Preview R2: Changes v Port

[Red mist]

Would suit Pyke's web type defence a hell of a lot better than a pure 1v1 defender like Hartigan would that's for sure. Only thing is, do we become too tall with all of Tex, JJ, Lynch, Gov, Shaw, Lever, Talia all in the one side?

Like I said, I was very shocked we didn't drop Gov or Lynch into the backline to help stem the flow when North got on top... Would have thought that would have been a very viable option

Prob not too tall as there's still mobility. As far as the backline help goes, the players have to have some smarts to sum up the game and make on field calls as well. I think the great sides like Hawthorn do some tinkering with match ups on field as well guided by good bloke and of course the fine tuning comes from the coaches box. The players do have some responsibility I think.

 

[azza77]

I would agree with all of that that but just flashed in and out of the game too much. I think once he gives us 4 quarters he'll be straight into the seniors.

But if he's playing a small forward though thats most likely what you're going to get from him. He's an opportunist, and when he gets those opportunities, even if its only a few, he doesn't waste them.

Unless he's playing a serious amount of midfield minutes, I don't think you're really ever going to see a full on 4 quarter performance from Menz until he's got another full PS under his belt and played midfield throughout the NAB.

 

[Drugs Are Bad Mackay?]

Anyone got an inside word? Surely someone has some goss.

I'll take anything - even if it's wrong

 

[dylan123]

I hope we go with the extra tall in defense but suspect that Knight might be the only inclusion.

As do I, Westhoff is one that's usually done very well against Talia in the past and I feel another tall will help being able to rotate between forwards should any of our key defenders struggle against their direct match up.

Hartigan coming in for Van Berlo would be my preferred move as it gives us an extra tall and allows us to use Cheney on someone like Gray whilst keeping Brown on Wingard and freeing up Laird a little more to do his thing offensively/help out defensively.

Would love to see Knight come in for Mackay (who I didn't think was bad on the weekend but it's really as much as we'll ever get from Mackay and it isn't really irreplaceable and there's every chance someone could do just as much/if not more if given the chance) but I'd be more than happy if we could just get one of Van Berlo/Mackay out of the team now (been wanting that for years).

Think McGovern's last quarter really helped him and should see him remain in the side. Milera was pretty quiet but that's to be expected in the role he's playing, give him another chance to bounce back, only needs a few more touches for it to hurt the opposition with how he uses it.

Hopefully some of our star players show up this week as they were all pretty shit against North, some of the missed goals was infuriating, but something we've come used to seeing as Adelaide supporters...


Probably been mentioned in one of the other 10 threads that have 400+ posts in the past few days but Tex's kicking is just so average these days. Season before he did his knee he was fantastic around goal but now (as I mentioned in the pre season as well as something I hoped for him to have improved) he's so very hit and miss. Does so many grubber field kicks where he basically just kicks a mongrel into the ground and his set shots can be pretty unpredictable now. Would love to know what happened to that because he has such a nice action so I'd be interested in knowing where it's all going wrong.

 

[1990crow]

Anyone got an inside word? Surely someone has some goss.

I'll take anything - even if it's wrong

I'm hearing Hammer Hammy Hartlett may have strained a Hammy.

 

[earlsta]

If VB gets picked I'm done.
Mackay deserves another game, thought his intent at the contests was pretty damn good (live), knight and Hartigan straight back in.
VB and someone else to make way. God knows who, our depth is pretty damn good now.

 

[azza77]

Anyone got an inside word? Surely someone has some goss.

I'll take anything - even if it's wrong

Tim McIntyre is making a surprise return to AFL football and is taking Matt Jaensch's spot on the main list.

He's in for Eddie Betts to jag a few sausage rolls in the showdown this week.

 

[40porpoise]

As do I, Westhoff is one that's usually done very well against Talia in the past and I feel another tall will help being able to rotate between forwards should any of our key defenders struggle against their direct match up.

Hartigan coming in for Van Berlo would be my preferred move as it gives us an extra tall and allows us to use Cheney on someone like Gray whilst keeping Brown on Wingard and freeing up Laird a little more to do his thing offensively/help out defensively.

