite the club saying not one player can replace Dangerfield there are plenty of people on big footy expecting him to do just that

I'm just happy if he plays more than 15 games and continues to improve

20 possies and 9 tackles is a handy start and there will be less errors and more impact as weeks pass and he gets continuity

I agree with all of it . On the bolded bit I think Brad will be susceptible to a soft tissue injury. I think if he gets to 15 games the club will be happy and we , as fans, should be happy. Any more is a bonus

 

[Ramify]

He was definitely the victim of high expectations

Despite the club saying not one player can replace Dangerfield there are plenty of people on big footy expecting him to do just that

I'm just happy if he plays more than 15 games and continues to improve

20 possies and 9 tackles is a handy start and there will be less errors and more impact as weeks pass and he gets continuity

He will never replace Danger, he just doesn't have the physiology to do so.

More realistic is he becomes the next GAJ, and I will accept nothing else by this time next year.

 

[Tex200]

He was definitely the victim of high expectations

Despite the club saying not one player can replace Dangerfield there are plenty of people on big footy expecting him to do just that

I'm just happy if he plays more than 15 games and continues to improve

20 possies and 9 tackles is a handy start and there will be less errors and more impact as weeks pass and he gets continuity

What he needs to do is pull his head in and pay more than lip service to elite standards.

Being a bit slow and getting caught with the ball is to be expected, getting an I50 Mark at a crucial time but being a goose and getting it reversed is something he could control and didn't.

Playing NAB3 and getting the cobwebs out then instead of having to use R1 was also within his control.

Needs a bit more team and a bit less Brad

 

[Doctor B]

Perhaps Brad was a victim of high expectations despite the obvious reasons why they should be lowered. But everything else I completely agree with, tell it Wayne.

As talented as Brad is, the expectations of his abilities are unrealistic, we have to temper them back as obviously last weeks game was his first after missing a whole season to injury and that last weeks game is only his 26th AFL game. He wont be walking into the side and instantly become the Danger replacement.

 

[Ramify]

What he needs to do is pull his head in and pay more than lip service to elite standards.

Being a bit slow and getting caught with the ball is to be expected, getting an I50 Mark at a crucial time but being a goose and getting it reversed is something he could control and didn't.

Playing NAB3 and getting the cobwebs out then instead of having to use R1 was also within his control.

Needs a bit more team and a bit less Brad

Pete, the Crouches,Lever and to some extent young Cameron are just fiery young bucks.
They all have qualities we have lacked for a very long time. So they make a boo-boo or two as they work out where they stand and what they can get away with, let it go, their fire is something that can't be taught but that is an essential element to any premiership side.
We've had a very soft list for far too long, and these lads will breath a bit of hardness/arrogance into our young playing group which will only help in the long run I promise.
Until then, just blame everything on Dmack and VB like the rest of us do.

 

[Schulzycrow]

How tall is Inanimate Carbon Rod?

Tall enough..

 

[Jeffcrowe]

Watch the SANFL highlights video and Menzel is doing exactly that. His defensive pressure was top notch.

He's in when he can do it for 4 quarters . Will help us close out games with his skill level when others can't

 

[Jeffcrowe]

What he needs to do is pull his head in and pay more than lip service to elite standards.

Being a bit slow and getting caught with the ball is to be expected, getting an I50 Mark at a crucial time but being a goose and getting it reversed is something he could control and didn't.

Playing NAB3 and getting the cobwebs out then instead of having to use R1 was also within his control.

Needs a bit more team and a bit less Brad

Agree with this but also wouldn't want to take that fire out of him completely

We need some bad guys , but he needs to channel it in the right way and be smarter

Roos definitely targeted lynch and betts with physical stuff and it worked to some degree

Would like us a little bit of targeted nastiness and to fly the flag a bit more when our players are targeted

As long as team comes first and that's where you have a good point

 

[NikkiNoo]

He's in when he can do it for 4 quarters . Will help us close out games with his skill level when others can't

Was doing it for 4 quarters in the SANFL, but we know that there is a huge step up in speed etc from SANFL to AFL.