Would love to see Knight come in for Mackay (who I didn't think was bad on the weekend but it's really as much as we'll ever get from Mackay and it isn't really irreplaceable and there's every chance someone could do just as much/if not more if given the chance) but I'd be more than happy if we could just get one of Van Berlo/Mackay out of the team now (been wanting that for years).

Think McGovern's last quarter really helped him and should see him remain in the side. Milera was pretty quiet but that's to be expected in the role he's playing, give him another chance to bounce back, only needs a few more touches for it to hurt the opposition with how he uses it.

Hopefully some of our star players show up this week as they were all pretty shit against North, some of the missed goals was infuriating, but something we've come used to seeing as Adelaide supporters...


Probably been mentioned in one of the other 10 threads that have 400+ posts in the past few days but Tex's kicking is just so average these days. Season before he did his knee he was fantastic around goal but now (as I mentioned in the pre season as well as something I hoped for him to have improved) he's so very hit and miss. Does so many grubber field kicks where he basically just kicks a mongrel into the ground and his set shots can be pretty unpredictable now. Would love to know what happened to that because he has such a nice action so I'd be interested in knowing where it's all going wrong.

Just a bad game. Remember the semi final v Bulldogs? His field kicking and goal kicking won us the game.

 

[DJ75]

That's my belief. 1 change or unchanged with Knight potentially coming in.

DJ75 - any info ?

Sorry no - the club is harder getting good info from than it is to get blood from a stone. Struggling.

 

[GameofSloanes]

As do I, Westhoff is one that's usually done very well against Talia in the past and I feel another tall will help being able to rotate between forwards should any of our key defenders struggle against their direct match up.

Hartigan coming in for Van Berlo would be my preferred move as it gives us an extra tall and allows us to use Cheney on someone like Gray whilst keeping Brown on Wingard and freeing up Laird a little more to do his thing offensively/help out defensively.

Would love to see Knight come in for Mackay (who I didn't think was bad on the weekend but it's really as much as we'll ever get from Mackay and it isn't really irreplaceable and there's every chance someone could do just as much/if not more if given the chance) but I'd be more than happy if we could just get one of Van Berlo/Mackay out of the team now (been wanting that for years).

Think McGovern's last quarter really helped him and should see him remain in the side. Milera was pretty quiet but that's to be expected in the role he's playing, give him another chance to bounce back, only needs a few more touches for it to hurt the opposition with how he uses it.

Hopefully some of our star players show up this week as they were all pretty shit against North, some of the missed goals was infuriating, but something we've come used to seeing as Adelaide supporters...


Probably been mentioned in one of the other 10 threads that have 400+ posts in the past few days but Tex's kicking is just so average these days. Season before he did his knee he was fantastic around goal but now (as I mentioned in the pre season as well as something I hoped for him to have improved) he's so very hit and miss. Does so many grubber field kicks where he basically just kicks a mongrel into the ground and his set shots can be pretty unpredictable now. Would love to know what happened to that because he has such a nice action so I'd be interested in knowing where it's all going wrong.

If this happens we are basically conceding. Anyone remember the first showdown last year? Basically the same. Hartigan just has to be in, I would do it for VB with cheney doing VB's role. Otherwise i can see VB lining up on Gray or something equally horrific....

 

[Tex200]

Ok - I've posted this about 200 times - the first showdown last year we played 1 x KPD, 1 only - uno, ein. D Talia.

It was a disaster!

No one is suggesting we play 1 KPD again.

We will have a minimum of 2. The issue is whether we have 3. Whichever way you lean thisll is not about the showdown last year where we had only 1.

 

[Red mist]

Ok - I've posted this about 200 times - the first showdown last year we played 1 x KPD, 1 only - uno, ein. D Talia.

It was a disaster!

No one is suggesting we play 1 KPD again.

We will have a minimum of 2. The issue is whether we have 3. Whichever way you lean thisll is not about the showdown last year where we had only 1.

Ok. Do you think Hartigan will play?

 

[NikkiNoo]

I reckon you could make a case for any of the following:

Beech - rookie, so nope needs to get upgraded. Worked into the game strongly in the second half, but was quietish on the wing initially
Knight - depends on if they wanted a full sanfl quality game or not. If yes, then no as he was like Beech.
Hartigan - played well and was a lot more offensive in terms of judging when to leave his own man.
Otten - played nice and consistent, but would only come in for Cheney possibly.
Cameron - Pressure - yes, Skills and ability to show something for the full game - no
Ellis-Yolmen - Good without being outstanding, which he should have been (put Grigg in this basket too)
Lyons - no idea and we didn't play him at any level last week (Brock Castree and Spencely say thanks about that)
Menzel - very good defensive pressure. Made the most of his opportunities, passing in traffic and vision is sublime. Does he have the tank that we can 'carry' in an AFL game. Not yet, but when he does, look out!
Shaw - good solid game, nice long kicks out of defence and hasn't lost that punch
Henderson - Good game with some great long, and low passes into the forward line in the first half that were great. Second half, tired a bit and the high loopy tregenzaesque kicks were back.

 

[Tex200]

Ok. Do you think Hartigan will play?

I'd be happy for Hartigan to play if you think Lever needs replacing.

So for me it's either;

Talia, Lever, Cheney
Talia, Hartigan, Cheney

I just don't think we need Talia, Hartigan, Lever and Cheney. This wasn't the reason we lost on Saturday.

Just my view and selectors may well disagree

 

[Red mist]

I'd be happy for Hartigan to play if you think Lever needs replacing.

So for me it's either;

Talia, Lever, Cheney
Talia, Hartigan, Cheney

I just don't think we need Talia, Hartigan, Lever and Cheney. This wasn't the reason we lost on Saturday.

Just my view and selectors may well disagree

Well you've mentioned it a lot that the kpd didn't have factor in our loss and I tend to agree. Is Lever being utilised correctly?

 

[Tex200]

Well you've mentioned it a lot that the kpd didn't have factor in our loss and I tend to agree. Is Lever being utilised correctly?

Yeah I think so, I was happy with the defensive structure Sat and thought he was fine other than his brain snap.

He wasn't ready for that role last year, hence he was ushered in with Hartigan helping out. Club seems to have determined he can now take KPD responsibility which has pushed Harto out.

I've nothing against Harto BTW

 

[Red mist]

Yeah I think so, I was happy with the defensive structure Sat and thought he was fine other than his brain snap.

He wasn't ready for that role last year, hence he was ushered in with Hartigan helping out. Club seems to have determined he can now take KPD responsibility which has pushed Harto out.

I've nothing against Harto BTW

Wasn't thinking you had anything against Hartigan at all. It's just the structure against their forward line. If Talia needs some assistance only Hartigan could do it. I see this encounter more like horses for courses.

 

[Tex200]

Wasn't thinking you had anything against Hartigan at all. It's just the structure against their forward line. If Talia needs some assistance only Hartigan could do it. I see this encounter more like horses for courses.

But how is Ports set up any different to Norths.

Dixon Petrie
Shultz Brown
Westhoff Waite

If Talia is getting proper support any one of a number of players should be 3rd up.

I can think of only once when any of those North players took a genuine pack park when we were competing properly - Petrie took one.

 

[Stiffy_18]

Ok - I've posted this about 200 times - the first showdown last year we played 1 x KPD, 1 only - uno, ein. D Talia.

It was a disaster!

No one is suggesting we play 1 KPD again.

We will have a minimum of 2. The issue is whether we have 3. Whichever way you lean thisll is not about the showdown last year where we had only 1.

The problem now is that they have Dixon who I happen to rate highly so Talia will need to go to him (and he is one player he has struggled with a bit in the past).

This leaves Lever and Cheney to match up on Shultz and Westhoff. Whichever way you slice that, we are undersized in one of those match ups. This is why I think Shaw might be half a chance here. He is mobile enough to play tall and medium.

How did we go against GWS and their tall timber last year?

While we were not too far off winning the game last week against North, another tall defender would have been handy to off-set the marking power of North's tall forward inside their forward 50 which did hurt us last week.

 

[Tex200]

The problem now is that they have Dixon who I happen to rate highly so Talia will need to go to him (and he is one player he has struggled with a bit in the past).

This leaves Lever and Cheney to match up on Shultz and Westhoff. Whichever way you slice that, we are undersized in one of those match ups. This is why I think Shaw might be half a chance here. He is mobile enough to play tall and medium.

How did we go against GWS and their tall timber last year?

While we were not too far off winning the game last week against North, another tall defender would have been handy to off-set the marking power of North's tall forward inside their forward 50 which did hurt us last week.

But the tall marking power didn't hurt us last week. Take out the 50m pens and their talls got 5 goals between 3 of them, and 2 of those were from broken play.

 

[Red mist]

But how is Ports set up any different to Norths.

Dixon Petrie
Shultz Brown
Westhoff Waite

If Talia is getting proper support any one of a number of players should be 3rd up.

I can think of only once when any of those North players took a genuine pack park when we were competing properly - Petrie took one.

Guess tonight we know if Pyke has had to make an immediate restructuring to his system and if we have the depth.

 

[Tex200]

Guess tonight we know if Pyke has had to make an immediate restructuring to his system and if we have the depth.

We def have the depth - if he changes and wants to go 3 talls, Hartigan can slot straight in.

 

[Samcro24]

Anyone got an inside word? Surely someone has some goss.

I'll take anything - even if it's wrong

Tex out, vb acting captain.

 

[Jack is Back]

Changes in Defence
Our problem last Saturday was more process than personnel. We have a long, long way to go before the Crow Claw is effective. Both teams played a 6/6/6 formation for most of the game (we briefly went with a seventh defender after Harvey kicked his third) so we didn't have the comfort of an extra man in defence for most of the game.
1) Our one-on one stuff was poor. Brodie Smith conceded 4 goals in one-on-one contests (Waite x 2, Higgins and Garner).
2) On a number of occasions we found small guys in marking contests against big guys (e.g. Ben Brown on Laird).
3) We tried to mark when we should have punched (e.g. Seedsman v Petrie, Brodie Smith v everyone) and vice versa. How many intercept marks did we take?
4) In F50 stoppages we were guarding space instead of manning up on the dangerous small forwards (e.g. Harvey x 2).
Brodie Smith was our worst "defender" but provided good rebound. Talia, Brown and vB seemed uncertain about when to go one-on-one and when to zone off.
IMHO only Lever and Cheney seemed to fully embrace team defence but were far from perfect.
After playing well at the end of last season, Hartigan seemed to lack confidence in the NAB cup, I suspect he is struggling with his role in in the Claw.
Out - van Berlo, In - Shaw (but we are very vulnerable to the Poort Poower forwards whoever is in the back six)

Changes in the Midfield
Our main inside mids were Thommo, Crouch x 2, Sloane, Douglas (second half) were quite good (we slightly edged out the Roos in clearances/stoppages).
Our outside mids, Seedsman,11 disposals, Atkins, 18 disposals, and Mackay, 13 disposals, didn't do enough.
I would prefer to see Sloaney and Dougie spend more time on the wings and bring in CEY but that won't happen.
Out - Mackay, In - Henderson

Changes up Forward
Tex and Eddie, kick straight. Lynchy, HTFU. JJ . Milera and McGov played mostly as high half forwards and Dougie also spent a lot of time forward in the first half. We need to increase our run so if fit, Riley Knight must come in. It hurts me to say this but I see Shooter missing out. The other question is Charlie or Wayne? I would be happy to see Wayne retain his place (and spend more time on the wing) but I will not complain if Charlie get's the call.
Out - McGovern, In - Knight.

So based on past seasons; Out - McGovern In - Henderson

 

[Red mist]

We def have the depth - if he changes and wants to go 3 talls, Hartigan can slot straight in.

Do we need a change in the back rotation? and in the middle as I see only 2 max. Probably one. VB for someone. A Ballsy coach would make 3 or 4.